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post #2041 of 4435
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Originally Posted by rs691919 View Post

The soap opera effect really bugs me...I just figured out how to get rid of it on the Sharp LED I just bought for the living room. But if the motion correction is not needed, that is reassuring.

I'll throw my 2 pennies in as well - coming from a 50" panny plasma, I have seen no issues with motion during sports, with or without CMD. I am itching to try out some hockey on it but have not had a chance yet (still I'm temp setup mode while I build the screen frame).

Also no issues on 24p blurays.

I do find myself flipping on CMD 3 sometimes while watching live HDTV sports, though that's probably so I feel satisfied in making out every face in the crowd during a game . I don't particularly like it when watching regular tv content (mainly because the rs45 looks fine to me without it engaged) but it is not the end of the world if I leave it on.

Rukus
post #2042 of 4435
I never use CMD in movies, it's not worth it.
3D can be cool if they do it right, they just never do.

I really thought the 3d space scenes in Tahita Ultimate Wave was really neat, I'd like to see some really highly dimensional stuff like this in a movie. Problem is after 20 minutes of watching 3D in a movie, I get sick of it and want to go back to 2D. The 3D waves were a mixed bag, the dimensionality of it was not consistent.

The Smurfs 3D is on Vudu for $6, I'm sure a crappy movie but in the preview it did have some nice 3d effects at times.
post #2043 of 4435
I am really enjoying my RS45 so far. Using it mostly for 2D.

One issue I am going to need to sort out for 3D is I have an IR extender mounted above my screen and it seems that in 3D mode the constant IR keeps the extender from working my Oppo blue ray player.

Anyone with front mounted IR extenders find a way to aim the transponder to work the glasses without conflicting?

Will the constant IR damage the IR repeater? I may just leave it for now as I don't watch much 3D yet.
post #2044 of 4435
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Originally Posted by ncsufan View Post

I am really enjoying my RS45 so far. Using it mostly for 2D.

One issue I am going to need to sort out for 3D is I have an IR extender mounted above my screen and it seems that in 3D mode the constant IR keeps the extender from working my Oppo blue ray player.

Anyone with front mounted IR extenders find a way to aim the transponder to work the glasses without conflicting?

Will the constant IR damage the IR repeater? I may just leave it for now as I don't watch much 3D yet.

I have a friend with an RS40 with a similar problem. The best we have done so far is to follow a recommendation for long cables on Xantech's troubleshooting page. They recommend putting a 470ohm resistor on the distribution block end of your receiver cable between signal and ground - if you have a different brand, check their troubleshooting guide. When we did this, 95% of his oppo remote problems went away. He still can't push buttons too quickly in 3d mode, but it works now...only figured this out a few days ago so I can't speak to long term testing of it yet.

As for long term damage, I do not expect any problems. Ensure your power bricks for the IR system are within spec and if you are concerned, keep an eye to make sure components are not running hotter at the end of a 3d movie than at the end of a 2d move.

Xantech troubleshooting guide - see top of page 5: http://www.xantech.com/files/app_adv.../11_a_aa03.pdf
post #2045 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Does text look out of focus?

The way a movie looks can be different issues, unless you are talking really out of focus.

The text is fuzzy in all movies. It has like a streak of light that runs up and down. I actually took down the RS45 and put the HD250 back in place and it doesn't display any of those problems. Here are some pics but I assure you that it looks worse then what is showing in this picture. Heck, maybe this is common.
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post #2046 of 4435
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Here's the difference between my 46" sharp lcd and my x30 on a 116" firehawk. The black level and contrast are great to say the least!
Sharpness and convergens is spot on.
Used to own a panasonic ae4000 and it's a pretty big difference. Not as big as the lcd and jvc, but almost.
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post #2047 of 4435
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Originally Posted by timgrady View Post

Is there any consensus on the best 3D glasses and emitter combo for the RS45? I've been debating the MonsterVision 3D RF glasses and transmitter (maybe with the Optoma equivalent for additional glasses), but the reviews seem mixed. The new JVC glasses (PKAG2BP) look nice, but the $200 each price isn't that nice. I'm using a SeymourAV screen that won't retain any polarization, so that won't be an issue.

Tim

I use mv3d, and like you, I have the Seymour screen as well. I did not have the new jvc glasses to compare, but it is ok for me using mv3d. Maybe the jvc is brighter, but my screen size is 115 diagonal so it is not that big and I can live with it. I do not have that many 3d movies to justify the high cost of jvc glasses, and there are also users mentioning that the new glasses is narrower, so for me that have prescription glasses, it is a no no.
post #2048 of 4435
No one answered this question when I posted before...

