The end of AMD vs Intel - Page 3

Originally Posted by Abula

Personally im skipping all the E lines, i dont see much gain on i7 3930K, yes its faster than i7 2600k, only under certain scenarios, like using all the cores/threads. The average user is fine with a dual core.... SB quads are really good and capable cpus, personally i would wait for Ivy bridge 1155 socket, im hopping the i7 3770K will sell below $350, instead of the i7 3930K $650, atm all we talk is speculation, but i expect both cpus to have very similar or at least comparable performance, just the ivy bridge will be in quad core with much lower power consumption a built in gpu and half the price, and being quad i think most apps will take more advantage on it than on six core. You could also argue that ivy bridge E would also be in the horizon and probably with 8 core.... but this is probably ends of next year, and the same scenario will repeast as you will also have Haswell a couple of months apart, again all pure speculation, but thats how im seeing the cpu market atm.

A final though, Intel really needs to revert their releases to have E line before the standard line to make sense spending that much on CPUs.

Originally Posted by Mac The Knife

And Microsoft is setting up a situation where hardware that runs Win 8 can be completely locked down by the combination of requiring UEFI to require secure boot and the high probability of a Win 8 apps store. With that combination they can completely lock down Win 8 hardware.

Originally Posted by Mfusick

Thanks for the comments.

I will also be interested to see how the Ivy Bridge stacks up price and performance wise..

Originally Posted by Ambush083

I'm not an AMD fan, but I used to be. Sorry fellas, I've been doing some talking with enthusiasts and reading a lot. It is possible AMD will surpass Intel. Intel has a good roadmap, but I think they are in a cruise control mindset right now.

Originally Posted by archibael

I know this sounds entirely like bluster, but if you think we've got a "cruise control" mentality right now, you don't know us very well.

Even if AMD were suddenly vanished from the market, people forget that we still have to be able to convince people that they "need" the latest and greatest CPU in their machine to replace the old one-- and for that you need constant, visible improvements and the right price point.

Fabs run better and for higher profits when they are full, and you can't fill them if you price your devices so high that people stop buying.

Originally Posted by omgitswes

I wonder how much this will drive up Ivy Bridge prices when it comes out

Originally Posted by omgitswes

I wonder how much this will drive up Ivy Bridge prices when it comes out

Originally Posted by Mfusick

I was thinking the opposite; Ivy would bring down current i5 and i7's making them better values.

I have been eyeing an Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz LGA 1155 chip $319 -VS.- Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz @ $224. -VS.- the new i7 LGA 2011 @ $599. Not sure the faster is worth the $$$ right now.

The 2500 seems a good price and performance ratio... Even if "rated" as an i5 vs the other i7's it shows me value. I could spend more on the board vs the chip/ high end DDR3 Ram. I could overclock it pretty easily with the right ram and board.

I think I want an ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard.

I would pull the trigger in a heart beat if I knew for sure the new Ivy chips would work in this board... next year.

I would then sell the Sandy Bridge Chip on ebay.. throw another hundred or two at that time and upgrade the chip... the board would remain. I could have a competitive machine for an extra year...

I don't know enough about Ivy yet.. I guess I got some reading to do.

Anyone know what socket it will be and if it will work in a current LGA1155 board? Or should I wait or get a LGA2011 ?

Originally Posted by Ambush083

I was looking to buy the same processor and mobo as you. Interesting.

Originally Posted by Ambush083

AMD set a world record with their Bulldozer processor. 8.429GHz.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4770/a...ozer-processor

I'm not an AMD fan, but I used to be. Sorry fellas, I've been doing some talking with enthusiasts and reading a lot. It is possible AMD will surpass Intel. Intel has a good roadmap, but I think they are in a cruise control mindset right now.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...x,3043-10.html

Originally Posted by tman247 

While AMD have struggled in recent years against the newer Intel architectures, Intel don't really have anything in the mobile market (Atom doesn't really count). AMD's main competitor here will be ARM, and I guess they see that as an easier target.


I still think that AMD have always offered far better value than Intel though. Most people really don't need the latest, high power 6-core CPU's for day-to-day work, but that's what they're sold, at a premium of course.


I think AMD will concentrate on their APU's in the desktop market, and stop trying to compete on performance with Intel. A two tier system might work, we'll just have to see.

Originally Posted by navyboy887 

In reality AMD needs to back out of the high-end CPU market (Intel owns this area) and focus all their desktop efforts on their not-so-bad APUs. Their APUs are a great solution for people that need a decent $600 gaming PC. I also think they should stay in the mobile laptop market and focus a lot of their efforts on their mobile APUs.

They also need to work on their GPUs (or at least up the prices) so they can make some more money on that.

I really do not want to see AMD go because that means Intel just gets to jack prices up as much as they like.

Originally Posted by MrBobb 

There was a recent WJ article sumbody is building server machines based on mobile cpus. At first this doesn't make sense, *but* if they can maintain the same performance, or even 95% of desktop performance at say 25% of power usage, well, that would be a good thing.