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post #151 of 247
Here is a picture of the service menu. I'll have to double check, but I think these are the color values that I ended with also. I only adjusted the gain values.

post #152 of 247
Well guys, just jumped ship and ordered a Panasonic TC-P60ST30, came out to almost the same as what I paid BF for this tv by purchasing through amazon and the discover promo that u can check out at slickdeals.net. Will do a comparison when I have them side by side, and try to keep you guys updated.
post #153 of 247
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Originally Posted by view402 View Post

Well guys, just jumped ship and ordered a Panasonic TC-P60ST30, came out to almost the same as what I paid BF for this tv by purchasing through amazon and the discover promo that u can check out at slickdeals.net. Will do a comparison when I have them side by side, and try to keep you guys updated.

I'm still debating on if I want to get the 60 ST30 for a little bit more, hmmmm. Great set, I'm sure you'll love yours, do let us know how they compare in your opinion.

Why did you decide on the return, just wondering, did you have light leakage probs like I do?
post #154 of 247
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Originally Posted by JoeBel View Post

I'm still debating on if I want to get the 60 ST30 for a little bit more, hmmmm. Great set, I'm sure you'll love yours, do let us know how they compare in your opinion.

Why did you decide on the return, just wondering, did you have light leakage probs like I do?

Well it was a few things actually. For one, on dot-by-dot mode, we are seeing the blue lines, some have said it is the CC signal, but it is on a lot of the channels from our directv receiver, and never experienced this problem before the Sharp.

Also, not being able to dial in the colors on the hdmi ports is a big problem, since I've got everything going through an onkyo receiver to one hdmi in on the tv, and no options in the service menu for the fine tune adjustments.

Coming from a samsung dlp, the motion blur is very noticeable for us, and these three issues, every one has noticed and commented on in the family, including those who I will politely put as "tech ignorant" which is saying something.

The light leakage for the most part can be noticed if looked closely enough, but not too bad.

Originally we said LCD w LED back lighting since the room during the day gets pretty bright, and most of the plasmas act like a big mirror and do not get bright enough, but from what I have read, Panasonic does a good job with their anti-glare filter, and a few tweaks on the set gets it pretty bright as well.

I'll try to get you guys some more feedback. Honestly we wern't looking to spend much more than we already did with the Sharp, and I can say that with the deals going on right now, in the end I paid about $100 more than what this TV was going on during BF, so well within the budget.
post #155 of 247
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Originally Posted by view402 View Post

Well guys, just jumped ship and ordered a Panasonic TC-P60ST30, came out to almost the same as what I paid BF for this tv by purchasing through amazon and the discover promo that u can check out at slickdeals.net. Will do a comparison when I have them side by side, and try to keep you guys updated.

We ended up doing the same thing. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, we tried to get past the Sharp's clouding problems and the motion blur, but just couldn't do it. We watch a lot of movies, which unfortunately makes the clouds constantly visible (within the black bars), and play a lot of video games, which was a constant reminder of the Sharp's poor motion. Turning motion enhancement to high gave foreground characters the soap opera effect (which I like) but did nothing for background textures. We decided to return the Sharp and ordered a P60ST30 off Amazon--got a great deal and didn't pay much more than we did for the Sharp, plus got free shipping.