I have the JVC emitter on top of the projector. The JVC sits above the heads of the second row seating. People in this row cannot enjoy 3D. The glasses go in and out of sync. First row is fine. Where should I put the emitter so both rows of seats can enjoy?
post #2049 of 4435
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Originally Posted by paradigm View Post

No one answered this question when I posted before...

I have the JVC emitter on top of the projector. The JVC sits above the heads of the second row seating. People in this row cannot enjoy 3D. The glasses go in and out of sync. First row is fine. Where should I put the emitter so both rows of seats can enjoy?

I have a similar setup and my second row viewers experience no problems. My emitter is placed toward the front of the projector.
post #2050 of 4435
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Originally Posted by jason4vu View Post

I have a similar setup and my second row viewers experience no problems. My emitter is placed toward the front of the projector.

I dunno then.. doesn't work for me thats all i know.
post #2051 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Karamasha View Post

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Here's the difference between my 46" sharp lcd and my x30 on a 116" firehawk. The black level and contrast are great to say the least!
Sharpness and convergens is spot on.
Used to own a panasonic ae4000 and it's a pretty big difference. Not as big as the lcd and jvc, but almost.

That's an amazing comparison pic!
post #2052 of 4435
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Originally Posted by grouper8 View Post


The text is fuzzy in all movies. It has like a streak of light that runs up and down. I actually took down the RS45 and put the HD250 back in place and it doesn't display any of those problems. Here are some pics but I assure you that it looks worse then what is showing in this picture. Heck, maybe this is common.

I have an Rs55 i just got last week to play with. It too has those streaking lines.

I think I'm going to hang it in my master bed and replace my RS1. My RS1 definitely doesn't have those streaking lines nor does any of my more expensive 3 chip DLPs. Almost seems like cheap lens but I find it interesting my RS1 doesn't have that issue.
post #2053 of 4435
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Originally Posted by paradigm View Post

No one answered this question when I posted before...

I have the JVC emitter on top of the projector. The JVC sits above the heads of the second row seating. People in this row cannot enjoy 3D. The glasses go in and out of sync. First row is fine. Where should I put the emitter so both rows of seats can enjoy?

Could be a distance thing. Move the emitter closer. Make sure you're bouncing the signal off the screen - and roughly, at the right angle so that the signal can pass over the seats. If too acute of angle, the bulk of the signal ends up in the ceiling or floor.
post #2054 of 4435
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Originally Posted by rs691919 View Post

Arrgh, too many choices...it's driving me crazy. I am looking into my first projector for a dedicated theater room. The set up is described in this thread.

I had a Sony SXRD television for five years, and loved the picture but I want to keep an open mind regarding the projector and really like the specs of the RS45. Based on coderguy's calculator, it would appear to be a bit brighter than the HW30, which is a major plus given my planned setup.

But I do watch a ton of sports -- particularly football and basketball and soccer. My Sony SXRD television handled this fabulously...I have read the "concerns" about the RS45's motion capabilities and also that they may be overblown...thoughts?

Not sure what SXRD TV you have but I can say that I have the 60XBR1 still and I can tell you that either the Sony HW30 or the RS45 will knock the socks off of any SXRD TV that Sony made. The RS45s motion without CMD engaged is noticeably better than my old JVC RS2. Any issues with motion will likely be more noticeable on a projector over any TV though simply because of screen size. When people talk about motion being great on the Sony's I think it's partially because they have FI engaged and because it doesn't have the SOA effect as much in their FI.

For the record in case you didn't know you can get new Sony TV at a discounted price from your SXRD because of the class action lawsuit. Others have pushed for different models and were able to get upper end TVs. I got the discounted TV months ago as well but if I thought about it I would have tried my shot at seeing what kind of discount was possible with one of their projectors instead (it'd be worth a shot!).
post #2055 of 4435
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Originally Posted by grouper8 View Post

The text is fuzzy in all movies. It has like a streak of light that runs up and down. I actually took down the RS45 and put the HD250 back in place and it doesn't display any of those problems. Here are some pics but I assure you that it looks worse then what is showing in this picture. Heck, maybe this is common.

I cannot speak to your individual unit, but on my unit the streaky white lines are not visible even from a short distance from the screen (you have to be really close to see it).

I see no image degradation from the streaky lines, the JVC looks just as sharp on text in movies or even smaller text for HTPC as many DLP's look (and I've split screen a DLP). The w6000 would likely appear a bit sharper in text, but the HD250 should not be sharper unless the convergence is better on it, or something else is going on.

