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post #61 of 80
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Originally Posted by Abula View Post

Personally im skipping all the E lines, i dont see much gain on i7 3930K, yes its faster than i7 2600k, only under certain scenarios, like using all the cores/threads. The average user is fine with a dual core.... SB quads are really good and capable cpus, personally i would wait for Ivy bridge 1155 socket, im hopping the i7 3770K will sell below $350, instead of the i7 3930K $650, atm all we talk is speculation, but i expect both cpus to have very similar or at least comparable performance, just the ivy bridge will be in quad core with much lower power consumption a built in gpu and half the price, and being quad i think most apps will take more advantage on it than on six core. You could also argue that ivy bridge E would also be in the horizon and probably with 8 core.... but this is probably ends of next year, and the same scenario will repeast as you will also have Haswell a couple of months apart, again all pure speculation, but thats how im seeing the cpu market atm.

A final though, Intel really needs to revert their releases to have E line before the standard line to make sense spending that much on CPUs.

Thanks for the comments.

I will also be interested to see how the Ivy Bridge stacks up price and performance wise..
post #62 of 80
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Originally Posted by Mac The Knife View Post

And Microsoft is setting up a situation where hardware that runs Win 8 can be completely locked down by the combination of requiring UEFI to require secure boot and the high probability of a Win 8 apps store. With that combination they can completely lock down Win 8 hardware.

They want to make a buck by selling apps to people who are now used to using app stores. I sincerly doubt they have any thought of "locking down" Windows systems. To start with the US and EU antitrust regulators would come down on them like a ton of bricks if they even tried.
post #63 of 80
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Thanks for the comments.

I will also be interested to see how the Ivy Bridge stacks up price and performance wise..

Looks like cpu performance is about the same at the same clock speed, but the new process should run cooler and allow for faster clocks. Integrated gpu looks to be the biggest improvement with up to 30% gain in performance.

http://www.fudzilla.com/processors/i...chmarks-leaked
post #64 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ambush083 View Post

I'm not an AMD fan, but I used to be. Sorry fellas, I've been doing some talking with enthusiasts and reading a lot. It is possible AMD will surpass Intel. Intel has a good roadmap, but I think they are in a cruise control mindset right now.

I know this sounds entirely like bluster, but if you think we've got a "cruise control" mentality right now, you don't know us very well.

Even if AMD were suddenly vanished from the market, people forget that we still have to be able to convince people that they "need" the latest and greatest CPU in their machine to replace the old one-- and for that you need constant, visible improvements and the right price point.

Fabs run better and for higher profits when they are full, and you can't fill them if you price your devices so high that people stop buying.
post #65 of 80
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Originally Posted by archibael View Post

I know this sounds entirely like bluster, but if you think we've got a "cruise control" mentality right now, you don't know us very well.

Even if AMD were suddenly vanished from the market, people forget that we still have to be able to convince people that they "need" the latest and greatest CPU in their machine to replace the old one-- and for that you need constant, visible improvements and the right price point.

Fabs run better and for higher profits when they are full, and you can't fill them if you price your devices so high that people stop buying.

You guys needed MS for that, making each OS more bloated than the last so you needed the latest and greatest intel chip. This new direction MS is in making windows leaner and meaner makes it possible to run windows with light hardware.
post #66 of 80
Yeah, monopolies are just great for consumers.

Since Comcast is now the only provider in my area, they try to convince me I need their "latest and greatest" by sending me letters all the time letting me know how lucky I could be to have all their crap for ONLY $159.99 for the first 12 months and $229.99 for every month after that.

Funny thing is when there was competition, my cable bill was $70/month. It seemed then there was stuff worth watching too.
post #67 of 80
I'm an Intel guy. I am just saying I don't think AMD is over with. The Bulldozer was made with features that Windows currently does not support. I read something before about some guy shutting down a few thread on the processor and he actually got a 30% increase.

As for releasing tech Windows doesn't support, we can reflect back on Pentium 4 when it was first released. I don't think AMD will make anything KILLER anytime soon, but I'm thinking they might have something up their sleeve. Maybe a re-release of the Bulldozer ship once all it's features are fully supported.
post #68 of 80
I remember when AMD owned the overclocker world... and Intel has more locked chips.