For the good price and massive size, this really is a fantastic set and should be an upgrade for a lot of people. The colors are great for an LCD, the black levels are better than average, and the picture is bright and really pops out at you. But we're too picky for our own good, and know what we like, and the Sharp just didn't cut it for us. I'll submit though, that other than the set's inherently bad motion blur I think our clouding problems were simply the result of bad luck. All edge-lit LCDs have the potential for this problem, so I don't blame Sharp specifically. Unfortunately all the LCDs we've owned *have* had clouding problems. Our Samsung TVs have been the best about it, but our Toshiba and our Sharp were both quite bad, with Sharp being the worst. Our LG computer monitors don't have clouding problems, but they all suffer from bad flashlighting. This was kind of the last straw that pushed us over to plasma. I don't have it in me to keep playing the LCD lottery.
post #156 of 247
Don't be too quick to write off Sharp LED-LCD off you list based on your experience with LE6300U. As you know I struggled with "toxic green" effect on my set, and without any ability to adjust colors ended up returning it back to the store. I've been reading reviews on Amazon for 60LE632U and noticed that most people happy with it so I decided to give Sharp another shot and got 60LE632U instead of my greenish 6900U. What a difference! On LE6300U besides "toxic green" I had very well visible cloudiness. I could see clouds on the dark movie scenes in a very good lit room, even more pronounceable in a evening. 632U's screen almost uniform in this respect, I need to be in total dark, stare on the screen without any input signal, and then I'd see a weak spot size of a palm of my hand in the left bottom corner. I don't care about internet apps though, my WD Live + player is light years ahead of Sharp internet apps. Out of the box color balance on 60LE632U looks good, it has pretty advanced color controls, I plan to play with them when have time and Disney WOW. I made few screenshots (sun light reflecting from the right side of the TV)





I suspect that Sharp packages less capable panels into cheaper sets like 6300. If you got lucky with your 6300 and it doesn't experience extreme cloudiness/flashlighting, and has decent color balance then you've got a keeper. Otherwise dump it and look at other Sharp models before going with plasma or much more expensive sets
post #157 of 247
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Just curious if anyone has tried flashing the LC60LE632U Firmware on our 6300s? Having those extended color settings would be quite nice
post #158 of 247
I've had this TV for three nights now and I think I'm going to return it. Two reasons: motion blur and clouding.

I've tried turning down the backlight, brightness, and contrast to try and reduce the clouding but it is still very noticable on dark scenes. Especially in the corners and a large part of the upper-lefthand part of the screen. On my old Samsung LCD there is some clouding but I only noticed it when changing inputs or having no input. On the Sharp I notice clouding even when watching TV, playing Xbox, etc.

The motion blur wasn't apparent to me right away but I've started to notice it more and more. It's most obvious when watching TV on people's faces as they are moving around. I've played around the the settings to try and eliminate this but nothing has helped this issue.

Other than those two issues I like the Sharp but I don't know if I can live with these issues.
post #159 of 247
Turning off motion enhancement should take care about motion blur. Is it On or OFF on your TV? Nothing can be done about clouding though.
post #160 of 247
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Originally Posted by gordon7 View Post

Turning off motion enhancement should take care about motion blur. Is it On or OFF on your TV? Nothing can be done about clouding though.

weird, i thought motion blur was improved with motion enhancement on. isnt that the point? thats what i noticed at least when i was fudging with the settings.

i'm returning mine. going with the panasonic 3d plasma instead. its 300 bucks more, but i know what i am getting with plasma and it fits my preferences much better.
post #161 of 247
Couple of?

1 if we r turning it off what is the motion enhancement for.

2 what is this talk of going from 60hz to 120hz to 240hz?

3. Is turning off motion enhancement the only way to reduce motion blur

4.how do I turn on this game viper mode. Is it just turning on the game mode on av mode?

Also, I talked to the guy at best buy. He actually seemed knowledgeable. Anyway, according to him, TV's do not have good audio processors. The optical out does not work w/ hdmi. On TV's where it might work it reduces the surround to 2 channel stereo. Not sure of accuracy just what I have been told.
post #162 of 247
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Originally Posted by Mike_Stuewe View Post

Has anyone gone thru an actual calibration disk with this tv? I have done so using both the avia DVD and Disney wow blu ray. I have had no problems getting an accurate rating for tint, color, sharpness, but cannot narrow down contrast and brightness.

For both these settings on the Disney wow Blu ray, there is a checkered step pattern from -5 to +5%, and you should get it so 1 is visible but 0 isn't. On most tvs this is real easy. On this one though, once I get to 2.5% it makes no difference, the screen gets brighter or the contrast gets deeper, but the checker pattern doesn't adjust. Meaning there's no distinction in black levels.

So first, this makes it a bitch to calibrate. Second, even if I do calibrate it properly (which i think i finally have) the black levels on this set will be very poor. Black is black, but almost black also becomes black.

