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post #3601 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

For people with ongoing issues with the Monster Vision glasses EMITTER and the JVC, I think I figured out the easiest way to get the emitter working on the first or second try, rather than having to keep unplugging/replugging. I had posted earlier instructions, but this method is more detailed.

Thanks for sharing coderguy, but all the steps makes me a little sad knowing there is no way to fire it up right away without the hassle of unplugging, plugging and unplugging cables; shure doesn't do any good to all the devices.
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Originally Posted by coderguy 
1) Use the HTPC, display something 3D (or the bluray if you have to, but the HTPC is more guaranteed). I recommend Nvidia TVPlay if you have an Nvidia, then just click a 3D image in the NVIDIA viewer. Double check to ensure the JVC is showing (fp) in the signal like 1080p (fp) or 720p (fp).

Anyone know if there is a similar tool available for AMD graphics cards other then media player software like TriDef, PowerDVD, WinDVD which actually need to load the BluRay?
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Originally Posted by coderguy 
2) After that, unplug the CABLE from the back of the JVC rather than unplugging the emitter from the cable. This defies logic somewhat, but sometimes cables with nothing plugged into them at the other end can still cause a stuck state mode even if you unplug the device at the other end (impedance or EMI discharge issue perhaps).

Did you notice any difference between pulling the cable from the JVC versus pulling the cable from the emitter? I don't like to pull this 3D plug from the projector regularly.

Okay, thanks again, you're just sharing your information so others like me can enjoy the monster with the jvc, I appreciate that!
post #3602 of 4435
Guys,

Pardon my 2 cents here but I'm using the monster vision glasses (which I got a week ago) and have it plugged into the RS45.
EVERYTIME I power up my RS45, the flashing red lights are ALWAYS on the emitter.
Whether I launch a 3D or not the emitter ALWAYS flashes.

I have 0 problems with 3D starting.
For me it works flawless...I don't understand why you need to go through all those steps for the emitter to work.

Again...All I have is the emitter plugged into the RS45, nothing else!

Why do you guys have to do all that!

BTW, I have been going crazy with this 3D stuff with this projector.
I have played with TMT5, PowerDVD and WinDVD for the past week.
I will take some pictures and do a mini review of the 3 but let me tell you that Picture quality WINDVD Rules!!!!
post #3603 of 4435
I am not using the Monster kit, but I do have a JVC emitter hooked up to my RS45. Signal is sent from PS3 to Denon 4311 to Lumagen Mini 3D to Darbee to RS45. To get 3D to work, I just put a 3D BD into the PS3 and it works every time.
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post #3604 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Fatshaft View Post

Guys,
Pardon my 2 cents here but I'm using the monster vision glasses (which I got a week ago) and have it plugged into the RS45.
EVERYTIME I power up my RS45, the flashing red lights are ALWAYS on the emitter.
Whether I launch a 3D or not the emitter ALWAYS flashes.
I have 0 problems with 3D starting.
For me it works flawless...I don't understand why you need to go through all those steps for the emitter to work.
Again...All I have is the emitter plugged into the RS45, nothing else!

Same here, haven't had any problems with just the Monster emitter plugged in.
post #3605 of 4435
For the people where it works the first try, do you all have the newer JVC firmware?

If not, then my best guess is it is a slightly off electronic component (I'm not an electronics person, but maybe a faulty resistor?) causing an impedance issue on the cable.
This would make sense I think because unplugging and replugging cable at back of JVC will discharge EMI buildup.

I have 2 emitters and they both do it, so I'm assuming it's something wrong with my projector. Now this isn't really anything wrong, as much as a part is off-spec a tiny bit. Interesting to know that not all of you have the issue. I never had any problems with the JVC emitter, only the Monster emitter.
post #3606 of 4435
I am running original software.
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post #3607 of 4435
Right, but we are talking about monster emitter, not JVC emitter (no problems with JVC emitter here). It could have been a bad run on Monster emitters, who knows.
post #3608 of 4435
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

I am running original software.

