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post #121 of 176
Mine should hopefully be here this week. Damn that thing is big and ugly!

I'm so glad I jumped on the TM90 when it was $299. Just looked at Amazon and it's selling for $529! Would have thought after CES (I assume something new was announced??) that prices would start to come down as they blow out inventory.
post #122 of 176
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Originally Posted by HotWheelz View Post

Here's a shot of the eBay battery mentioned earlier that arrived today. Fits comfortably and as someone else mentioned, it gives the camera a better balance. I was expecting a 4 hour charging time , but I looked after two hours and it was fully charged, so I'm not sure exactly how long it took. Camera shows me 3hrs10min available battery time in video mode. Just have to see how well it works with normal shooting. I charged it attached to the camera since I don't have an external charger yet. Took two and a half weeks to get to my door from the day it was shipped.

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I just received mine this morning also.
I believe I ordered it on 12/29. I also ordered a seperate charger (from amazon) and that arrived in about 7 days.
Ill charge it and see how long it takes tonight.
post #123 of 176
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Originally Posted by W Jones View Post

The SD90 is definitely 41.5mm. The TM90 only has extra internal memory, so it should be the same.

As for the links ... first a discalimer: as I said, I ordered the parts, but that was just a few days ago. Still haven't received them, so I can't comment as yet on the seller, or how well the parts fit.

They are item numbers 330631301469, 230634873473 and 250819017921 on ebay. Just go to ebay and search for these item numbers and they should come up.

W Jones - I want to order the step-up ring as well - let us know if you have received it and if you are happy with it.

Also, I am not that much impressed with the video quality when shooting outdoors with bright sun. In Auto mode my TM90 sets the aperture to f3.5 and the shutter to somewhere around 1/500 or even 1/1000. I tried adjusting both the aperture and the shutter, the quality gets even worse.

I believe TM90 shines when you shoot indoors. All reviews I have read talk only about low light - why nobody cares about outdoors? I checked my old videos I shot with Canon HV20 - their quality indoors are much worse than TM90, but outdoors they were, surprisingly, actually better than TM90.

I am wondering if anyone had an experience with ND filters on TM90/SD90, and if it improves the quality.
post #124 of 176
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Originally Posted by michaeltsi View Post

Also, I am not that much impressed with the video quality when shooting outdoors with bright sun. In Auto mode my TM90 sets the aperture to f3.5 and the shutter to somewhere around 1/500 or even 1/1000. I tried adjusting both the aperture and the shutter, the quality gets even worse.

What exactly is the problem? Set slower shutter speed, aperture will get smaller. If the TM90 has built-in ND filter, aperture will not get way too small. I am not sure about built-in ND, in the past Panasonic used built-in ND only on more expensive 3-sensor models. Anyway, "quality gets worse" says nothing. Post a frame grab and point to defects in the image.
post #125 of 176
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Originally Posted by Ungermann View Post

What exactly is the problem? Set slower shutter speed, aperture will get smaller. If the TM90 has built-in ND filter, aperture will not get way too small. I am not sure about built-in ND, in the past Panasonic used built-in ND only on more expensive 3-sensor models. Anyway, "quality gets worse" says nothing. Post a frame grab and point to defects in the image.

"Quality gets worse" means that the image is not crisp, and details are smeared and lost. I am talking about details like grass, leaves, sand, etc. Also, the image in general does not look natural - this is especially noticeable when filming a beach scene with bright sun, even when WB is set manually.

I believe TM90 has this problem when there is a lot of light. This conditions are just too harsh for it to handle, so I believe attaching an external ND filter (to bring aperture 3 stops down) would improve it.

The quality indoors is much better.
post #126 of 176
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Originally Posted by michaeltsi View Post

"Quality gets worse" means that the image is not crisp, and details are smeared and lost.

A framegrab? Or better yet, a sample source clip?
post #127 of 176
Yes I've received them. As I said, I got the 41.5-58mm ste-up ring, a 58mm UV filter and a 58mm lens hood. All items seem well built but I did have a few issues:
- The step-up ring has at least two or three 41.5 mm full threads on it but the female threads on the SD90 are recessed a bit from the front of the camera. When I screw the ring in the front of the SD90 it only screws in about 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn. It seems to hold on OK but I was a bit worried if this could cause problems down the road. I contacted the vendor and at first he thought there was an issue with the hood and offered to refund my purchase. I explained the problem was with the ring and asked if he had any with even deeper threads. He said that he didn't but has sold 80 units and had no complaints. He is sending me another one in case the one I have is defective.
- The hood does cause vignetting in the corners when I move the camera, forcing the OIS to work hard. I have filed down the problematic areas and now I really have to force the OIS to the limit to see a very small amount of vignetting. I doubt it will be a problem in real life shots.
I was waiting to get the replacement step-up ring to give a full report.




