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post #121 of 247
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I received my 60LE6300LE from Dell purchased on Black Friday yesterday.

It looks great except there is a concentrated small white bloch/spot on the right hand side. I don't believe this is spotlighting? Or is this what spotlighting is?

It only seems to be visible on darker scenes. The pictures seem to extenuate the spot more then it appears. I am wondering if I should call Dell and see what the replacement options are? I wonder if the replacement may have something else even worst wrong.

Thanks





post #122 of 247
I went through the service menus and there is nothing scary about them. They allow fine color tuning, option that is not accessible from the user menu on this TV.

There is 10 screens total
Screens 1 and 2 are informational, among other info you can see how many hours TV was used.
Screen 3 is for RF/Video input
4 and 5 for component input color tuning
6 for PC Input color tuning
7 and 8 are for White balance.
9 and 10 some misc settings.

While on the test screen press input button on the remote to select a TV input
Right or Left buttons on the remote change values by 10, volume by 1.

It is a good practice to write down original values before making any changes or make screen picture. Almost all screens have a reset option though.

I'd think that changes to WB settings should affect video from HDMI inputs but it doesn't appear to be the case. I'll play with it more when have time.
post #123 of 247
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Originally Posted by donnymac51 View Post

Press "view mode" on the remote and then select dot by dot.

Thanks, but "dot by dot" is already selected, and I continue to have 4 1/2 % overscan.
post #124 of 247
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Originally Posted by mynym View Post

I received my 60LE6300LE from Dell purchased on Black Friday yesterday.

It looks great except there is a concentrated small white bloch/spot on the right hand side. I don't believe this is spotlighting? Or is this what spotlighting is?

It only seems to be visible on darker scenes. The pictures seem to extenuate the spot more then it appears. I am wondering if I should call Dell and see what the replacement options are? I wonder if the replacement may have something else even worst wrong.

Thanks

Is it possible that you pressed on the screen with your finger when TV was unboxed and set up? If yes then it might go away in few days.
post #125 of 247
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Originally Posted by gordon7 View Post

I went through the service menus and there is nothing scary about them. They allow fine color tuning, option that is not accessible from the user menu on this TV.

There is 10 screens total
Screens 1 and 2 are informational, among other info you can see how many hours TV was used.
Screen 3 is for RF/Video input
4 and 5 for component input color tuning
6 for PC Input color tuning
7 and 8 are for White balance.
9 and 10 some misc settings.

While on the test screen press input button on the remote to select a TV input
Right or Left buttons on the remote change values by 10, volume by 1.

It is a good practice to write down original values before making any changes or make screen picture. Almost all screens have a reset option though.

I'd think that changes to WB settings should affect video from HDMI inputs but it doesn't appear to be the case. I'll play with it more when have time.

So can you color tune the HDMI inputs from the service menu?

I'm have some trouble with colors with live sports.
post #126 of 247
I think there should be another subset of service menus for HDMI. Not sure how to get to them.
post #127 of 247
So I'm back after having it for a few weeks, Just checking in the thread and seeing how things are going. Sorry to see some people are having problems with ghosting.

As far as my personal experience goes, I've had 0 problems except for the manual problem but that was easily rectified. I'm in love with this TV, nothing like playing Gears 3 on this bad boy! I think the stand was an even better deal honestly, Holds up to an 80'' so, I might have to update down the road

I'm using Game Mode most of the time *calibrated to my own tastes* Tron Legacy was awesome to watch, and it's always nice to have friends over and see the look on their face when you open the door and they see this monster sitting there. My nephew had a blast playing Kinect games on it though, coming from his parents 32'', I can only imagine what a 4 year old was thinking when he saw himself super sized on this TV. Anyways, I hope everyone enjoys it and has their problems rectified or figured out, I'm loving every second with this TV and don't regret my purchase for a second!
post #128 of 247
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Originally Posted by G342 View Post

So I'm back after having it for a few weeks, Just checking in the thread and seeing how things are going. Sorry to see some people are having problems with ghosting.

As far as my personal experience goes, I've had 0 problems except for the manual problem but that was easily rectified. I'm in love with this TV, nothing like playing Gears 3 on this bad boy! I think the stand was an even better deal honestly, Holds up to an 80'' so, I might have to update down the road

I'm using Game Mode most of the time *calibrated to my own tastes* Tron Legacy was awesome to watch, and it's always nice to have friends over and see the look on their face when you open the door and they see this monster sitting there. My nephew had a blast playing Kinect games on it though, coming from his parents 32'', I can only imagine what a 4 year old was thinking when he saw himself super sized on this TV. Anyways, I hope everyone enjoys it and has their problems rectified or figured out, I'm loving every second with this TV and don't regret my purchase for a second!