So has anyone else used these calibration disks and seen the same thing?



Either way, I think I'm returning this set for a plasma. Even with motion smoothing on high, the motion blur is annoying. That lack of black level clarity is obviously pissing me off. The inability to pass audio from hdmi to optical forces me to use the RCA outs, and that seems to add minor lip sync issues.

I'm having the same problem. I've tried multiple discs (DVE, Spears & Munsil, AVS HD 709) and multiple players to rule out any component clippling the signal but I can't get brightness/contrast right.

Has anyone been able to see all the black levels that we are supposed to see with a calibration disk?
post #163 of 247
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Originally Posted by gye View Post

I'm having the same problem. I've tried multiple discs (DVE, Spears & Munsil, AVS HD 709) and multiple players to rule out any component clippling the signal but I can't get brightness/contrast right.

Has anyone been able to see all the black levels that we are supposed to see with a calibration disk?

Black level distinction problems and motion blur, especially in faces, is why I returned it. Mine had a pretty even backlight and stills looked life-like, but the blur bothered me too much. I tweaked and tried to get it to my liking for 3 weeks with no sucess. I ended up getting an LG plasma, but I am disappointed with it's brightness limiter, so I guess the grass isn't always greener...
post #164 of 247
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Originally Posted by gye View Post

I'm having the same problem. I've tried multiple discs (DVE, Spears & Munsil, AVS HD 709) and multiple players to rule out any component clippling the signal but I can't get brightness/contrast right.

Has anyone been able to see all the black levels that we are supposed to see with a calibration disk?

I have not been able to get the black levels right. Turning up the backlight seemed to help me a little when playing video games with dark scenes.
post #165 of 247
Just called Amazon to return it. It was a tough decision because I don't think I can get another 60-inch TV for anywhere near what I paid for this one on the Black Friday sale. So for now, back to the 42-inch plasma .
post #166 of 247
Still mulling this set over, although the longer I have it, the less I worry about the light leakage/clouding I have. Also the more tweaks I do to the settings, the better the picture seems to get. I'd even dare to say the light leakage/clouding has gotten much better with my daily tinkerings. It's like I'm going to find my sweet spot soon.

I have also been doing some very intense research on any other possible 60" panel (plasma, LED, CCFL) that interests me, including the Panasonic ST30 or the Sharp LCD CCFL counterpart of this set, LC60E79U, so many others.

I've come to the conclusion (that I pretty much knew from the start) that there are (mild to severe) possible problems with every other panel I've researched. Sometimes you are lucky & sometimes you are unlucky. I feel like I am taking a gamble by trying another set for better or worse & letting this one go.

FYI I am not a sports guy either so those that are having trouble with the motion, I still haven't experienced any issues with blurring. The price I got the panel for was also amazing and I almost feel petty about nit-picking it to death, at the great value I got for my $.

I'm interested to hear more user input a few weeks in, after the initial "new shiny toy" effect wears off. I have until the end of January so will still keep my eyes open on deals but I won't be sad if I don't find anything that matches the value I already have.
post #167 of 247
I posted my settings in a Amazon review but I figured I'd post them here as well. The settings from the first page in this thread looked too bluish to me.

AV Mode: User

OPC: Off
Backlight: 5
Contrast: 27
Brightness: 8
Color: -3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 1

Under Advanced

Color Temp: Low
Motion Enhancement: Off
Film Mode: Standard
Active Contrast: On
Digital Noise Reduction: Off
post #168 of 247
I also can't get the TV speakers to work.... My amp speakers work great....
post #169 of 247
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Originally Posted by gye View Post

I posted my settings in a Amazon review but I figured I'd post them here as well. The settings from the first page in this thread looked too bluish to me.