Now that intel offers the better performance and unlocked chips... they own the high end completely...

That was always the key..

If AMD came back.. they would either have to compete on the high end..

or in the low end with price (but margins suck so bad why bother with that?)
post #69 of 80
I wonder how much this will drive up Ivy Bridge prices when it comes out
post #70 of 80
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Originally Posted by omgitswes View Post

I wonder how much this will drive up Ivy Bridge prices when it comes out

It's a supply and demand thing.

I don't follow Intel cpu pricing, but I do with AMD cpu pricing (mainly at newegg, but also cross check at amazon).

This past two weeks I've noticed that AMD's 4 core Phenom II BE (955 thru 980, but mainly 955 and 965 which I already have) cpu prices are up roughly %10, which has surprised me given that XMAS is when they want sales.

Makes me wonder what's going on with Intel cpu pricing?

With regard to future sales, they'll charge what the traffic will bear/want.

And you can count on Intel's PR doing what it can to convince people that AMD is too iffy.

But I don't see AMD bowing out of desktop cpu desktop development; for one thing their apu's seem competitive, and they also want to continue with server cpu's. Only more time will tell.
post #71 of 80
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Originally Posted by omgitswes View Post

I wonder how much this will drive up Ivy Bridge prices when it comes out

I was thinking the opposite; Ivy would bring down current i5 and i7's making them better values.

I have been eyeing an Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz LGA 1155 chip $319 -VS.- Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz @ $224. -VS.- the new i7 LGA 2011 @ $599. Not sure the faster is worth the $$$ right now.

The 2500 seems a good price and performance ratio... Even if "rated" as an i5 vs the other i7's it shows me value. I could spend more on the board vs the chip/ high end DDR3 Ram. I could overclock it pretty easily with the right ram and board.

I think I want an ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard.

I would pull the trigger in a heart beat if I knew for sure the new Ivy chips would work in this board... next year.

I would then sell the Sandy Bridge Chip on ebay.. throw another hundred or two at that time and upgrade the chip... the board would remain. I could have a competitive machine for an extra year...

I don't know enough about Ivy yet.. I guess I got some reading to do.

Anyone know what socket it will be and if it will work in a current LGA1155 board? Or should I wait or get a LGA2011 ?
post #72 of 80
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I was thinking the opposite; Ivy would bring down current i5 and i7's making them better values.

I have been eyeing an Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz LGA 1155 chip $319 -VS.- Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz @ $224. -VS.- the new i7 LGA 2011 @ $599. Not sure the faster is worth the $$$ right now.

The 2500 seems a good price and performance ratio... Even if "rated" as an i5 vs the other i7's it shows me value. I could spend more on the board vs the chip/ high end DDR3 Ram. I could overclock it pretty easily with the right ram and board.

I think I want an ASUS Maximus IV Extreme-Z LGA 1155 Intel Z68 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard.

I would pull the trigger in a heart beat if I knew for sure the new Ivy chips would work in this board... next year.

I would then sell the Sandy Bridge Chip on ebay.. throw another hundred or two at that time and upgrade the chip... the board would remain. I could have a competitive machine for an extra year...

I don't know enough about Ivy yet.. I guess I got some reading to do.

Anyone know what socket it will be and if it will work in a current LGA1155 board? Or should I wait or get a LGA2011 ?


I was looking to buy the same processor and mobo as you. Interesting.

We will have to wait for it's release before a good understanding of the processor can be had. Well...there's tons of stuff on the net, but whose to say Intel won't make a last minute change. As in locking a processor.

Rumor has it that Ivy Bridge will not be much of an upgrade. Especially if you are an overclocker, whether modest or hardcore. The processors are said to be locked down a lot. The Sandy Bridge-E is supposed to be great. I only saw 3 processors. The mid-range seems the best. The top two are unlocked while the lowest one is partially locked, I think.

I heard there is supposed to be two boards. One with a OK features and one that is supposed to be all out that will be released later on after the original released. Sorry my source is my geeky co-worker. We're both IT, but he takes the cake.
post #73 of 80
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Anyone know what socket it will be and if it will work in a current LGA1155 board? Or should I wait or get a LGA2011 ?