I too love my set BUT my light leakage is starting to annoy me, Initially I felt I could live with it for the great price, etc, but the more content I watch, the more I seem to see it. I think the severity of it is worse than normal (from pics of other people's sets). It kinda looks like someone pressed a thumb onto the right hand edge of the panel and it has a halo effect around it.

The prob is that Amazon doesn't have the set in stock so I can't exchange it for another. I'm going to possibly try an exchange for the LC60E79U which is the comparable CCFL LCD version and see if that works out. It's heavier, thicker, but essentially should have the same PQ and does have 1 extra HDMI + a bit more advanced color tweaking options + a bit cheaper.

I'm happy for those that have good panels as I do love this set, shame I have to swap it. Wish me luck!
post #129 of 247
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Originally Posted by JoeBel View Post

I too love my set BUT my light leakage is starting to annoy me, Initially I felt I could live with it for the great price, etc, but the more content I watch, the more I seem to see it. I think the severity of it is worse than normal (from pics of other people's sets). It kinda looks like someone pressed a thumb onto the right hand edge of the panel and it has a halo effect around it.

The prob is that Amazon doesn't have the set in stock so I can't exchange it for another. I'm going to possibly try an exchange for the LC60E79U which is the comparable CCFL LCD version and see if that works out. It's heavier, thicker, but essentially should have the same PQ and does have 1 extra HDMI + a bit more advanced color tweaking options + a bit cheaper.

I'm happy for those that have good panels as I do love this set, shame I have to swap it. Wish me luck!

Good luck with your swap!
post #130 of 247
I received this TV yesterday and spent most of the day hooking stuff up and rearranging the living room to compensate for its size (upgrade from a 46").

After finally getting everything hooked up and turning the set on, I was at first not wowed. As with others, I thought the picture quality was pretty mediocre until I upgraded the firmware and used the calibration settings provided earlier in this topic, which improved it 100%. Now the picture is marvelous, rich, clear, and more colorful than I was prepared for (in a good way). I expected LCD's had come a long way since I was in the home theater business, but I am really surprised and impressed with how beautiful some of these new sets are. It is definitely a *MASSIVE* improvement over my Toshiba 46RV530U. Blu-ray looks better than ever, with colors being far richer than I am used to, and the motion smoothing technology is a nice gimmick which makes for a fun new TV watching experience. I can definitely say that from a picture quality standpoint the price can't be beat.

With that ringing endorsement out of the way, I am returning the set as soon as possible, with a harsh lesson learned. Why? After my awe died down I noticed some really annoying, gamebreaking problems with the Sharp LC-60LE6300U. My wife is equally shocked at its problems, and she is one of those people that typically replies "I don't see it" when you point out sound or picture issues that you might find glaringly obvious.

a) The clouding on this set is the worst I have ever seen in my life. I know LCD's have always had a problem with clouding and flashlighting, but this is so bad that the TV looks as if it is covered in a thick layer of dust. Whether I am changing input sources, watching a movie with a dark scene, or playing a video game with a night sequence the clouding just stares at you and it is *all* you can see. The main reason I upgraded from my Toshiba was because it had clouding issues too, but they were never as bad this, not even close. The clouding on this TV is so bad that its a dealbreaker by itself.

b) Motion in gaming is subpar. I'm almost positive its worse than my 46RV530U, which was decent with motion. Walking around in an FPS-style game causes pretty noticeable motion blur, to the point that my eyes hurt a little, specifically with ground textures. It's not a dealbreaker but it does frustrate me because one of the primary reasons I bought it was for use as a PC monitor, as I do all my surfing and gaming in the living room.

c) When viewing bright imagery, such as browsing this very website, I notice strange, faint hazes stretched across various areas of the screen. They're immobile, and remain regardless of source. It almost looks like the LCD panel is being ever so slightly compressed from all sides, causing the screen to flex and bend in places, resulting in a gray haze where the screen is lifted away from the backlight. That's my theory anyway. I can't be sure it the hazes correlate with the same places where the clouds are occurring, but it might be related. Either way, it is definitely a dealbreaker because you notice it all the time, faint though it might be.

