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post #211 of 4435
I also just spoke to Mike and he told me that everyone on the pre-order list will be getting calls in a few days. The bulk of the units should arrive soon I was told. Next week should be interesting.
post #212 of 4435
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Originally Posted by space2001 View Post

The main thing that I see, JVC made claims and advertises 3D with this projector.

If 3D is unwatchable because of ghosting, then that is false advertising.

The Problem is that there is no ghosting/crosstalk/flicker STANDARD. Whatever the Manufacturer deems acceptable is the standard. SbS and TnB are unwatchable on the x3.

So the question is what is acceptable? right now I am somewhere around 50 hours. I just watch Pirates 4. It did have a bit of ghosting, but only is some scenes. The flicker was bad. I was able to watch it but the issues are still present.

But I know from other reports and going through a bad bulb at some point 400-500 hours the 3d will be unwatchable, unless they fixed this bulb issue, if its even a bulb issue.

Ron gives a good explanation.

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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

The speculation is the response time of the JVC LCoS (DILA) panels is marginal at best and we do know that generally the response time for LCD and LCoS improves at higher temperatures. Thus the warm-up time is necessary to get the LCoS panels hot enough for the response time to improve to the point that a new image is more or less able to fully replace the previous image (i.e., for the other eye) fast enough to avoid excessive crosstalk (ghosting). As the lamps get older and start to dim they probably are also less effective at heating the LCoS panels and as a result the crosstalk becomes a issue even after a warm-up period.

I doubt LCOS or LCD will ever equal DLP in the 3D arena. I believe it is an unfortunate limitation of the technology. Deal with it. Is it broken? No, it just doesn't do 3D that well, but it still does it.


As for bulb failures, JVC said they didn't receive a lot of complaints. Are people just complaining on the forum or are they actually contacting JVC? Remember several manufacturers along with JVC don't come to this forum, because of the amount of venom that has been thrown their way.
post #213 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Axel View Post

soooorrryyyyy

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Axel

No big deal. I just had a couple of expenses that came up in the last two weeks that were unaccounted for.
post #214 of 4435
Sorry this is off-topic, but if anyone likes sub-titled martial arts movies (hah), check out IP Man, I usually don't like these types of movies that much, but it was a good movie.

I was watching lots of VUDU for $6 per movie, I don't recommend this because man that really adds up and you don't even realize how much you spent. It's too tempting to go to VUDU and spend the big bucks just to be so lazy as to not have go to the video store or a redbox (of course Netflix mail works too).

Redbox is starting get more and more blurays in at $1.50 pop, now that's a heck of a deal if you can find them in stock. I also use Netflix streaming but quality of course maxes out at a compressed 720p (which isn't too bad if your sitting a bit farther back, but not very good for people watching bigger screens).
post #215 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Sorry this is off-topic, but if anyone likes sub-titled martial arts movies (hah), check out IP Man, I usually don't like these types of movies that much, but it was a good movie.

finally something we can agree on. There are 3 IP Man movies, 1 is a prequel, and the other is IPMan 1 and 2 with Donnie Yen.

These are all amazing films and can teach a lesson to American film makers on creating a historical action movie without a ton of CGI.

I have all 3 blurays and these movies are a great way to show off the new projectors.
post #216 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Atorak View Post

... Carada, Da-Lite, or Stewart are at the top of my list, but all at completely different price points. Which way is everyone else going? I only need a 106" screen, and I have a lot of flexibility in projector placement, as close as 13' and as far back as 15-16' if necessary, ceiling mounted. Speaking of which, I need a mount too!

Decisions, decisions.....thanks Benito!


Congrats Atorak!

I have been a big Carada fan, after upgrading from a 110" 16:9 Firehawk a few years back.

I have a fully light controlled room with CIH (w/ motorized Panamorph UH480) and do not need AT, so I went with a 125" wide 2:35 Carada BW.
With a fresh lamp my RS10 can handle the big screen very well. But I expect an RS45 will also be sufficiently bright after a several hundred hours on the lamp.
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Axel
post #217 of 4435
I use the Da-Lite High Power 2.4 gain screen, there are trade-offs to these screens, but I rarely have more than 2-3 people in the room watching a movie with me at the same time. I own some cheapo Elite screens I no longer use. I will be ordering a different larger screen in the near future, haven't had enough time to research them all yet, so haven't decided what my next "new" screen will be.