So am I...
post #3609 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Right, but we are talking about monster emitter, not JVC emitter (no problems with JVC emitter here).

My monster emitter is updated to the last version and my JVC is the original version
post #3610 of 4435
My guess then is one of these 3:
RF interference, slightly off-spec resistor in the JVC when it tries to output power to it and monster emitter is overly sensitive to output voltage, or bad run on Monster emitters.
post #3611 of 4435
I have the latest JVC firmware on the projector and have no problem with the MV glasses. I have tried several MV transmitters. I did have a issue with the projector not working with the JVC emitter and it was sent back and repaired by JVC. The MV glasses never gave me a problem even when I could not get the JVC's to work. When I turn the unit on all 4 leds blink on the MV transmitter. They only change color and link when I play a 3d source. As soon as I put on a 3d source I turn on the glasses and the link takes place in a few seconds. I am using the latest VIP firmware for the MV emitter. PM me if you need an extra emitter to try. I have several pairs of glasses and would be happy to lend you an emitter to try.
post #3612 of 4435
I already tried multiple emitters. There are several people in here having the issue though, I think it is the voltage regulation on the JVC port.
post #3613 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

I already tried multiple emitters. There are several people in here having the issue though, I think it is the voltage regulation on the JVC port.

You are probably correct regarding the voltage regulation on the JVC port. I had the JVC board go bad with the JVC emitter not working and had to send the RS45 in for repairs. It is interesting that while the JVC emitter would not work the Monster emitter continued to work. With the replacement of the board by JVC both the JVC & Monster emitter now work with no problem.
post #3614 of 4435
Was able to use the Monster emitter directly after starting up the JVC. The Monster emitter was USB-powered and my HTPC was already on when I started the JVC. I later on could disconnect the Monster emitter from USB-power and still use it.

When I fill my 110 inch screen at 1080p60 resolution and switch to 3D it does show 1080p24(FP), but the issue is that it does not fill my whole screen, it's like 100 inch. Is this normal? I use PowerDVD 12, probably a player issue?
post #3615 of 4435
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Originally Posted by NL-MindfluX View Post

Was able to use the Monster emitter directly after starting up the JVC. The Monster emitter was USB-powered and my HTPC was already on when I started the JVC. I later on could disconnect the Monster emitter from USB-power and still use it.
When I fill my 110 inch screen at 1080p60 resolution and switch to 3D it does show 1080p24(FP), but the issue is that it does not fill my whole screen anymore, it's like 100 inch. Is this normal? I use PowerDVD 12, probably a player issue?

No difference between 2D and 3D with my RS45, something must be wrong with PDVD.

FYI, I'm totally impressed with the quality of WINDVD...the image is sharper and smoother.

Good luck
post #3616 of 4435
Good tip! You've said it earlier. I am downloading the WinDVD 11 Trial now.

Edit:
Tried WinDVD. Same issue. Removed Autofrequency. Finally found the issue in the graphic card drivers, it was on 15% underscan for 1080p24. Reminded me I had this issue right after installing the AMD card and viewing 1080p60. Anyway, it works now.

WinDVD is switching the JVC much quicker between resolutions then PowerDVD: about 3 versus 15 seconds.
Edited by NL-MindfluX - 7/4/12 at 3:10pm
post #3617 of 4435
Ah man, I should've thought of that! sorry...
Ya the underscan is default at -15. Once set it's fine though.
Don't get rid of autofrequency as this is useful to watch 2D with MPCHC but not needed for 3D.

FYI,
What I like the MOST about WINDVD is the fact that there's NO "glass reflection effect".
Let me explain:

If you have Monsters vs. Aliens 3D, put the scene where Derek is on the roof and talking with Susan.
The part where the camera is shooting at Derek from above while he's explaining to Susan his perspective.
The roof top feels reflective as if there was glass on the roof.
With WINDVD there's "0" reflection. PowerDVD has a little and TMT5 is by far the worst!