I ordered this from Brandsmart USA for $1000, and had it delivered for $100. The really disappointing thing about all this is not how terrible the Sharp ended up being, but that because there are no Brandsmart stores in my region, if I want to return it I am going to have to pay for return shipping costs. It was $100 just to get it shipped here, and if I have to pay $100 for a return trip to get my money back, I am now out $200 for a nearly unusable set. I am beyond disappointed in what I ended up with, and curse myself for jumping on a great Cyber Monday deal instead of waiting and researching the product more like I normally would. I'm half-way considering calling Sharp to see what they have to say, because if I have to pay another $100 just to return the TV, I might as well get Sharp on the line to ask for a replacement or repair. I'm not sure what to do just yet, as I've never had hardware issues with a TV, or even had return one.

Given the prevalence of clouding issues with LCD's, and that they still seem to exist in abundance after all these years, this experience has scared me away from LCD TV's. I think I am finally going to jump ship to the Plasma barge and get a nice, cloudless 55-60" Plasma TV. Any suggestions?

P.S. I'll take a picture of the clouding problem when its a little darker outside. My wife likes to have a lot of light in the den during the day.
post #131 of 247
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Originally Posted by Zepheyr View Post

I received this TV yesterday and spent most of the day hooking stuff up and rearranging the living room to compensate for its size (upgrade from a 46").

After finally getting everything hooked up and turning the set on, I was at first not wowed. As with others, I thought the picture quality was pretty mediocre until I upgraded the firmware and used the calibration settings provided earlier in this topic, which improved it 100%. Now the picture is marvelous, rich, clear, and more colorful than I was prepared for (in a good way). I expected LCD's had come a long way since I was in the home theater business, but I am really surprised and impressed with how beautiful some of these new sets are. It is definitely a *MASSIVE* improvement over my Toshiba 46RV530U. Blu-ray looks better than ever, with colors being far richer than I am used to, and the motion smoothing technology is a nice gimmick which makes for a fun new TV watching experience. I can definitely say that from a picture quality standpoint the price can't be beat.

With that ringing endorsement out of the way, I am returning the set as soon as possible, with a harsh lesson learned. Why? After my awe died down I noticed some really annoying, gamebreaking problems with the Sharp LC-60LE6300U. My wife is equally shocked at its problems, and she is one of those people that typically replies "I don't see it" when you point out sound or picture issues that you might find glaringly obvious.

a) The clouding on this set is the worst I have ever seen in my life. I know LCD's have always had a problem with clouding and flashlighting, but this is so bad that the TV looks as if it is covered in a thick layer of dust. Whether I am changing input sources, watching a movie with a dark scene, or playing a video game with a night sequence the clouding just stares at you and it is *all* you can see. The main reason I upgraded from my Toshiba was because it had clouding issues too, but they were never as bad this, not even close. The clouding on this TV is so bad that its a dealbreaker by itself.

b) Motion in gaming is subpar. I'm almost positive its worse than my 46RV530U, which was decent with motion. Walking around in an FPS-style game causes pretty noticeable motion blur, to the point that my eyes hurt a little, specifically with ground textures. It's not a dealbreaker but it does frustrate me because one of the primary reasons I bought it was for use as a PC monitor, as I do all my surfing and gaming in the living room.

c) When viewing bright imagery, such as browsing this very website, I notice strange, faint hazes stretched across various areas of the screen. They're immobile, and remain regardless of source. It almost looks like the LCD panel is being ever so slightly compressed from all sides, causing the screen to flex and bend in places, resulting in a gray haze where the screen is lifted away from the backlight. That's my theory anyway. I can't be sure it the hazes correlate with the same places where the clouds are occurring, but it might be related. Either way, it is definitely a dealbreaker because you notice it all the time, faint though it might be.

I ordered this from Brandsmart USA for $1000, and had it delivered for $100. The really disappointing thing about all this is not how terrible the Sharp ended up being, but that because there are no Brandsmart stores in my region, if I want to return it I am going to have to pay for return shipping costs. It was $100 just to get it shipped here, and if I have to pay $100 for a return trip to get my money back, I am now out $200 for a nearly unusable set. I am beyond disappointed in what I ended up with, and curse myself for jumping on a great Cyber Monday deal instead of waiting and researching the product more like I normally would. I'm half-way considering calling Sharp to see what they have to say, because if I have to pay another $100 just to return the TV, I might as well get Sharp on the line to ask for a replacement or repair. I'm not sure what to do just yet, as I've never had hardware issues with a TV, or even had return one.