@Zombie
Yah, that actor was really good in that movie, perfect.
The sets were amazing, and the camera work brilliant.
I saw 1 & 2, but not the Prequel yet, need to get that one.

I'm not sure what we were really TOTALLY disagreeing on, I think you said yourself you preferred the JVC for some movies over the Sony. I don't know for sure the JVC will be better at movies, but I'm hoping it will be, and that is the only thing I'm using it for really.

Let us JVC guys have our day, there is about 1000 anti-JVC posts in the Sony vw95 thread and I don't think I jumped in very much (a couple times). The vw95 is likely superior the RS-45, but I don't want to spend that kind of cash on one single projector, much like you I'd rather own several.

I'm trying to catch up with you, but I have a ways to go :P

We are all hoping the projector is as good as we can hope which is all we can hope for. Besides I've been using some projectors lately with pretty bad color accuracy (a Viewsonic Pro8200), so when I see the JVC, I'm going to breathe a sigh of relief even before I calibrate it. The Viewsonic needs a VP much more than the JVC, that's for sure. Trying to rig a temporary VP with some yCMS software using an HTPC and blu-ray drive on the HTPC instead of using my default bluray player, so I can fix the Viewsonic's colors through the HTPC, but I need a new meter first as the old one has strayed.
post #218 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Sorry this is off-topic, but if anyone likes sub-titled martial arts movies (hah), check out IP Man, I usually don't like these types of movies that much, but it was a good movie.

I was watching lots of VUDU for $6 per movie, I don't recommend this because man that really adds up and you don't even realize how much you spent. It's too tempting to go to VUDU and spend the big bucks just to be so lazy as to not have go to the video store or a redbox (of course Netflix mail works too).

Redbox is starting get more and more blurays in at $1.50 pop, now that's a heck of a deal if you can find them in stock. I also use Netflix streaming but quality of course maxes out at a compressed 720p (which isn't too bad if your sitting a bit farther back, but not very good for people watching bigger screens).

you probably know, but PS3 can stream netflix at 1080p and 5.1 sound for some channels...

I have the first IP Man, and I think it is much better than IP Man 2. The 3rd one is not from Donnie Yeh, but it is a good story. IM2 had a lot more kicking/fighting but I think the story is a bit more lacking and more predictable IMHO.
post #219 of 4435
I like IP Man 1 better as well, but I did enjoy both, but 1 had the better story.

I actually didn't know you can stream Netflix at 1080p, you sure you aren't just streaming re-scaled Netflix from 720p to 1080p?

I thought the source encoding and compression maxed out at 720p for Netflix.
post #220 of 4435
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

finally something we can agree on. There are 3 IP Man movies, 1 is a prequel, and the other is IPMan 1 and 2 with Donnie Yen.

These are all amazing films and can teach a lesson to American film makers on creating a historical action movie without a ton of CGI.

I have all 3 blurays and these movies are a great way to show off the new projectors.

If they are the Hong Kong versions and not the Well Go USA releases.
post #221 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

I like IP Man 1 better as well, but I did enjoy both, but 1 had the better story.

I actually didn't know you can stream Netflix at 1080p, you sure you aren't just streaming re-scaled Netflix from 720p to 1080p?

I thought the source encoding and compression maxed out at 720p for Netflix.

Hmm.. that I don't know. If their source is 720p and rescaled and then send it out, then I would not know. All I know is from the receiving side, I see 1080p and 5.1 DD sound. BTW, how can you tell if they have done compression or not?
post #222 of 4435
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Originally Posted by fight4yu View Post

you probably know, but PS3 can stream netflix at 1080p and 5.1 sound for some channels...

I have the first IP Man, and I think it is much better than IP Man 2. The 3rd one is not from Donnie Yeh, but it is a good story. IM2 had a lot more kicking/fighting but I think the story is a bit more lacking and more predictable IMHO.

