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post #4051 of 4435
Does anyone have the RS45 projecting to a Carada BW 1.4 gain screen?

I went really big with my screen in a bat cave and love the image but I feel that I'm getting a bit of eye fatigue. I am at -15 for the aperture in a custom setting based loosely on projectorreview's settings. Even when I make the image smaller, I still get some eye fatigue/strain. (It also might have to do with working overnight for a few nights then propping myself in front of a movie...) I hope that someone can share their settings for the RS45/X30 to the Carada screen.

Thanks for any help.
post #4052 of 4435
That is my exact set-up. RS-45 onto a 110" Carada BW. I am at 500 hours and am on high bulb -13 to achieve 16 FL according to a Colormunki and Calman. I am not sure whether the FL's are accurate. I don't have a light meter. I am about 14' away.
post #4053 of 4435
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Originally Posted by BigM555 View Post

I'm replying from work so don't have exact measurements but again this sounds very similar to my set up. I am using a 120" 2.35:1 screen, My basement has 9' ceilings and my JVC is mounted approximately 14' 9" from the screen and on a "low profile" mount that provides only about 4-5" of clearance between the projector and the ceiling. There is a single bulkhead on the ceiling about 3.5' in front of the screen which extends down about 10". My screen is mounted perhaps a little higher than it should be for optimal eye level viewing when seated on the couch (roughly 4.5' from floor to center of screen) but low enough to provide clearance for the projected image to clear the bulkhead. I believe the bottom of my screen is around 30 inches from the floor. When viewing regular 16:9 content the image clears the bulkhead above and there seems to be plenty of room to still shift the image down. How far I'm not completely sure. I use the zoom memory feature when watching 2.35 content and when doing part of the actual 16:9 image is projected onto the bulkhead (about 3" worth). Thanks to the great blacks of the X30 this can never be seen unless you flip to a 16:9 image while zoomed out (or in stupid dual format movies like Dark Knight).
For your exact set up you could probably make use of coderguy's excellent site; http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/
I don't have, nor have sufficient experience even viewing, an anamorphic lens so I can't comment with any authority on the pros and cons. I can say that I would consider myself pretty discriminating though and I have no desire to acquire a lens for my set up. Thanks to the pixel density of the JVC LCOS panels I can get right up to the screen even when zoomed to the full 120" 2.35 image and have no issues with image quality. Technically you will get higher horizontal pixel density with an anamorphic lens but unless you pony up for very high quality optics it's apt to get lost in lower brightness or other lens distortions. I have seen many people on this board report that they use the "zoom method" to watch wide screen content with their X30's and I can't recall many expressing that they felt they HAD to get a lens. In fact it often seems to go the other way. Those that have a lens sometimes decide to sell it off after realizing the zoom method is pretty good on it's own.

I take it your screen is fixed. Sounds like a nice set up. As fixed is not an option for me, I want to get the Elite tensioned roll down screen and I have seen some mention of these screen getting wrinkled after a few months so that is what I debating on right now
post #4054 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Joesyah View Post

Yeah my dlp had all of that. I could still see RBE when I wanted to.

Which DLP model did you own? IIRC only Sim2 and Planar (Runco) use the Unishape technology.

I'm not saying there will be zero separation artifacts, but they become reduced to an amount that is very small. I also on occasion see them. They just don't bother me like they do some people. The effect isn't a constant one that you will continue to see no matter the content like motion issues are. They're only there for a millisecond and then they're gone. RBE on most of the newer, and older higher end, machines are only a rare occurrence. I think the benefits DLP gives you outweighs the disadvantage of having RBE showing up occasionally. The same can be said about JVCs DILA panels. You pick and choose which you value more and many can't be bothered by the things that bother me. Projectors are very subjective to end user and that person's opinion is the only thing that matters when making a choice on which one to get.
post #4055 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

Which DLP model did you own? IIRC only Sim2 and Planar (Runco) use the Unishape technology.
I'm not saying there will be zero separation artifacts, but they become reduced to an amount that is very small. I also on occasion see them. They just don't bother me like they do some people. The effect isn't a constant one that you will continue to see no matter the content like motion issues are. They're only there for a millisecond and then they're gone. RBE on most of the newer, and older higher end, machines are only a rare occurrence. I think the benefits DLP gives you outweighs the disadvantage of having RBE showing up occasionally. The same can be said about JVCs DILA panels. You pick and choose which you value more and many can't be bothered by the things that bother me. Projectors are very subjective to end user and that person's opinion is the only thing that matters when making a choice on which one to get.