Given the prevalence of clouding issues with LCD's, and that they still seem to exist in abundance after all these years, this experience has scared me away from LCD TV's. I think I am finally going to jump ship to the Plasma barge and get a nice, cloudless 55-60" Plasma TV. Any suggestions?

P.S. I'll take a picture of the clouding problem when its a little darker outside. My wife likes to have a lot of light in the den during the day.

I share your dissapointment in the clouding/light leakage that plagues my panel also. I'm going to take a shot and exchange for a comparable CCFL LCD Sharp. Unfortunately edge-lit LED panels without dimming seem to consistently suffer these problems with uniformity.

I had been scouring many other panels after I decided I would do an exchange. If you are going plasma, you cannot beat the value of the Panasonic 60" ST30 series, for a little more you can get the GT30 that has a THX mode and is the next step up.

HOWEVER, like every tech out there, plasmas also have their own issues, green blob/pink tint syndrome, buzzing, image retention, burn-in (it still exists in extreme cases). Browsing through the plasma area of AVS will confirm all these issues are still happening unfortunately.

In terms of consistent LCD LED backlight bleed/leakage/non uniformity/flashlighting issues, it seems the worst tech is the non-dimming edge-lit LEDs than as follows CCFL LCD < edge-lit LED with dimming < Full backlit LED without dimming < Full backlit LED with dimming. But, of course, the price goes up and up as you ramp up the tech in the panel.

You'll never find a perfect panel but maybe one you can accept even if it has little issues.

best of luck, but nice to know I'm not the only one having these issues with the Sharp.
post #132 of 247
For those having problem with color calibration, I highly recommend entering the service menu (instructions were posted earlier in the thread) to adjust.

As far as I can see it can only adjust the component input though.

I was having problems with very bright green football fields and golf courses.

HUGE improvement.
post #133 of 247
What's your settings for component service menus now? Did you adjust in both component menus? I wish we'd know how to get to the service HDMI menu.
post #134 of 247
How do you get into the service menu? The instructions from post #69 do not work for me.
post #135 of 247
Here are some pics from "Tears of the Sun" tonight. I threw in a Sportscenter shot also. I got into the service menu by 1. Unplugging while tv is still on. 2. Plug back in and turn on holding input and vol - buttons. 3. When the green box with a "K" shows on the left side press ch - and vol - buttons simultaneously and release. You cannot adjust HDMI color. I switched my U-verse over to component + optical just so I could adjust the color. Couldn't be more happy. You just have to tinker.









post #136 of 247
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Originally Posted by JoeBel View Post

I share your dissapointment in the clouding/light leakage that plagues my panel also. I'm going to take a shot and exchange for a comparable CCFL LCD Sharp. Unfortunately edge-lit LED panels without dimming seem to consistently suffer these problems with uniformity.

I had been scouring many other panels after I decided I would do an exchange. If you are going plasma, you cannot beat the value of the Panasonic 60" ST30 series, for a little more you can get the GT30 that has a THX mode and is the next step up.

HOWEVER, like every tech out there, plasmas also have their own issues, green blob/pink tint syndrome, buzzing, image retention, burn-in (it still exists in extreme cases). Browsing through the plasma area of AVS will confirm all these issues are still happening unfortunately.

In terms of consistent LCD LED backlight bleed/leakage/non uniformity/flashlighting issues, it seems the worst tech is the non-dimming edge-lit LEDs than as follows CCFL LCD < edge-lit LED with dimming < Full backlit LED without dimming < Full backlit LED with dimming. But, of course, the price goes up and up as you ramp up the tech in the panel.

You'll never find a perfect panel but maybe one you can accept even if it has little issues.

best of luck, but nice to know I'm not the only one having these issues with the Sharp.

I appreciate the advice, and I have been researching the ST30 per your suggestion. It's more expensive than the Sharp, but well worth the money to escape the horrible clouding problems on this set. I am more paranoid now than ever about getting the right TV, so I expect I'll be pouring over these forums for days while I decide what to get.
post #137 of 247
Has anyone gone thru an actual calibration disk with this tv? I have done so using both the avia DVD and Disney wow blu ray. I have had no problems getting an accurate rating for tint, color, sharpness, but cannot narrow down contrast and brightness.

For both these settings on the Disney wow Blu ray, there is a checkered step pattern from -5 to +5%, and you should get it so 1 is visible but 0 isn't. On most tvs this is real easy. On this one though, once I get to 2.5% it makes no difference, the screen gets brighter or the contrast gets deeper, but the checker pattern doesn't adjust. Meaning there's no distinction in black levels.