I bought a Roku 2 HD just because it streams at the same high "1080p" that the PS3 does.
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post #224 of 4435
AVS is moving fast! Just got an email from them with the UPS tracking #. It does not give any ETA date yet, only that the weight is 42 pounds. So it's got to be the RS45 and not the Lumagen Mini-3D that I also ordered from AVS yesterday. I may have to change my plans for the upcoming weekend
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Axel
post #225 of 4435
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

finally something we can agree on. There are 3 IP Man movies, 1 is a prequel, and the other is IPMan 1 and 2 with Donnie Yen.

These are all amazing films and can teach a lesson to American film makers on creating a historical action movie without a ton of CGI.

I have all 3 blurays and these movies are a great way to show off the new projectors.

There's another Ip Man Movie coming out next year.
post #226 of 4435
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I don't see this on the HW30, it's pretty much ready to go right after turning it on. It might reduce 5-10% after a few minutes, but it's relatively stable from a cold start up.

I am puzzled why Sony can do this and JVC can't. They are both lcos panels.
post #227 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

I am puzzled why Sony can do this and JVC can't. They are both lcos panels.

In all fairness, lovingdvd is reporting that the Sony 95 also requires a warm up time and many Panny 7000 owners have reported a warm up time as well.........this is not exclusive to JVC
post #228 of 4435
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Originally Posted by krichter1 View Post

Oh no Todd I agree with you. In fact I had the opportunity this last summer to help a buddy install the little Sharp 17K and I was mildly impressed. Not so much from a 2D perspective but was left with an impression that should one of these come my way I could find a spot for it for 3D which was rock solid (albeit that is it's Achilles heal... not a good value for the price).

Both Geof and Owen made some good points about this years models and one could argue that JVC released this years model as a "do over" for last years mistakes (and give us a few Easter eggs to make us happy until next years redesign comes along).

That being said I'm still looking forward to this years release because as long as they correct CMS/Gamma/Lumens/Bulb life I will be a happy camper and live with the slight 3D shortcomings (I say slight because even on my RS50 at 300 hours still did a fantastic job w/ a well produced 3D disc (it's the bad one's it has problems with; but don't they all?!).

If the 3D is improved even a tad I'll be happy with this years effort!

Dude, I totally agree! I am planning on enjoying the 3d as much as possible even in light of the issues (at least for the first few hundred hours or so and hopefully longer!) and like you say if there are any improvements, it will be great I am still VERY excited to get the 45 even in light of all my 3d bitching.

My main motivation is 2d anyway which I was always THRILLED with as far as the RS40 goes. I cant wait to have lens memory........a new bulb sounds good as well..............hope my dealer calls soon!
post #229 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

I am puzzled why Sony can do this and JVC can't. They are both lcos panels.

On the same note I've always wondered why Sony has been so far behind JVC when it comes to on/off contrast and why JVC can beat them without a DI. In the RPTV days Sony had JVC beat with SXRD/DILA chips but not the same in the projection world.
post #230 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Ranger View Post

They are both lcos panels.

They are both lcos, but I believe there are significant differences as far as which parts are digital and which parts are analog for each implementation of lcos. I'm not saying this causes (or doesn't cause) a significant difference in warmup times, but that there can be big differences between 2 things that both implement liquid-crystal on silicon for imaging.

--Darin
post #231 of 4435
I thought the RS-20 vs. vw95 review was ok in the vw95 thread by one of the posters, that one at least sounded a little more realistic than some of the more Sony fanboy posts. I'd rather have the extra contrast than the better 3D ability, but I know for some of you it's the reverse (but then I ask the question as to why buy the JVC over the Sony if you wanted better 3D). Personally, I've never owned a projector that can get anywhere near these levels of native contrast, so it will be interesting to me. The closest I had was the Sony vw70, but that isn't a match for this projector.

We shall see...

I thought this little tidbit from his review was interesting, of course it was just one user's experience and doesn't say anything to the average, but it does say there can be a large variance....

Convergence of VW95
Given the many reports of excellent convergence from other owners, I was surprised to see that my
convergence wasn’t so great OOTB. I needed to move red down 3 and over 2, and blue over 2 using the
panel shift function. This was not the zone function, but rather the full panel shift option. Unlike the
RS20 where a single click of panel shift makes a large change, the changes are much finer with the VW95
adjustment."
post #232 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

I'd rather have the extra contrast than the better 3D ability, but I know for some of you it's the reverse (but then I ask the question as to why buy the JVC over the Sony if you wanted better 3D).