Another really bad scene is when Link is about to dive in the pool, there's a shot of insektosawreus in a black background (Scene at nighttime) has the glass reflection effect.
Again, with WINDVD there's NONE!

There's a couple more scenes but those are good ones to test.

Regards,
post #3618 of 4435
has anyone had any issues with what I can only describe as image tearing when watching 3d? It is especially noticeable on the edges and perfectly noticeable if one of the projector menus is pulled up. this is only in 3d and goes away when watching 2d. any suggestions or should I contact JVC on this one?
post #3619 of 4435
Lots of issues with 3D on this projector, but I don't think I've ever seen a true tearing like effect, maybe. When you pull up a projector menu that will be a 2D object at a 2D depth conflicting with the 3D view, so I've never tried that but I imagine if you're looking for faults in 3D with this projector, you'll find plenty anyhow. That said, How to Train your dragon looks really good on it.

It is probably just your settings, cabling, or bluray player causing it.
I doubt it's the projector, but I suppose anything is possible.
post #3620 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Fatshaft View Post

Ah man, I should've thought of that! What I like the MOST about WINDVD is the fact that there's NO "glass reflection effect".

Since I am using WinDVD and AMD Underscan is at 0% I am very impressed with the 3D quality of the JVC. I've watched parts of 3D Blu-Ray's:
- How to Train your Dragon
- Alice in Wonderland
- Hugo
- Tron Legacy
- Underworld
- Captain America

Especially computer generated 3D material like in 'How to Train your Dragon' looks absolutely beautiful. Two days ago I thought about selling the monster glasses, but now I definitely are going to use them. Yesterday I have been testing and watching about 3.5 hours of 3D content without getting any headache, fatique or any kind of that stuff. The JVC glasses are absolutely no competition against the Monster Vision Glasses.

Btw; I only changed Joystick up and down on a still 3D image of Blu-Ray where I was thinking it looked okay. Did you change anything with the software settings like VIP 3D; is see some sliders there. Is it possible to even further improve the quality?

Btw2: No problems anymore with enabling the Monster emitter with the X30. I just need to USB power it from my HTPC when the JVC is off.
When I turn on my HTPC the emitter starts flashing while Windows is loading, the leds go red from left-right-left-right etc, I then power up my X30. When I play 3D content the emitter's left-right flashing stops and all leds go green. If I want I can disconnect the USB-power from the emitter.
I do not have to touch the emitter's joystick, previous used setting from another evening is saved. When I quit WinDVD or disable 3D in WinDVD the leds are starting to flash from left-right again.
Above procedure doesn't work when I do not USB-power the emitter before I power up the JVC. Conclusion for me: just use the USB-power cable and connect it to the emitter.
Edited by NL-MindfluX - 7/5/12 at 3:14am
post #3621 of 4435
Yah, it appears that when using the HTPC first I can sometimes just turn the PJ on without having to unplug the emitter from the back of the JVC, but not always and it depends what I was doing beforehand. With my bluray player, it is more difficult as it more often gets locked into that invalid state requiring me to unplug the cable, but I assure you that in my setup anyhow, I do often need to unplug the cable from the back of the JVC unless I am only using the HTPC and didn't use the Bluray yet (USB powered or not). Generally, I have used my bluray before the HTPC, so I just didn't think about it too much. Of course it may just be my unit to where I actually have to unplug the cable from the back (maybe my bluray player combining with the voltage issue on JVC not powering the emitter correctly on first try), but glad you got it working.

Getting the emitter independently powered from a USB power source and replugging all cables at the emitter is the first step and the main thing, but if that doesn't work, then completely unplugging the cable from the back of the JVC while also leaving emitter powered by USB is the sure step to reset it completely.
Edited by coderguy - 7/5/12 at 4:15am
post #3622 of 4435
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Originally Posted by NL-MindfluX View Post

Since I am using WinDVD and AMD Underscan is at 0% I am very impressed with the 3D quality of the JVC. I've watched parts of 3D Blu-Ray's:
- How to Train your Dragon
- Alice in Wonderland
- Hugo
- Tron Legacy
- Underworld
- Captain America
Especially computer generated 3D material like in 'How to Train your Dragon' looks absolutely beautiful.