So first, this makes it a bitch to calibrate. Second, even if I do calibrate it properly (which i think i finally have) the black levels on this set will be very poor. Black is black, but almost black also becomes black.

So has anyone else used these calibration disks and seen the same thing?



Either way, I think I'm returning this set for a plasma. Even with motion smoothing on high, the motion blur is annoying. That lack of black level clarity is obviously pissing me off. The inability to pass audio from hdmi to optical forces me to use the RCA outs, and that seems to add minor lip sync issues.
post #138 of 247
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post #139 of 247
So I am reading through the thread here and seems some folks are having issues with connecting audio equipment to the tv. I currently don't have anything to hook up, but I'd like to get something this holiday season. Can anyone say what types of audio connection will work with this tv? I want to get something that I can get better audio from my 360, blueray player and cable box. Any recommendations would be appreciated. I don't have a large budget after the tv purchase
post #140 of 247
The motion blur on this set also pushed me to order a plasma and return it.

I watch my Samsung LN46B750 from about 5-6 feet away, then go look at the Sharp 60 at 12 feet and the Sharp just is inferior. What gets me is that the Samsung is 3 years old.

Maybe I just got a bad sample of the Sharp, but I feel like the video processing quality was sacrificed in order to get an inexpensive 60 panel.

Went with the PN59D7000 from Samsung.....but ended up spending almost double.
post #141 of 247
Got this TV during the sales. Used the setting in the second post to dial it in. Love the picture. Love the size. Hope i get more than 3.5 years out of it unlike my last 47" Philips.
post #142 of 247
Please explain what clouding means. I haven't heard that before.

While you bought it from Brandsmart, it probably came from a distribution center closer to you than their closest store. That's why you paid only $100 for delivery, my guess is that it's going to cost you a whole lot more than $100 if you have to ship it to Brandsmart.

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Originally Posted by Zepheyr View Post

I received this TV yesterday and spent most of the day hooking stuff up and rearranging the living room to compensate for its size (upgrade from a 46").

a) The clouding on this set is the worst I have ever seen in my life. I know LCD's have always had a problem with clouding and flashlighting, but this is so bad that the TV looks as if it is covered in a thick layer of dust. Whether I am changing input sources, watching a movie with a dark scene, or playing a video game with a night sequence the clouding just stares at you and it is *all* you can see. The main reason I upgraded from my Toshiba was because it had clouding issues too, but they were never as bad this, not even close. The clouding on this TV is so bad that its a dealbreaker by itself.