In essence yes, Intel said that Ivy Bridge (none E) will be compatible with Sandy Bridge mobos, but we don't know if all will get a bios update or even if all are compatible, most assume that the newest Z68 will be more as they were release later, but no one really knows. Asus is already releasing bios with 22nm cpu support, but we don't have cpu to test.... im hopping my Gene Z will be... will see in 4 months.

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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

Or should I wait or get a LGA2011 ?

There will be both, LGA1155 (for the none E) and LGA2011 (for Ivy Bridge E), i think both series will be compatible with their ivy bridge counter parts. Haswell... no one knows, my guess is a new socket not compatible with neither 1155/2011 to force consumers to buy.
post #74 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ambush083 View Post

I was looking to buy the same processor and mobo as you. Interesting.

Great Minds think alike.

I have been weighing the idea of the ASUS PRO vs the higher end..

Should I spend $319 for a mobo ? (I did for this one )

Waiting for some news on the job situation... if news is good I think I am going to pull the trigger.

I just can't decide 2500 vs 2600 vs higher i7... seems small differences for big prices... and I could overclock with great DRR3 the bottom end to beat the top... easily..

I could also ebay the CPU and go with a faster Ivy next year assuming the board is still valid.



My E8500 Core2Duo has run 4ghz+ almost it's entire life and works great... most of the years on the stock cooling fan.. lol.

Infact- I have never burned out a processor in my life.
post #75 of 80
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Originally Posted by Ambush083 View Post

AMD set a world record with their Bulldozer processor. 8.429GHz.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4770/a...ozer-processor

I'm not an AMD fan, but I used to be. Sorry fellas, I've been doing some talking with enthusiasts and reading a lot. It is possible AMD will surpass Intel. Intel has a good roadmap, but I think they are in a cruise control mindset right now.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...x,3043-10.html


overclock dont mean crap if they can't use it. we are talking real usage and not some pretty numbers.
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In reality AMD needs to back out of the high-end CPU market (Intel owns this area) and focus all their desktop efforts on their not-so-bad APUs. Their APUs are a great solution for people that need a decent $600 gaming PC. I also think they should stay in the mobile laptop market and focus a lot of their efforts on their mobile APUs.

They also need to work on their GPUs (or at least up the prices) so they can make some more money on that.

I really do not want to see AMD go because that means Intel just gets to jack prices up as much as they like.
post #78 of 80
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Originally Posted by tman247 View Post

While AMD have struggled in recent years against the newer Intel architectures, Intel don't really have anything in the mobile market (Atom doesn't really count). AMD's main competitor here will be ARM, and I guess they see that as an easier target.


I still think that AMD have always offered far better value than Intel though. Most people really don't need the latest, high power 6-core CPU's for day-to-day work, but that's what they're sold, at a premium of course.


I think AMD will concentrate on their APU's in the desktop market, and stop trying to compete on performance with Intel. A two tier system might work, we'll just have to see.

Yup most people don't even need the midrange anymore. Ever play with a lowly celeron 847? For normal usage even its pretty snappy. With the move Fromm gaming PC's to consules the high end desktop is mostly a historic side note. Most people who still want a full keyboard and monitor will buy things like Intel's NUC. CPU cycles are a commodity now.
Edited by jeffkro - 3/2/13 at 11:45pm
post #79 of 80
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Originally Posted by navyboy887 View Post

In reality AMD needs to back out of the high-end CPU market (Intel owns this area) and focus all their desktop efforts on their not-so-bad APUs. Their APUs are a great solution for people that need a decent $600 gaming PC. I also think they should stay in the mobile laptop market and focus a lot of their efforts on their mobile APUs.

They also need to work on their GPUs (or at least up the prices) so they can make some more money on that.

I really do not want to see AMD go because that means Intel just gets to jack prices up as much as they like.

I think the APU's are best used for small form factor. Good all around performance in a compact package.
post #80 of 80
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Originally Posted by MrBobb View Post

There was a recent WJ article sumbody is building server machines based on mobile cpus. At first this doesn't make sense, *but* if they can maintain the same performance, or even 95% of desktop performance at say 25% of power usage, well, that would be a good thing.

Mobile processors would not have the hardware virtualization features a desktop CPU would have and they are just getting that stuff working on mobile GPUs, however without HW-V. This would not be feasible for at least a couple more years.
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