I agree..different strokes for different folks. The Infocus SP8602 is a terrific DLP. It did many things right. If it and other DLPs could only give me the contrast of the JVCs, it would have been a keeper.
As you can't live with the motion of DILA, I can't live with the contrast/black levels of anything less than JVC's standard. I saw less RBE on the SP8602 than on lesser DPs I've owned.
Not seeing it at all is even better. I've found I have less eye fatigue with the JVC.
post #4056 of 4435
can someone please tell me in VERY basic terms, how to callibrate the RS45 ?
cheers Rob smile.gif
post #4057 of 4435
Calibration guide for dummies:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
Edited by Seegs108 - 11/22/12 at 7:09pm
post #4058 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Seegs108 View Post

Calibration guide for dummies:
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
thanks bud, i will read that, but its alot of reading, i was really looking for specific rs45 settings just to get it good just now, then get further into it a bit later on...how do i say it without sounding cheeky.. i dont need to know how a car works, i just need to know how to drive it ..if you get me ?
cheers rob
post #4059 of 4435
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Originally Posted by rob12770 View Post

thanks bud, i will read that, but its alot of reading, i was really looking for specific rs45 settings just to get it good just now, then get further into it a bit later on...how do i say it without sounding cheeky.. i dont need to know how a car works, i just need to know how to drive it ..if you get me ?
cheers rob

The RS45 is pretty good out of the box using natural mode.
post #4060 of 4435
thanks tiger, not sure i agree tho mate, natural mode kinda looks like the bold and the beutifull type video...cinema or fim on 6500k seems better to my eye.
Edited by rob12770 - 11/23/12 at 3:17am
post #4061 of 4435
Download the AVCHD disc to set you contrast and brightness. It is free. Natural 5500 and 2.6 gamma were a good starting point for me. Turn down the sharpness and the RC as these add too many artifacts. You can also look at the reviews on Projector Central and Projector reviews and try their settings. Ultimately, each set up and projector are different but these suggestions may get you closer. You can also purchase a meter and software and do it yourself. It is an addicting hobby but one that has benefits to more than just your JVC. Enjoy the projector.
post #4062 of 4435
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Originally Posted by kkpro View Post

Download the AVCHD disc to set you contrast and brightness. It is free. Natural 5500 and 2.6 gamma were a good starting point for me. Turn down the sharpness and the RC as these add too many artifacts. You can also look at the reviews on Projector Central and Projector reviews and try their settings. Ultimately, each set up and projector are different but these suggestions may get you closer. You can also purchase a meter and software and do it yourself. It is an addicting hobby but one that has benefits to more than just your JVC. Enjoy the projector.
thanks bud, il get right on that smile.gif where do i get this ACVHD disc ? cheers rob
post #4063 of 4435
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post


The smoothing effect is because you are not used to a 120hz projector even with CMD off, because it is multiplying every frame x 5 (24hz x 5 = 120hz) and I believe using 5:5 pulldown.

I don't believe there is a proper way to force the projector to show it at a lower hz without side effects (maybe). You can try watching at 60hz but it will add judder, or try inverse telecine maybe (cmd 5 I think). You will probably get used to 120hz if you just keep watching it.

Is this projector fixed at 120hz or is that only in CMD mode? I don't mind judder unless it's really bad but I can't stand any form of FI / motion smoothing in movies. Makes it looks like a low budget production.
post #4064 of 4435
A cautionary tale from a first-time DLA-RS45U owner.

The original bulb exploded without warning in May, only 30 hours on it. But I was past the 90-day bulb warranty period, so add $300 for a new bulb to an already expensive projector.

In early October, I got the flashing light syndrome. Was told by Lorenzo White to send it to the Long Beach repair center. Spent $60 to ship across the country, received by JVC on October 19.

No response from JVC after receipt. Tracking site says "Waiting Parts". Two weeks pass, no change in status. When I inquire I am told the part won't arrive until December 26.

No projector for Thanksgiving, no projector for Christmas. Maybe I'll get it back sometime in early January.

I find it interesting that JVC describes this as a "professional" product. What professional would depend on a projector that takes ten weeks to repair in the first year of service? My Epson and Panasonic projectors never failed, in years of use, and are still on their original bulbs.