The JVC does 3D ok in some movies, but it ghosts like crazy in other movies as well as most games. In 3D games it is very difficult to use. About the only game I can really play almost normally in 3D is FSX, and even then it does still ghost, but because the spot plane view in the game remains at the same level of depth, the ghosting is somewhat bearable after adjustments. Severe ghosting can actually also ruin the depth perception in a movie or a game. The problem with the JVC's ghosting is that the convergence or parallax field is not equalized and is therefore uneven across the different points of depth. Hence, if you took a football stadium, you can get ghosting out at the 20 yard line, and it may even work great for the end zone to the 40 yard line, but at the 50+ yard line the ghosting comes back, then you'd have to re-adjust again.

It would be interesting if someone would make a multi-depth parallax adjuster in HTPC software (if Nvidia would add it), and see if that could eliminate 90% of the ghosting. My feeling is there is probably a good chance it would get rid of a lot of it for gaming, but have much less usefulness in movies (possibly a 2 or 3 zone adjustment might help some though even in movies). In games the XYZ data is there for defining the different zones of depth, but in movies it is not. I will post this question to the developers of the NVIDIA driver, as I think a multi-zone parallax field of depth adjuster to get ghosting out might be beneficial for many games in devices other than just the JVC. It wouldn't get rid of it completely, but it sure could reduce it a lot to almost negligible is my non-expert opinion. It would especially be useful for games like racing and flying to where min and max "ghost sensitive" depth zones are highly static. After having tried a few games, I am pretty sure the ghosting is relatively consistent at the same field of depth if you go by the worst case ghosting test at each depth level.
Edited by coderguy - 7/5/12 at 5:00am
post #3623 of 4435
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Originally Posted by NL-MindfluX View Post

Since I am using WinDVD and AMD Underscan is at 0% I am very impressed with the 3D quality of the JVC. I've watched parts of 3D Blu-Ray's:
- How to Train your Dragon
- Alice in Wonderland
- Hugo
- Tron Legacy
- Underworld
- Captain America
Especially computer generated 3D material like in 'How to Train your Dragon' looks absolutely beautiful.

Ya no comparisons with the JVC glasses....Monster is alot better + WINDVD really helps with the picture quality!

I too am very impressed with the quality of the image in 3D. As a matter of fact, I am now having problems watching in 2D.
It seems the quality of 3D is 10 fold better than 2D. It sure looks like the resolution is much higher on 3D. It just looks so real!!!

I can't get enough...I've had the glasses for just a little over a week and have already put over 40 hours in 3D alone!!!

FYI, In 3D I have my bulb setting on Normal...I find on HIGH my image is not as nice.
My settings are bright enough.
the trick is to set the CCC setting "video gamma" to 1.3 from 1.0 It brightens all the image. I would not do this with a 2D picture!
Ex: In most 3D movies my brightness setting is @ minus 6 to minus 8.
Yesterday I watched Green Lantern and had to set the brightness to minus4 cause it's a pretty dark movie.
Monsters vs Aliens @ minus 8, How to train dragon @ minus 7, Hugo @ minus 4, on the brightness and it is plenty bright!

What is starting to get to me now is the ghosting...it's pretty bad on this projector:( but the contrast is f...amazing!
post #3624 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Fatshaft View Post

As a matter of fact, I am now having problems watching in 2D.
It seems the quality of 3D is 10 fold better than 2D. It sure looks like the resolution is much higher on 3D. It just looks so real!!!