I ordered this from Brandsmart USA for $1000, and had it delivered for $100. The really disappointing thing about all this is not how terrible the Sharp ended up being, but that because there are no Brandsmart stores in my region, if I want to return it I am going to have to pay for return shipping costs. It was $100 just to get it shipped here, and if I have to pay $100 for a return trip to get my money back, I am now out $200 for a nearly unusable set. I am beyond disappointed in what I ended up with, and curse myself for jumping on a great Cyber Monday deal instead of waiting and researching the product more like I normally would. I'm half-way considering calling Sharp to see what they have to say, because if I have to pay another $100 just to return the TV, I might as well get Sharp on the line to ask for a replacement or repair. I'm not sure what to do just yet, as I've never had hardware issues with a TV, or even had return one.
post #143 of 247
[quote=Scubadiver;21332539]Please explain what clouding means. I haven't heard that before.
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You can see an example of clouding on an image I posted on page 3 of this forum... I am in the midst of returning my set back to Amazon now. After staring at the "clouding" / spot-lighting I just could *not* unsee it, and watching dark scenes (ala "Sunshine") it was clearly visible expeccially in the black bars. For now, I found a nice deal of a Panny ST30 and give that a try.
post #144 of 247
I had to see if I made the right choice with this TV…I had to see if motion blur was actually bad compared to what else I could have.
I went to Fry's and got a Plasma... Panasonic TC-P60S30 for $1200. I chose this because it has a very non-reflective, matte screen when compared to other Plasmas. I decided to put it side by side with my Sharp and return one of them while within the 30 day policy. Here are my findings:
-The color on my Sharp is 'almost' as good as the Plasma. The plasma is a little more rich, but honestly, the Sharp looks pretty darn good. I don't know if this can be fixed in the service menu adjustments, but the REDs on my sharp seem a bit orange. Then again, they look identical to my Macbook... The reds on the plasma look brilliant tho. For those who claim that they are WAY off, you may want to try the service menu…I was lucky enough to not need to.
-The plasma does show more fine detail...on pictures of flowers, there were some shadows and dark contours that I did not notice as much on the sharp.
-The sharp has better blacks (which really surprised me! Plasmas are supposed to have better blacks)...honestly I've never seen a TV with blacks as nice as this sharp. I don't know how some people claim that the blacks are not good.
-The sharp has MUCH better whites. When bringing up websites with black text on white background, I find myself having a harder time staring at the plasma.I think this is due to the plasma’s dull whites, and the screen flicker (more on that below). I don’t know if this is common for plasmas…the brightness setting does not handle any sort of backlight on the Panasonic. I’m not familiar with Plasma technology, but it’s as if there is no backlight to adjust.
-Input lag: almost non-existant on both sets, with smoothing on or off. I was playing Assassin's Creed, and dragging windows around the desktop while taking pictures of both sets MIRRORED (showing the same output from my PC). Side by side, the image would be just a tiny bit ahead on the plasma, but the difference was so small I don't think it could make a difference for online gaming…it was about what I’d expected comparing a plasma to LCD.
-Image blur (ghosting). This is the main reason I wanted to try a Plasma. Side by side, the sharp does have more blur than the plasma, but not a TON more. I noticed a little on the Plasma too. I notice it quite a bit on the sharp when dragging around text boxes and graphics / windows. However, while watching blu ray animations, I didn’t notice the issue on either set…more so during PC use, and sometimes during gaming.
-Screen flicker: Obviously non-existant on the LED sharp...no LCD screens have this issue. I didn't realize Plasmas have it, but they do. And a minority of people (myself included) can see it...Most people will never see this issue on a plasma, but to me...I feel like I'm staring at an old CRT at 60hz...I don't think I can use the plasma for web browsing because of the flicker, and the lack of WHITE color on the screen...just easier to read on the Sharp after staring for long periods.
-So far, I'm thinking I will return the Panasonic Plasma, and keep the Sharp. They both have their ups and downs. This comparison helped me to feel justified in the $1,000 price for the sharp. I'll give it a few more days before I make my final decision.
*update* - it seems the Plasma IS capable of creating good whites like the sharp...until you expand the color white to the full screen, then it goes dull. It's as if the Plasma cannot handle creating the bright white output for more than a section of the screen. Maybe this is not an issue for more expensive plasmas with more graphic control, but in this case, I will just keep the sharp. I do too much web browsing to deal with that issue.
post #145 of 247
For those having clouding/Spotlighting/backlight leakage...

What are your backlight and brightness settings?

If you purchase an Edge lit TV you're more than likely going to have some of these issues inherently. If you turn your backlight and brightness down from torch mode ( I believe I have mine set to a negative value for movies) you can minimize this as much as possible. In a dark room, with my backlight down in the negatives, it's still more than bright enough and it eliminated any visible leakage on 2.40:1 source material (black bars). Yes, in a completely black room with a black screen there still is some minor clouding etc. but is acceptable. IMO that the nature of the beast. With a full 16:9 source it's a non issue.

I highly encourage those with non 1080p sources (Most cable, satellite and IPTV. U-Verse for me) to switch from HDMI to a component video + optical audio setup. Then adjust your colors through the service menu. I was espectially disappointed with the colors on football games and live sports in general. I couldn't get rid of the neon green football fields and hot reds without washing the rest of the picture out. Now everything is spot on and I couldn't be happier with my $1000 60". My girlfriend is tired of hearing me talk about how pleased I am ... Those saying the blacks are not accurate cannot have their settings correct. This is the best blacks I've had on a TV. No joke.

If anyone is interested, I will post my service menu settings this evening.
post #146 of 247
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Originally Posted by ztbishop View Post