I sent Mikel at the JVC Customer Care Center an email a week ago politely explaining the situation. No response.

So that's why my first JVC projector will be my last. Expensive, unreliable, inadequately supported--at least that has been my experience.
post #4065 of 4435
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Originally Posted by rob12770 View Post

my pointis, there are nothing but great reviews for the HD33, but in my experience they are ALL wrong !
plus i got my rs45 for just £400 more than the optoma

Well, I'm sure those 'great reviews' were in relative comparisons to other projectors in it's same price class, not in comparison with projectors that are priced 3x more.

And of course I'm talking about the comparative price of the projectors when they were still available (new), not the close-out prices on a discontinued model vs a model that is still avail.
post #4066 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Bob Whitefield View Post

A cautionary tale from a first-time DLA-RS45U owner.
The original bulb exploded without warning in May, only 30 hours on it. But I was past the 90-day bulb warranty period, so add $300 for a new bulb to an already expensive projector.
In early October, I got the flashing light syndrome. Was told by Lorenzo White to send it to the Long Beach repair center. Spent $60 to ship across the country, received by JVC on October 19.
No response from JVC after receipt. Tracking site says "Waiting Parts". Two weeks pass, no change in status. When I inquire I am told the part won't arrive until December 26.
No projector for Thanksgiving, no projector for Christmas. Maybe I'll get it back sometime in early January.
I find it interesting that JVC describes this as a "professional" product. What professional would depend on a projector that takes ten weeks to repair in the first year of service? My Epson and Panasonic projectors never failed, in years of use, and are still on their original bulbs.
I sent Mikel at the JVC Customer Care Center an email a week ago politely explaining the situation. No response.
So that's why my first JVC projector will be my last. Expensive, unreliable, inadequately supported--at least that has been my experience.

Most PJ manufactures give you the option (usually the first option) of sending you a refurb'd PJ in return. If it dies with 30 days, most will send out a new PJ. Of course with the low hrs on your PJ, you may of opted to allow them to repair it instead, which always takes longer.

Not sure how JVC normally handles it?
post #4067 of 4435
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Most PJ manufactures give you the option (usually the first option) of sending you a refurb'd PJ in return. If it dies with 30 days, most will send out a new PJ. Of course with the low hrs on your PJ, you may of opted to allow them to repair it instead, which always takes longer.
Not sure how JVC normally handles it?

Thanks fleaman. The way they handled it in my case was to tell me to ship the unit to them, then there was no further communication from JVC.

I had to contact them myself to learn repair would take ten weeks. "We apologize for any inconvenience this has caused you", they said. Still no reply to the followup message I sent a week ago.

If your JVC projector fails after the first thirty days, you may be without it for months. That's my caution to prospective owners.
post #4068 of 4435
Yeah, from posts on AVS it appears JVC isn't one of the better CS projector manufactures.

I've had experiance with Optoma and Mitsubishi projector CS and both were pretty good. Optoma was good many years ago (when I dealt with them) and Mits was even better----real good/excellent in fact.

In fact, in the Mits HC4000 thread a poster just got his HC4000 fixed for free even though it was beyond the warranty period.
post #4069 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Bob Whitefield View Post

A cautionary tale from a first-time DLA-RS45U owner.
The original bulb exploded without warning in May, only 30 hours on it. But I was past the 90-day bulb warranty period, so add $300 for a new bulb to an already expensive projector.
In early October, I got the flashing light syndrome. Was told by Lorenzo White to send it to the Long Beach repair center. Spent $60 to ship across the country, received by JVC on October 19.
No response from JVC after receipt. Tracking site says "Waiting Parts". Two weeks pass, no change in status. When I inquire I am told the part won't arrive until December 26.
No projector for Thanksgiving, no projector for Christmas. Maybe I'll get it back sometime in early January.
I find it interesting that JVC describes this as a "professional" product. What professional would depend on a projector that takes ten weeks to repair in the first year of service? My Epson and Panasonic projectors never failed, in years of use, and are still on their original bulbs.
I sent Mikel at the JVC Customer Care Center an email a week ago politely explaining the situation. No response.
So that's why my first JVC projector will be my last. Expensive, unreliable, inadequately supported--at least that has been my experience.