So I do not know if you are seeing something differently than the rest of us or if your unit is worse, but I also have other projectors here to compare and I can absolutely say the white streaky lines on mine have no effect to the image unless I stick my nose to the screen.
post #2056 of 4435
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Originally Posted by ccool96 View Post

I have an Rs55 i just got last week to play with. It too has those streaking lines.

I think I'm going to hang it in my master bed and replace my RS1. My RS1 definitely doesn't have those streaking lines nor does any of my more expensive 3 chip DLPs. Almost seems like cheap lens but I find it interesting my RS1 doesn't have that issue.

How do you compare the picture between the 45 and RS1? I really believe that the problems I'm having is affecting the picture quality. I'm just not seeing the sharpness and great picture like others are on here.
post #2057 of 4435
I just went from a RS-1 to a RS-45. I had a VideoEq with the RS-1 to tame the colors. I am most impressed with the 45. The brightness and sharpness increases are very noticeable. The otb colors are close enough for right now that I feel no need to go in and calibrate. Maybe, after more logged viewing hours I will look into calibrating. The 45 is much quieter. Both sat right above my head, I could hear the RS-1 but not the 45. The increase in contrast is very noteworth also. The blacklevel is much deeper with the whites being brighter. The RS-1 still is a great projector but the 45 is a definite step above for just a little more than the RS-1 was several years ago.
post #2058 of 4435
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Originally Posted by timgrady View Post

Is there any consensus on the best 3D glasses and emitter combo for the RS45? I've been debating the MonsterVision 3D RF glasses and transmitter (maybe with the Optoma equivalent for additional glasses), but the reviews seem mixed. The new JVC glasses (PKAG2BP) look nice, but the $200 each price isn't that nice. I'm using a SeymourAV screen that won't retain any polarization, so that won't be an issue.

Tim

Call AVS, their prices for glasses are less than the price you quoted.
post #2059 of 4435
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Originally Posted by timgrady View Post

Is there any consensus on the best 3D glasses and emitter combo for the RS45? I've been debating the MonsterVision 3D RF glasses and transmitter (maybe with the Optoma equivalent for additional glasses), but the reviews seem mixed. The new JVC glasses (PKAG2BP) look nice, but the $200 each price isn't that nice. I'm using a SeymourAV screen that won't retain any polarization, so that won't be an issue.

Tim

I've tried both the XpanD 103 (thought to be almost identical to the first generation JVC glasses -- excepting polarization) and the new generation JVC glasses with my RS45 and Seymour screen. I did not notice a visual difference between them. The newer model is smaller, lighter, and, IMO, more comfortable. The frames are more noticeable, but that didn't bother me. The XpanD 103's are quite a bit cheaper.
post #2060 of 4435
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Originally Posted by xb1032 View Post

Not sure what SXRD TV you have but I can say that I have the 60XBR1 still and I can tell you that either the Sony HW30 or the RS45 will knock the socks off of any SXRD TV that Sony made. The RS45s motion without CMD engaged is noticeably better than my old JVC RS2. Any issues with motion will likely be more noticeable on a projector over any TV though simply because of screen size. When people talk about motion being great on the Sony's I think it's partially because they have FI engaged and because it doesn't have the SOA effect as much in their FI.

For the record in case you didn't know you can get new Sony TV at a discounted price from your SXRD because of the class action lawsuit. Others have pushed for different models and were able to get upper end TVs. I got the discounted TV months ago as well but if I thought about it I would have tried my shot at seeing what kind of discount was possible with one of their projectors instead (it'd be worth a shot!).

Hmmm interesting. I got the tv fixed for free with the "green glob" mess back in 2007..wasn't aware of the potential discount -how does one try to claim that now?
post #2061 of 4435
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Originally Posted by paradigm View Post

I dunno then.. doesn't work for me thats all i know.

Try puting the emitter above or below your screen.
post #2062 of 4435
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Originally Posted by rs691919 View Post

Hmmm interesting. I got the tv fixed for free with the "green glob" mess back in 2007..wasn't aware of the potential discount -how does one try to claim that now?