I had to see if I made the right choice with this TV…I had to see if motion blur was actually bad compared to what else I could have.
I went to Fry's and got a Plasma... Panasonic TC-P60S30 for $1200. I chose this because it has a very non-reflective, matte screen when compared to other Plasmas. I decided to put it side by side with my Sharp and return one of them while within the 30 day policy. Here are my findings:
-The color on my Sharp is 'almost' as good as the Plasma. The plasma is a little more rich, but honestly, the Sharp looks pretty darn good. I don't know if this can be fixed in the service menu adjustments, but the REDs on my sharp seem a bit orange. Then again, they look identical to my Macbook... The reds on the plasma look brilliant tho. For those who claim that they are WAY off, you may want to try the service menu…I was lucky enough to not need to.
-The plasma does show more fine detail...on pictures of flowers, there were some shadows and dark contours that I did not notice as much on the sharp.
-The sharp has better blacks (which really surprised me! Plasmas are supposed to have better blacks)...honestly I've never seen a TV with blacks as nice as this sharp. I don't know how some people claim that the blacks are not good.
-The sharp has MUCH better whites. When bringing up websites with black text on white background, I find myself having a harder time staring at the plasma.I think this is due to the plasma’s dull whites, and the screen flicker (more on that below). I don’t know if this is common for plasmas…the brightness setting does not handle any sort of backlight on the Panasonic. I’m not familiar with Plasma technology, but it’s as if there is no backlight to adjust.
-Input lag: almost non-existant on both sets, with smoothing on or off. I was playing Assassin's Creed, and dragging windows around the desktop while taking pictures of both sets MIRRORED (showing the same output from my PC). Side by side, the image would be just a tiny bit ahead on the plasma, but the difference was so small I don't think it could make a difference for online gaming…it was about what I’d expected comparing a plasma to LCD.
-Image blur (ghosting). This is the main reason I wanted to try a Plasma. Side by side, the sharp does have more blur than the plasma, but not a TON more. I noticed a little on the Plasma too. I notice it quite a bit on the sharp when dragging around text boxes and graphics / windows. However, while watching blu ray animations, I didn’t notice the issue on either set…more so during PC use, and sometimes during gaming.
-Screen flicker: Obviously non-existant on the LED sharp...no LCD screens have this issue. I didn't realize Plasmas have it, but they do. And a minority of people (myself included) can see it...Plasmas really do operate at 60hz. 600 is a marketing gimmick...something about 10x60hz...not sure how they justify it. Most people will never see this issue on a plasma, but to me...I feel like I'm staring at an old CRT at 60hz...I don't think I can use the plasma for web browsing because of the flicker, and the lack of WHITE color on the screen...just easier to read on the Sharp after staring for long periods.
-So far, I'm thinking I will return the Panasonic Plasma, and keep the Sharp. They both have their ups and downs. This comparison helped me to feel justified in the $1,000 price for the sharp. I'll give it a few more days before I make my final decision.
*update* - it seems the Plasma IS capable of creating good whites like the sharp...until you expand the color white to the full screen, then it goes dull. It's as if the Plasma cannot handle creating the bright white output for more than a section of the screen. Maybe this is not an issue for more expensive plasmas with more graphic control, but in this case, I will just keep the sharp. I do too much web browsing to deal with that issue.

Great informative post for those that are looking to make a swap for another panel. Thanks for taking the time to post your comparisons.

That Panny S30 is the lower end of the Viera series. I would love to see a comparison of the ST30 series or the GT30 series. But, obviously you are going to be adding another $500-$1000 to what you paid for the Sharp. I feel the vaule you're getting with the Sharp is great, just wish edge-lit LED's didn't suffer the excessive light leakage issues. It's so hit or miss I think I missed on mine unfortunately.

FYI your panel wasn't quite properly aged yet on the Plasma so you might have some minor result changes after a break-in period ages the phosphors evenly.
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Hey guys, I'm new to AVS and this is my first post. Just wanted to share my experience with this TV.

I'm from Mexico and i just bought this one two days ago. I'm coming from a Samsung 46" LCD, i think it was the LA46A550. Pretty good set, considering I got it 3 years ago.

First of all, the thing is huge. Fortunately my wall mount worked perfectly with the Sharp and installing it was a breeze. The size just feels right for a small TV Room.

I didn't even tried to watch any source without adjusting the settings, so I directly copied the settings of the Amazon guy mentioned here. I have HD cable through component, and Xbox360 an PS3 through HDMI. I have an old Sony Home Theater that's still holding up pretty well, and i have the cable through RCA and Xbox/PS3 through Optical (I have to constantly switch the cable since it only has 1 optical input, hope to upgrade soon).

First thing, I tried the Xbox. The 360's interface (even the new one) has always been kind of ugly to me, but it helped me to tweak the settings to my own taste. Some temperature and sharpness changes and I was ready to fire up a game! Assassin's Creed Revelations was already in so i gave it a try.

WOW. That was my first impression, it's a HUGE change of size and detail. colors look warm and wonderful, details pop up awesome and motion, after some more tweaking just feels right.

The light on this set is quite a change from my old LCD, I had to adjust de backlight and brightness/contrast because my eyes started to feel like when you stare directly into a light bulb.