I would call JVC and demand a credit and buy the new model. Let thm finger phuk your old unit for New Years. lol:)
post #4070 of 4435
I would be relentless on demanding a new model. That's the only way things get done
post #4071 of 4435
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Yeah, from posts on AVS it appears JVC isn't one of the better CS projector manufactures.
I've had experiance with Optoma and Mitsubishi projector CS and both were pretty good. Optoma was good many years ago (when I dealt with them) and Mits was even better----real good/excellent in fact.
In fact, in the Mits HC4000 thread a poster just got his HC4000 fixed for free even though it was beyond the warranty period.
utter nonsence, i had a total nightmare with optoma..they be crap !
it is well know that JVC produce great projectors, you will get the odd faulty one with ANY manufacturer..
post #4072 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Bob Whitefield View Post

A cautionary tale from a first-time DLA-RS45U owner.
The original bulb exploded without warning in May, only 30 hours on it. But I was past the 90-day bulb warranty period, so add $300 for a new bulb to an already expensive projector.
In early October, I got the flashing light syndrome. Was told by Lorenzo White to send it to the Long Beach repair center. Spent $60 to ship across the country, received by JVC on October 19.
No response from JVC after receipt. Tracking site says "Waiting Parts". Two weeks pass, no change in status. When I inquire I am told the part won't arrive until December 26.
No projector for Thanksgiving, no projector for Christmas. Maybe I'll get it back sometime in early January.
I find it interesting that JVC describes this as a "professional" product. What professional would depend on a projector that takes ten weeks to repair in the first year of service? My Epson and Panasonic projectors never failed, in years of use, and are still on their original bulbs.
I sent Mikel at the JVC Customer Care Center an email a week ago politely explaining the situation. No response.
So that's why my first JVC projector will be my last. Expensive, unreliable, inadequately supported--at least that has been my experience.


Damn.. I am happy that my dealer gives 2000 hour and/or 3 years on the bulb - whatever may come first
post #4073 of 4435
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Originally Posted by rob12770 View Post

utter nonsence, i had a total nightmare with optoma..they be crap !
it is well know that JVC produce great projectors, you will get the odd faulty one with ANY manufacturer..

You're saying my experience with Optoma's customer service was 'utter nonsense'??

For one, I'm not lying, it was from 'many years ago', I'm in the U.S. and you being in the U.K. can of course be a different experience, and finally, I made no mention of the quality of the actual PJ. Your response to my post in such a way seems like utter nonsense. When I had an Optoma many years ago, I was on the optoma threads a lot and Optoma USA was really good with CS back then (like a good 6+ years ago), the Optoma thread back then was proof of it (customers happy with their CS). I don't have a clue how it is now as I don't own a Optoma anymore, but I made it clear in my post that it was from many years ago anyway.

I've read way more than the 'odd faulty one' posts here regarding JVC's. Have you no clue about the premature lamp dimming issue? There's whole dedicated threads to just that issue. How about the optical block going out?

I've only posted my experience with other manufactures and from what I've read here in AVS, JVC has been far from the most generous in regards to warranty work or work out of warranty.
Edited by fleaman - 11/28/12 at 10:25am
post #4074 of 4435
I just got my X30 setup a couple of weeks ago and I LOVE it! I am still trying to figure out some things, but am really happy with it.

I am running the X30;

  • Ceiling mounted
  • on a drop down tab tensioned Vutec 135" screen
  • off a PS3 for BD (so far that's all)
  • through a Marantz SR7007 and Motion 40s


My problem is that I have it connected by hardline to my home network and it doesnt show up on my computer's home network map under "Media Devices" or any other catagories. The SR7007 shows up and so does my Sonos system. I have the PJ set to "LAN" connection under the settings.

  • Is there something else I need to do? I have verified that the it has a good LAN connection by unhooking the RJ45 at the PJ and pluging in my laptop.


The manual says I should "...contact my network administrator"!!

Thanks, Eric.
post #4075 of 4435
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Originally Posted by EricU View Post

My problem is that I have it connected by hardline to my home network and it doesnt show up on my computer's home network map under "Media Devices" or any other catagories

Eric,

The LAN port allows remote control by sending hex codes over a socket connection. It's a very low-level interface, intended mainly for installers, not consumers.