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Originally Posted by michaeltsi View Post

W Jones - I want to order the step-up ring as well - let us know if you have received it and if you are happy with it.
post #128 of 176
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Originally Posted by HotWheelz View Post

Here's a shot of the eBay battery mentioned earlier that arrived today. Fits comfortably and as someone else mentioned, it gives the camera a better balance. I was expecting a 4 hour charging time , but I looked after two hours and it was fully charged, so I'm not sure exactly how long it took. Camera shows me 3hrs10min available battery time in video mode. Just have to see how well it works with normal shooting. I charged it attached to the camera since I don't have an external charger yet. Took two and a half weeks to get to my door from the day it was shipped.

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I'm disappointed...after first charge mine shows 2hr 32 mins available. Hopefully second charge will show longer useable time.

Edit: I think the issue may be the generic battery charger I also purchased. I'm going to try charging it on the sd90 and see what happens.
post #129 of 176
Just another update.
The generic decoded ebay battery works great.
Charging it through the camcorder itself and it shows about 3.5 hours available.

(The seperate charger I bought from ebay has issues...doesnt fully charge either the original battery or the ebay generic)
post #130 of 176
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Originally Posted by dan4081 View Post

Just another update.
The generic decoded ebay battery works great.
Charging it through the camcorder itself and it shows about 3.5 hours available.

(The seperate charger I bought from amazon has issues...doesnt fully charge either the original battery or the ebay generic)

Thanks for the update. I ordered an Amazon charger last week and will try both batteries in it and report back.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M5WLLK
post #131 of 176
dan4081,

What charger did you get on ebay? Is it the same as Hotwheelz?
If so, it will be interesting to see if they're all the same.


Bill
post #132 of 176
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Originally Posted by W Jones View Post

dan4081,

What charger did you get on ebay? Is it the same as Hotwheelz?
If so, it will be interesting to see if they're all the same.


Bill

I accidently wrote amazon as where I purchased my charger but it was actually ebay:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...E:L:OU:US:1123

It looks to be a different charger than Hotwheelz ordered so hopefully he'll have better luck.
post #133 of 176
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Originally Posted by HotWheelz View Post

Thanks for the update. I ordered an Amazon charger last week and will try both batteries in it and report back.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M5WLLK

I have the same one. Works fine with both batteries.
post #134 of 176
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Originally Posted by HotWheelz View Post

Thanks for the update. I ordered an Amazon charger last week and will try both batteries in it and report back.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004M5WLLK

Well I have the same issue with the generic ebay battery not charging fully in my particular Amazon charger. It would only go to 2hrs30mins. Popped it into the camcorder and it took it the rest of the way to 3hrs15mins. Still not as high as others have reported but that's fine.
post #135 of 176
Thread Starter 
My Wasabi branded charger doesn't take the OEM battery to full charge. It comes in 15-16 minutes shy, but others have said they don't have any issues. Seems like it just might be hit and miss.
post #136 of 176
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Originally Posted by michaeltsi View Post

"Quality gets worse" means that the image is not crisp, and details are smeared and lost. I am talking about details like grass, leaves, sand, etc. Also, the image in general does not look natural - this is especially noticeable when filming a beach scene with bright sun, even when WB is set manually.

I believe TM90 has this problem when there is a lot of light. This conditions are just too harsh for it to handle, so I believe attaching an external ND filter (to bring aperture 3 stops down) would improve it.

The quality indoors is much better.

Use spotlight mode and turn on dynamic contrast when outdoors. Very sharp clean image even without an ND filter. Will avoid the over saturated sky scenes too.
post #137 of 176
Hi all, I am computer dumb, nice to meet you. What is the cheapest computer/laptop I can get that will actually be easy to edit and make dvd's with? I have an ~5yr old Acer laptop that is killing me and no matter what I shoot in, it can't handle it.
post #138 of 176
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Originally Posted by Karpediem View Post

Hi all, I am computer dumb, nice to meet you. What is the cheapest computer/laptop I can get that will actually be easy to edit and make dvd's with? I have an ~5yr old Acer laptop that is killing me and no matter what I shoot in, it can't handle it.