E-mail sonylistens@am.sony.com. See the details in this owner's thread for experiences and more detailed info:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...84936&page=792

You basically e-mail them with your problem. For me the overall tint of the screen was blue. It wasn't really that noticeable but on an all black screen there was a blue-tint which was slightly noticeable with room lighting but clearly visible in a darkened room. I was worried that this wouldn't show up in the pic but it was much more prevalent in the pic than in person. They will basically e-mail you back for information about your television and you will be required to take a picture of your television with an 8.5x11 sheet of paper with the event number taped to the TV and then you will have to send it in with the serial number off the back of your TV. Before doing so Sony will speak with you and give you two options to purchase a replacement. For me I had a 60XBR1 and they offered a 46" LCD for free or the 55" model for $200. Last year the 55" model was free but I wasn't aware of the offer. If you look though that thread others pushed back and were offered upper and newer TVs (but at a higher cost). If you might be interested in the HW30 I would try your luck to see what or IF they give you an offer. Doesn't hurt to try. In any event my flawed SXRD is working but I purchased the 55EX500 for $212 with tax and sold it locally new in the box unopened for $950. That money will go towards another TV later but for now the SXRD as a second TV will do.

My friend just did this as well and got his grandparents a new Sony TV also for the same price.
post #2063 of 4435
Anyone on the RS45 preorder list that has not decided to go through with the purchase?

If so, would they be willing to relinquish their spot to me?

You can PM if you wish.

Thanks!


...Glenn : )
post #2064 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Glenn Baumann View Post

Anyone on the RS45 preorder list that has not decided to go through with the purchase?

If so, would they be willing to relinquish their spot to me?

You can PM if you wish.

Thanks!


...Glenn : )

Those spots went to the guys on the waiting list.
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post #2065 of 4435
Will LG 3d glasses work with the 45?

Edit: Nevermind.......looks like these are passive glasses.
post #2066 of 4435
Came back to comment on something... according to this thread the JVC RS45 has a lag of 80ms. Well damn, I ran out of options. Are there no modern projectors out there that will provide deep black levels with less than 50ms lag?!
post #2067 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

I cannot speak to your individual unit, but on my unit the streaky white lines are not visible even from a short distance from the screen (you have to be really close to see it).

I see no image degradation from the streaky lines, the JVC looks just as sharp on text in movies or even smaller text for HTPC as many DLP's look (and I've split screen a DLP). The w6000 would likely appear a bit sharper in text, but the HD250 should not be sharper unless the convergence is better on it, or something else is going on.

So I do not know if you are seeing something differently than the rest of us or if your unit is worse, but I also have other projectors here to compare and I can absolutely say the white streaky lines on mine have no effect to the image unless I stick my nose to the screen.

the white streaks for light text on black background are visible on mine, even from seating position. it's not terrible but still annoys me. im not sure if this has to do with the amount of lens shift being used. I am crossing my fingers that once i get the PJ into final position (it's temp mounted now) the streaks will go away from that far off the screen. I'm about 15 hours in, so too late to return inside the 4hour window...
post #2068 of 4435
Wow, sorry to hear that guys, I really am.
I guess I am lucky in that they are definitely not visible from seating position,
I will try to spot them on varying content but I am fairly sure.
post #2069 of 4435
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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

Came back to comment on something... according to this thread the JVC RS45 has a lag of 80ms. Well damn, I ran out of options. Are there no modern projectors out there that will provide deep black levels with less than 50ms lag?!

With 3D, the Panny 7000 has the best blacks with the least lag, but even then they are not great.

This is why I recommend a cheap DLP for gaming.
post #2070 of 4435
Thanks for the info. Actually, Id be happy with a non-3D projector, as long as the 2D image for movies is great, with deep blacks, and less than 50ms lag with all the crap turned off (FI etc). Hunting for older models now LOL!

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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

With 3D, the Panny 7000 has the best blacks but even then they are not great.

This is why I recommend a cheap DLP for gaming. I see no issues gaming on my 1080p Dark Chip 3, Viewsonic that I picked up for (drum roll), $465 refurbished. 15-20ms LAG time, 1500 lumens best mode, good OOTB color after lamp wears in, 1080p resolution, perfect motion except in some pans but doesn't affect gaming at all that I have seen, just as sharp or really close to the RS-45 depending on what tests you go by. Very punchy image, excellent uniformity on the screen, VERY buggy menu system, but overall unbelievable for $465.

1500 Lumens Best Mode, good OOTB color after 100+ hours on the lamp (red push fades drastically), I'd say the color on the Viewsonic at 400 hours is almost as good as the JVC, the Viewsonic pushes red a tiny bit still in dark scenes but has no push in MID IRE's like the JVC does (JVC pushes a slight yellow, but I haven't fully calibrated it yet)...

Sorry, I wish I had bought the entire stock out of those refurbs and could have got you guys on the deal, but they are all gone now and have been for a while.
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