AV Mode: User

OPC: Off
Backlight: 5
Contrast: 27
Brightness: 8
Color: -3
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 1

Under Advanced

Color Temp: Low
Motion Enhancement: Off
Film Mode: Standard
Active Contrast: On
Digital Noise Reduction: Off

Thanks for the settings, the only thing I felt is that the brightness is a bit too high, I have mine at 4 under the "user" setting and usually don't go over that. How are your blacks with your brightness/backlight at those levels in a dark room?
post #170 of 247
Just had this set professionally calibrated. You have to use the service menu to get to some of them, and there is NO gamma adjustment available.
post #171 of 247
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Originally Posted by JoeBel View Post

Thanks for the settings, the only thing I felt is that the brightness is a bit too high, I have mine at 4 under the "user" setting and usually don't go over that. How are your blacks with your brightness/backlight at those levels in a dark room?

Not very good but those are the settings where I could see the 2%-above-black bar in the pluge test pattern. For sure, black levels are the Achilles' heels of this set.
post #172 of 247
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Originally Posted by zztinker View Post

I also can't get the TV speakers to work.... My amp speakers work great....


Fixed it,....
post #173 of 247
Is it possible to turn off the speakers on this TV? I want all audio to come from my sound system.

I searched the menu's and only found "Audio Only"........which TURNS OFF THE SCREEN! (Who's idea was that feature?)
post #174 of 247
I can get this TV for 949.99 Shipped, would it be worth buying or wait for something else. I will be using it for XBOX 360 and movies, I barley watch tv.
post #175 of 247
It's a good TV for the money, just make sure you have an option to return it if something is wrong.
post #176 of 247
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Originally Posted by view402 View Post

Well guys, just jumped ship and ordered a Panasonic TC-P60ST30, came out to almost the same as what I paid BF for this tv by purchasing through amazon and the discover promo that u can check out at slickdeals.net. Will do a comparison when I have them side by side, and try to keep you guys updated.

I too jumped ship to the 55" GT30......there is litereally no comparison. I really wanted this TV to be worth it, 900 for 60" would have been great, but the quality was simply subpar, coming from a 3 YEAR OLD samsung LED. The panasonic plasmas are stunning. I did the break in and did reference settings found at ************** D-Nice post and it is literally film quality picture.

I do a lot of gaming too, and compared to the Sharp, the Panny handles motion like a champ and the colors do not appear over staurated. If anyone has any questions about direct comparison, let me know.
post #177 of 247
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Originally Posted by Aceball View Post


I too jumped ship to the 55" GT30......there is litereally no comparison. I really wanted this TV to be worth it, 900 for 60" would have been great, but the quality was simply subpar, coming from a 3 YEAR OLD samsung LED. The panasonic plasmas are stunning. I did the break in and did reference settings found at ************** D-Nice post and it is literally film quality picture.

I do a lot of gaming too, and compared to the Sharp, the Panny handles motion like a champ and the colors do not appear over staurated. If anyone has any questions about direct comparison, let me know.

Picked up an st30 and am also blown away. It was a hassle returning the sharp but I am so very glad I did. Haven't had the time to do anything more than an eyeball calibration but the black levels are already better than the sharp.

The sharp was ok for what it cost, for a few hundred more this is better for me even with the downfalls of plasma tvs.
post #178 of 247
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Originally Posted by ajbent86 View Post

Is it possible to turn off the speakers on this TV? I want all audio to come from my sound system.

I searched the menu's and only found "Audio Only"........which TURNS OFF THE SCREEN! (Who's idea was that feature?)

Just turn the volume down. I installed a digital optical cable from the TV to my reciever with great results....
post #179 of 247
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Originally Posted by zztinker View Post

Just turn the volume down. I installed a digital optical cable from the TV to my reciever with great results....

I remember there was a setting for turning the internal speakers off, it wasnt under audio but one of the setup submenu's.
post #180 of 247
I just entered the flat screen world on Black Friday with this Sharp. Obviously it is a new world coming from a 32" CRT. I love the size and the colors are great...but I have noticed some motion blur during football games. I plan to download the latest firmware, attempt to get into the service menu and tone down the greens and the yellows on the football field. It is a little confusin g as to why there is less motion blur with the motion enhancement turned off????? Anyway, for the money, I am happy with my purchase....especialy for $999. However, I probably don't know any better since this is my first flat screen. This unit should be fine for a few years until I decide to upgrade. If anyone has any detailed instructions of how to update the firmware....please post.
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