Official Sharp 60" AQUOS LC-60LE632U Owners Thread - Page 6

Thanks for the response Gordon. I'll give Sharp a call. The TV is only 2 months old so still under warranty.

thanks for taking the time to do this. one tip that ChadB commented on is that you should not use positive values for the SAT as it causes nonlianerties with the color, he also confirms the 632 does have an issue with red too.

Note the master Saturation control (color) is at a -5.

Plus I can tell you that there is no way to get this set any closer when it has the Red issue as well as every Color Temp preset with too much Blue. Sacrifices have to be made here and there as this set simply will not calibrate perfect (even the Elite's do not come out perfect).

I figured somebody would have at least tried them by now, ah well.

Jason

I'm really considering buying this or the 33u. I'm mostly in it for watching my HDTV with Comcast, Blu Ray via PS3, and some gaming via PS3.

The picture looked great at Costco.

Do you owners love this tv and recommend it?

For me, it will depend if Sharp replaces mine or fixes it. You can see the images I attached earlier. The picture is very good except for the defect that mine has.

I did some testing for my above settings and found that for those that want more fun you can bump the contrast to 30 without much of an alteration (31 changes a good bit more) and with Active Contrast ON at a Gamma of -1 you'll have a pretty punchy image.

* Contrast = 29, Gamma = -1, Active Contrast = ON graph's fairly well.

I have tried all of the misc settings posted here at AVS for the various Sharp models and can say that not one of them graphs as well. It's certainly not perfect but so darn close that I really do not see the 60LE632 getting much better (unless of course my particular set is somehow vastly different than all the others).

Jason

That does look a bit odd, seems like a panel defect if it does it with all sources and in each mode, did you try a full reset (probably not a fix but might be worth a shot).

Best of luck,
Jason

i went with the active cont on...at first. much better for me.

i think its perfect, no way i see anymore changes needed...

awesome

i bumped up the contrast to 28..wow

I did not. I'll give it a shot.

Thanks

Hmmm, I wonder why my subscription to this thread wasn't sending new posts? I'll check these out tonight and see how they look.

Just wanted to post an update. I spoke with Sharp Support and they had me reset the TV but that did not help cure the faint lines. I sent them the photos posted on here in the above post and they will have their techs look into it and decide on what to do (replace or try and repair it.) I should here back from them within 48 hours. I'll continue to post the progress of events in hopes that it may help someone else on this forum.

Thanks again for the help.

Did you have this issue from the beginning or it developed with time? Is your TV on the stand or wall mounted?

It was from the beginning and it's on a stand. I noticed the problem showing in the sky on some shows and did not think too much of it thinking it was the show. Then I watched another movie the other night and noticed the lines were all over the screen during a snow covered scene which prompted me to look more into it.

Finally had my 632 delivered today, and so far I am impressed. I ended up getting a new AVR just in case I had lip sync issues, but so far I was able to correct them by turning off film and motion enhancement in movie mode and game mode has no issues at all. The set blows my lg plasma away for daytime viewing, and so far night time seems pretty impressive being a budget led set. Black levels are not far off from my lg plasma, and that was after the black level tweak on the lg. Contrast so far seems better, which really surprised me. I do see clouding on a blank input screen, but I don't notice it during a credit roll. I have not noticed any motion judder or any motion issues yet. I only have about 4 hours of viewing so far, but I am impressed. Obviously off angle is bad compared to the plasma, but it's not an issue for my seating area. I have one stuck blue pixel.

Very happy with this set so far, and I don't have glare issues and I don't have to be paranoid about burn in now!

So, I tried various settings posted here and on the 633 forum and so far after minor tweaks using the Disney WOW disc I have settled for dagamepimp's. Game mode settings for bluray, And a modified movie mode for satellite. Really impressed and surprised at the game mode settings for bluray viewing........thanks for taking the time to post dagamepimp!

I tried Jason's settings and while they're quite warm as someone flat in contrast, it doesn't look ruddy or muddy; just...really warmer. (The gray background of the screen when switching channels is definitely reddish, but that's the way it'll look when you're used to the higher temperature white point.) Switching back to the User settings I had (from the 633 thread) now looks really blue and effed up. This is with HD Direct TV into the HDMI1 input. One bad thing I noticed was during a scene with two people walking and talking and the camera panning back and forth between them, there was a lot of stuttering and blurring I'd never noticed before. I still need to set up the BD player's channel.

One thing that makes it hard to evaluate this stuff is the prevalence of heavy color-grading on so many shows/movies. What is natural color anymore? Watching the local news in HD looks more off and reddish. What should I try tweaking to tame the reds?

I tried almost every calibration here and none really worked for me. 633 settings for some reason were completely off. I finally found settings that I like the most so far. They were posted for 70LE632U, check it out here

I am seeing a pattern here regarding the reddish comments, partially I think it's just that many are not used to seeing 6500k/D65 which is actually a wee bit reddish. Too many people want that brilliant white that is generally blue pushed and by nature our eyes are drawn to the brighter image. All of the posted settings that I have tried from the forum have been blue pushed so either we have different internal components set to set or people simply do not know what an ISF'd display should look like (likely a bit of both).

With that said, it's becoming fairly obvious there are enough tolerance variances from set to set that no posted settings are going to 'nail it' for everyone (assuming we are all running the same firmware). Ah well, I tried.


There's a perfect example, those settings are awful on my 60LE632.

Jason

Your settings look perfect for me using bluray. However, For some reason, once I switch to dish network, your settings lose some pop, seem greenish......not red and are also a little washed out. So source material makes a huge difference as well. I agree about the reds, I think most are not used to it, years ago I was the same way, used to always use cool color temp settings!