This document may help:
http://support.jvc.com/consumer/support/documents/DILAremoteControlGuide.pdf

Bob
post #4076 of 4435
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Originally Posted by Bob Whitefield View Post

...The LAN port allows remote control by sending hex codes over a socket connection. It's a very low-level interface, intended mainly for installers, not consumers.
...

So it wont show up on my computer's list of Network devices? Is is definately connected as replies when I ping it from my laptop's comand line prompt.

I thought it would show up in the "Roomie" ap I bought for my Ipad, but it doesn't. When I try to input the PJ's IP address into the Roomie's "add Device" it doesnt seem to work.

I guess I will try it again manually.

I really am enjoying this PJ, but thought that it would have a more readily available way of controlling it through a home network - My Marantz SR7007 is sooo easy to control, why not a PJ?

Eric.
post #4077 of 4435
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Originally Posted by EricU View Post

So it wont show up on my computer's list of Network devices? Is is definately connected as replies when I ping it from my laptop's comand line prompt.
I thought it would show up in the "Roomie" ap I bought for my Ipad, but it doesn't. When I try to input the PJ's IP address into the Roomie's "add Device" it doesnt seem to work.
I guess I will try it again manually.
Correct, it won't show up. There are many, many devices that won't necessarily show up in your computer's list of network devices. That list populates with devices that support UPnP auto-discovery. Many network device aren't necessarily UPnP devices - especially if they're more than a couple of years old.
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Originally Posted by EricU View Post

I really am enjoying this PJ, but thought that it would have a more readily available way of controlling it through a home network - My Marantz SR7007 is sooo easy to control, why not a PJ?
Eric.
The projector is relatively easily controlled via apps like Roomie or iRule, but like Bob mentioned, the JVC projectors are really designed more for the custom install and enthusiast market, so they don't have some of the consumer "plug and play" network capabilities built in.

The Marantz is easy to control because the AVR manufacturers are generally on the leading edge of IP-based control, with many of them supporting IP control and "apps" for the last 3 years or more. Other than a few media players, almost everything else is well behind AVR's in terms of network (IP) control. Just be glad that the JVC is even controllable via IP; there are a great many sat/cable boxes and displays that have internet connectivity, but can't be controlled at all via IP - either because there is no API at all, or because the manufacturer keeps the protocol proprietary. At least JVC designed a decent protocol and makes it available to those who want it. In the grand scheme, there are actually very few devices that are IP controllable and have a thorough and well-documented control protocol.

All that said, there isn't really a big advantage to controlling your projector over IP. Once it's set up, 95% of what you do with it is turn it on and off, recall lens memories, and maybe a couple of other things. You don't need feedback, so IR actually works fine.

SC

PS - If you do end up trying to control the JVC w/Roomie, be aware that the JVC has a 5-second network timeout. Basically, you need to send something to it every 4 seconds or so, or it will drop the connection and you have to reconnect. I don't know if Roomie comprehends that in their control or not, but I thought I'd mention it.
post #4078 of 4435
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Originally Posted by ecrabb View Post

...PS - If you do end up trying to control the JVC w/Roomie, be aware that the JVC has a 5-second network timeout. Basically, you need to send something to it every 4 seconds or so, or it will drop the connection and you have to reconnect. I don't know if Roomie comprehends that in their control or not, but I thought I'd mention it.

Thanks for the information. My hardware is hidden in an AV closet, which I am redoing to have a dark glass door for the equipment.

I haven't found an IR blaster kit that works reliably yet and thought the Roomie would be a nice temp fix. I have a Harmony One in my MBR but there are a few things that I dont like about the H1, plus I would still need an IR blaster.

Just thought by now the IP addressable AV components would have progressed along withe the AVRs. But for now I will still be enjoying my new PJ with the AV equipment closet door cracked open!!

Eric.
post #4079 of 4435
how many have tried the new RF glasses??
post #4080 of 4435
An update on my RS45 repair, for those of you scoring at home...

My projector was received by JVC Long Beach on 10/19, 49 days ago.

After I posted in this thread on 11/26, I got a voicemail from Josie at JVC that evening. After a couple rounds of phone tag, I finally got through to a person.

Butch from JVC told me that if I didn't want to wait until next year for the repair to be completed, I could elect to receive a refurbished model instead. I agreed, so at least I'd have a projector for the holidays.

That was over a week ago, no word from JVC since. The followup message I sent them two days ago remains unanswered.
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