Yup, it looks so much more real because the depth effect as well as the heavier Anti-Aliasing effect in 3D gets rid of more of the digital look.
I used a special mod which maps real-life textures in Flight Sim X game to the map, to make photo-quality flying in 3D. The effect is amazing, I kid you not that in most of the flights in 3D it looks identical to looking out the window of a real plane. The only issue is the texture loading times are insane and you can't fly very fast or very far or the res drops down. I have screenshots to where you cannot tell they were taken in a game, it looks like they were taken with a high-res 3D camera (because they were, they were taken with sats). It is because it is using real pictures for the textures and mountains and cities in the game. It's a pain to get it working smoothly however, but it's pretty incredible in 3D. The mountains and rivers are in 3D, but most of the buildings are not (aiports are), but once you are higher than 100 feet you cannot tell. Problem is I could really use 100+ Terrabytes (yes TB) for the cache engine, because I'm downloading too much data.
Edited by coderguy - 7/5/12 at 5:18am
post #3625 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

The problem with the JVC's ghosting is that the convergence or parallax field is not equalized and is therefore uneven across the different points of depth. Hence, if you took a football stadium, you can get ghosting out at the 20 yard line, and it may even work great for the end zone to the 40 yard line, but at the 50+ yard line the ghosting comes back, then you'd have to re-adjust again.
It would be interesting if someone would make a multi-depth parallax adjuster in HTPC software (if Nvidia would add it), and see if that could eliminate 90% of the ghosting.

YA I noticed that too!
The parallax only adjust ghosting on a certain depth. The rest of the depth suffers! I can't believe that's how it works. It's so disappointing when you fix a certain scene and bang the next scene is worse! I HATE the ghosting on this projector.
Shame on you JVC for not addressing this problem before putting the projector on the streets for sale.
Working in sales all my life, I'd be embarrassed selling it's features when and if a customer would ask me about 3D on this projector.

I wish someone can fix the ghosting through a software program...I would pay for this so I can watch 3D on the JVC.
post #3626 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Yup, it looks so much more real because the depth effect as well as the heavier Anti-Aliasing effect in 3D gets rid of more of the digital look.
I used a special mod to map real-life textures in Flight Sim X game to the map, to make photo-quality flying in 3D. The effect is amazing, I kid you not that in most of the flights in 3D it looks identical to looking out the window of a real plane. The only issue is the texture loading times are insane and you can't fly very fast or very far or the res drops down. I have screenshots to where you cannot tell they were taken in a game, it looks like they were taken with a high-res 3D camera (because they were, they were taken with sats). It is because it is using real pictures for the textures and mountains and cities in the game. It's a pain to get it working smoothly however, but it's pretty incredible in 3D. The mountains and rivers are in 3D, but most of the buildings are not (aiports are), but once you are higher than 100 feet you cannot tell. I am working on changing the mod so that one of the lower layers makes it 100% real even below 100 feet.

WOW coderguy, I'd love to see that...It must be unreal. I wish you were closer so I can come and see!
post #3627 of 4435
It's not that hard to setup if you want to try it, PM me...
post #3628 of 4435
@Fatshaft
Please check your PM's.
post #3629 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Lots of issues with 3D on this projector, but I don't think I've ever seen a true tearing like effect, maybe. When you pull up a projector menu that will be a 2D object at a 2D depth conflicting with the 3D view, so I've never tried that but I imagine if you're looking for faults in 3D with this projector, you'll find plenty anyhow. That said, How to Train your dragon looks really good on it.
It is probably just your settings, cabling, or bluray player causing it.
I doubt it's the projector, but I suppose anything is possible.

I've managed to mostly eliminate the ghosting and what is there doesn't really bother me, but I'm definitely getting the image tearing, even after trying different cables and players. I believe the fault lies in the projector as it's the menus from the projector itself (not the player) where the tearing is most evident. I think I may just give JVC a call tomorrow and see what they have to say about the issue.
post #3630 of 4435
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Originally Posted by ShadeRF View Post

I've managed to mostly eliminate the ghosting and what is there doesn't really bother me,

Please tell us HOW you mostly eliminated ghosting...please
Sorry I can't help you with tearing...my unit has no tearing whatsoever.

Thanks
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