Again, thanks for taking the time to post your settings, blurays look fabulous!

Indeed, source makes a huge difference here and remember what NTSC stands for...

Never The Same Color.


Good to see that the settings are working well for some.

Jason

Did some more testing, this time regarding 4:4:4, and it would appear the 60LE632 does not do proper 4:4:4 via...

Audio + HDMI
Only HDMI
DVI to HDMI

I was initially under the impression it handled 4:4:4 properly so sorry for my previous posts stating 4:4:4.

I also tested VGA and found it to look pretty poor and with no phase/tracking adjustments there appears to be no way to attempt a fix.

So it would seem the best signal to send from your blu ray players is 4:2:2, unless of course you have a source direct capable player like an Oppo (I cannot confirm 4:2:0 results so YMMV).

Jason

Would it be possible for you to consolidate your settings AND the updates into a single post that gets updated. It seems that they're spread over several posts and a couple of pages and once we dial in one post's updates, we have to check around for any amendments.

I didn't have any BDs that I was familiar with their looks with me (set is at g/f's place), but Thor (again, color-graded) looked OK, but popped more when I bumped Contrast up to 29-30. I switched color output to 4:4:4 - this is why you should have a single, collected post with ALL settings from player to set - and turned off 1080/24p and now when I bring up the playback info, it shows as 1080/60p. Does that sound correct? I'm running HDMI to the set and coax digital to the receiver.

What source material would you recommend to throw at our calibrated setups so we can appreciate the work you've done in assisting us? Thanks.

Still loving the game settings for bluray, watched some Dark Knight and Underworld to test darker movies and this set continues to amaze me!

One question though........do you also use these settings for gaming? I usually go for a more artificial look for games, cooler color temps, etc. I would assume that other modes would have too much lag for gaming even with all the enhancements off?

Hello,

I have an update for my defective TV.

After sending Sharp Pictures, they have offered to send me a new TV which is a slight upgrade. It will be an even swap.

For my LC-60LE632U, they will replace it with the Sharp Quattron LC60LE830U.

It will be delivered to my house and setup by them and they will take the other back with them. Should receive it in about 7 to 10 business days.

Anyone know much about this TV?

So far it's been very good customer service by Sharp.

Yes I use the same setting for all sources since I prefer accuracy regardless of source. I do however know what you are saying and I have typically had 2 or 3 different calibrations on each display, one for live action movies, one for animation (pixar/dreamworks) and one for Full Range RGB gaming (via pc/ps3/360). I have considered doing a separate Game mode calibration on Med-Low color temp for gaming but have not done so as of yet (especially now considering the lack of proper RGB 4:4:4 handling). For me the other modes are unable to be utilized for gaming.

* If you want a bit more POP for games simply bump up your contrast (don't go above 31) and turn on Active Contrast (assuming it's not already enabled).



I would not really consider the 830 an upgrade, more of a side-step, it does have quad pixel tech but as far as over-all image quality it's not any better than the 632 and has slightly worse black level. I would also verify with Sharp that the 830 is new and not a refurbished product (considering you paid for a NEW display). Other than that Sharp does generally provide excellent customer service, I have dealt with them in the past on one of their high end projectors.

Jason

Thanks Jason. They did say that it will be a new TV. I also asked if there were any known issues with it and they said no. As long as it produces a picture close to the 632 and does not have any other glitches I will be OK with it. Hopefully I can find some calibrations for it.

Best of Luck!



Absolutely, if you can get a good ISF tech that is familiar with your particular display then there is no substitute for an in-home ISF calibration.

However from somebody that has been watching ISF calibrated displays for the last 10+ years & have a friend that is ISF certified I can also say that much of what is shared here at AVS will achieve a much better image than what out of the box settings can provide. I think most people here realize that the 'free' info shared here at AVS is not a substitute for a full in-home ISF level calibration even though many of us enthusiasts perform the same process as a certified ISF technician.

So while I have nothing but respect for ISF tech's and what they do the simple reality is that the majority of people purchasing a <$1400 display are not going to spend another $300+ on a proper ISF calibration. Sadly the percentage that actually care about being 6500k/D65 is very small. Basically I think people here are simply looking for something better than 'out of the box' and what they can accomplish at home with a calibration disc.

Jason

Thanks for the info......I may just need to get used to it for gaming.......I don't want to use any other mode for bluray now, really enjoying these settings! The good news is that this is a secondary set for gaming, so I won't be gaming too much on this set.

Thanks again Jason!

It all comes down to component tolerances and individual preferences. I'm pretty sure that even professional calibration may not be the best choice for many people. Good part is that 632 has so many user accessible picture adjustments that after some tweaking pretty much everyone should be able to get satisfying picture.

I ended up lowering my contrast a little bit and re-calibrated with Disney WOW, changed my color and tint a little bit. Tried using dagamepimp's settings with satellite again, and it's actually working quite well. Content varies from channel to channel, but overall I am really liking his color calibration on game mode for satellite as well as bluray now. For actual gaming, I calibrated PC with a cooler color temp and it's working well. I don't play multiplayer online with this set, so if PC introduces any lag compared to game mode it's not an issue for me. However, I have to way to test lag so it may be close anyway.

One thing is for sure, I have no regrets ditching my last two plasmas to finally end up getting this set. With dagamepimp's settings, I can honestly say that the Sharp 632 is the best set I have ever owned, and it's making me re-watch my entire bluray collection! I can't believe the picture quality for the price I paid!