The Sony 95 is OVER 2x the price of the RS45 which is one reason I did not go for it. If I am going to spend the money on the 95, I might as well just stick with the 45 and grab a BenQ 7000 for 3d which would give me the best of both worlds and best the 3d of the Sony.

The other big reason is its 1.6 zoom lens which does not have enough throw range in my setup.

Also, I dont watch ANY sports or cable in my HT so that is not a factor in my decision (at which point the Sony would become much more appealing with its supposed better motion/FI......of course at that point the RS55 would be in the running as well).

Otherwise, the 95 sounds like one fantastic projector!
post #233 of 4435
Yah same here, I'd just grab a DLP + the JVC than the Sony by itself, but for some it makes sense to buy the vw95.

Although if I were super rich (which I'm not, but a few in here are), who knows how many projectors I'd own, maybe 20.
post #234 of 4435
The relevant comparison is the Sony Vw95 vs the JVC RS55; they are essentially the same price (at AVS). I thought Ric's review was excellent, and very well-balanced: the 3 yr old RS20 is still quite a good pj, but the VW95 does sound like it surpasses it in many significant areas. It's great to see JVC have some serious competition.

It would really be neat if Ric, or someone else who does such a careful comparison, could carry this out for the RS55 vs the VW95. E.g., does the e-shifting feature of the RS55 take sharpness, etc., to a level beyond the VW95, or not?
post #235 of 4435
Watched 3D at a friends place recently on a big Mits DLP. The images were very cool!
I did notice after a few minutes, those glasses are quite irritating! I do wear prescription glasses regularly. So it's not just becoming accustom to wearing glasses. Who ever designed them clearly doesn't wear glasses at all! lol

Unless they make them more comfortable, the chances of me watching much 3D is slim to none. The RS45 will be 99% for 2D viewing.

I planned to order the glasses when my projector was ready to ship..now..I think I'll pass.
post #236 of 4435
I'm in the same boat with some of you as far as contrast goes. I saw pics in one thread where someone had the VW95 side by side with an HW30 and at first glance the contrast difference is small. But look at if for a minute or two and there's a noticeable difference to someone who is a black level nut. Then combine it that there's also a slight advantage for the RS45 over the VW95 and to the picky there's a noticeable difference. If the JVCs FI/motion has a noticeable improvement and works fairly well (though a step down from the Sonys) I will be satisfied. Quite honestly I'm not even sure how much I'll like 3D after the newness wears off. If it turns out that I don't like it as much then if I were to get the Sony I would likely have buyer's remorse wishing I had purchased the JVC as having an RS2 clone I know the 2D will be great with motion being the exception (which from early reports sounds like improvements have been made). If the FI is too aggressive and has the soap effect I won't be overly offended as some purists are.
post #237 of 4435
My RS45 is on the way! I'm thrilled that AVS was able to get them at the end of November as we had speculated. Mike's been super helpful, and answered all my questions, even if there was a bit of legwork.

I've installed a few projectors for other people from Dells to a $30k SIM2, but this is my first projector. For me, the projector is the diva of the home theater, and after over a year of researching, I'm confident I have the right star for my room.

Did I mention I'm excited?!

(maybe now, I can lay off of the 3k+ board a little)
post #238 of 4435
Just talked to Benito at AVS and confirmed my RS45 is on its way. Crossing my fingers I might see it next week or thereabouts. Can't wait!
post #239 of 4435
I just got an email from Mike to finalize the order. I'm trying to decide if I should go through with it or wait for another year to upgrade my RS2 clone. I want good 3D but just can't live without the JVC's contrast. The potential bulb issue and ghosting have me feeling very unsure about the 45. My RS2 clone has been very reliable and still has pretty darn good picture quality. I'm so confused.

Tom
post #240 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Axel View Post

Just got a call from Mike.....
...... they have started shipping the 45's.

Mike mentioned he already received a few with the bulk following soon. He also would have enough to fill all the AVS pre-orders.

I should get mine soon. My CC is now being charged.
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Anybody from AVS sales want to comment on expectations for shipping on pre-orders?

Thanks,
Jason
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