After that, I played some Modern Warfare 3, some further tweaking, and everything was perfect. The blacks on this set are incredible, this are the best blacks I've had on a TV and while THER IS some light leaking, clouding and light spots, specially in black loading screens and source change, this can be solved almost 100% by reducing the backlight to a confortable level.

The I jumped to my PS3, wich I mainly use for Blurays, and i popped in Avatar. This is where i was completely satisfied with my purchase. It just looks amazing!! Then again, I had to do some tweaks because I dont like to watch games with the same settings as movies. The colors are awesome, the green felt a little bit too green so I adjusted the Tint. I've never liked the "Soap Opera Effect" but it is good that this set lets you adjust the leve you want, so I think Standar looks great, not no slow, not to fast, just right.

Trust me, the colors and detail are mind blowing. If you have the chance, try the scene where Jake is lost in the jungle in the middle of the night and is fighting some dogs with fire. Dark scenes look great with the right settings, no motion blur at all!

Finally i watched some HD cable, which I personally dont do much. The HD content looks pretty good, but as with most HD TV sets nowadays, SD content looks barely ok. I think that the motion blur has a lot to do with the conection, since Component input seems to have A LOT. But then again, I dont watch that much TV.

Overall, I'm really happy with my new TV, I yet have to use it more and finish with the tweaks. I think it was an awesome deal at $14,000 pesos (about $1,000 USD) considering that TVs here in Mexico are way more overpriced than in USA (sometimes almost the double of the price).

But there is one thing you have to consider in order to fully enjoy this TV. You have to know what you are buying, this is not a High End set, nor tries to be the best LED TV out there. It just might the best tv you can get for that money and it has a better quality than many other tv in the price range.

I recommend it !

Thank's for reading!
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B_Ballou, I would like to see the settings you mentioned. The Panny was actually a display model from Frys, so I think it was broken in. They had the next step up for $500 more, but I can't see myself spending much over 1K on a TV.
I noticed you're from Indianapolis too. Have you watched the colts on this set? I have not brought myself to try it yet...I cry myself to sleep every night after I hear the score. But hey, maybe season tickets will be cheap next year!

For those who have adjusted colors via service menu, are you SURE that none of those screens carry over to HDMI settings? I've been trying to find out if there is a 2nd service menu dedicated to HDMI, but so far I have found nothing.
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Originally Posted by ztbishop View Post

B_Ballou, I would like to see the settings you mentioned. The Panny was actually a display model from Frys, so I think it was broken in. They had the next step up for $500 more, but I can't see myself spending much over 1K on a TV.
I noticed you're from Indianapolis too. Have you watched the colts on this set? I have not brought myself to try it yet...I cry myself to sleep every night after I hear the score. But hey, maybe season tickets will be cheap next year!

For those who have adjusted colors via service menu, are you SURE that none of those screens carry over to HDMI settings? I've been trying to find out if there is a 2nd service menu dedicated to HDMI, but so far I have found nothing.

I watched football on this TV every weekend since I picked it up at HH Gregg on Black Friday.

Blurays via HDMI looked great and the XBOX via HDMI also looked great. But Football did not look good (Not bc the Colts play on the field!)

The field was neon, the reds were overpowering, the yellows (Packers and Steelers uniforms) were screaming. With the standard menu I could get the field down to a decent green, but the rest of the picture would be very washed out.

I was disappointed not to find HDMI in the service menu but since UVerse is not 1080p I just switched to component + optical audio. After some tinkering, WOW what a difference!

Football looks excellent now. NBC Sunday Night Football seems to be the best. The grass looks natural and the uniforms are realistic. The player detail seems to have improved on the wide shots since the green field isn't dominating the picture anymore.

Now if the play on the field would improve I'd be in business!!
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Originally Posted by ztbishop View Post

B_Ballou, I would like to see the settings you mentioned. The Panny was actually a display model from Frys, so I think it was broken in. They had the next step up for $500 more, but I can't see myself spending much over 1K on a TV.
I noticed you're from Indianapolis too. Have you watched the colts on this set? I have not brought myself to try it yet...I cry myself to sleep every night after I hear the score. But hey, maybe season tickets will be cheap next year!

For those who have adjusted colors via service menu, are you SURE that none of those screens carry over to HDMI settings? I've been trying to find out if there is a 2nd service menu dedicated to HDMI, but so far I have found nothing.

Oh ok on the break-in of the Panny, didn't know it was a display model. Glad the Sharp held up so well vs the plasma. If you get minimal light leakage & your happy with the color calibrations I feel this Sharp is such an awesome value.
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