Anything on sale with a DVD burner and Windows 7 will work using the free Microsoft Windows Movie Maker for typical 5 minute videos. It will run faster as you go up the price ladder, but the videos will be the same.

If you can be more precise about what editor you want to run and what kind of videos you are producing, you will get better advice.
post #139 of 176
I have 2 laptops, one is a recent model Acer 3820T with some sort of IntelHD embedded video chip, the other is a 5920G from 2007 and 4gb of RAM with a 9400GT NVidia card but a much slower processor but faster hard drive (recently put in a 120db ssd vs a Seagate Hybrid Momentus drive in the 3820T). Have no issues with either.

But I haven't tried 60p editing, and keep both laptops very "clean" so they run quite fast (i.e., reinstall a clean version of Windows 7 every 18 to 24 months or so and use CC Cleaner to keep the drive and registry clean otherwise, and do not download a lot of crap).
post #140 of 176
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Originally Posted by bsprague View Post

Anything on sale with a DVD burner and Windows 7 will work using the free Microsoft Windows Movie Maker for typical 5 minute videos. It will run faster as you go up the price ladder, but the videos will be the same.

If you can be more precise about what editor you want to run and what kind of videos you are producing, you will get better advice.

Nothing great, just home movies that I would like to edit to put on Youtube or somewhere so the rest of my family can see them. Even if I can get them edited of my current laptop, I still would like a dvd burner. I have only tried using the editing software that comes with the camera.
post #141 of 176
I've been researching camcorders for a couple of months now and I've decided on the HDC-TM90. But the problem is I can't find one anywhere in stock. I did find it available at Amazon, but the price is $585. Which according to some other posters is quiet a bit higher than it was just a couple months ago. I've seen where some people bought them around Christmas for less that $400. So, I assume this model is being discontinued. Does anyone know which 2012 model is designed as its replacement? And when it might be available?
post #142 of 176
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Originally Posted by W Jones View Post

Yes I've received them. As I said, I got the 41.5-58mm ste-up ring, a 58mm UV filter and a 58mm lens hood. All items seem well built but I did have a few issues:
- The step-up ring has at least two or three 41.5 mm full threads on it but the female threads on the SD90 are recessed a bit from the front of the camera. When I screw the ring in the front of the SD90 it only screws in about 1/2 to 3/4 of a turn. It seems to hold on OK but I was a bit worried if this could cause problems down the road. I contacted the vendor and at first he thought there was an issue with the hood and offered to refund my purchase. I explained the problem was with the ring and asked if he had any with even deeper threads. He said that he didn't but has sold 80 units and had no complaints. He is sending me another one in case the one I have is defective.
- The hood does cause vignetting in the corners when I move the camera, forcing the OIS to work hard. I have filed down the problematic areas and now I really have to force the OIS to the limit to see a very small amount of vignetting. I doubt it will be a problem in real life shots.
I was waiting to get the replacement step-up ring to give a full report.

There is a big long discussion about 41.5mm step-up rings to xx mm here. You may find it useful although the eBay vendor referenced no longer exists.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/camco...onic-sd90.html

John
post #143 of 176
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Originally Posted by KYRandy View Post

I have the same one. Works fine with both batteries.

Randy,

Thanks for the testing of the VW-VBK360 generic battery. I ordered one from that eBay vendor you linked.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/150711050156

Decided to buy the Panasonic charger from Amazon to avoid problems.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VW-B.../dp/B004U8AM8I

John
post #144 of 176
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Originally Posted by smokey982 View Post

I've been researching camcorders for a couple of months now and I've decided on the HDC-TM90. But the problem is I can't find one anywhere in stock. I did find it available at Amazon, but the price is $585. Does anyone know which 2012 model is designed as its replacement? And when it might be available?

Yes, many bought the TM90 for $299 before Xmas. TM900 was only $599 too.
Both of those models have replacements that are coming out in the next month or two. Check Panasonics website.

Apparently the super deep discounts don't happen until just before Thanksgiving and between Thanksgiving and Xmas
post #145 of 176
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Originally Posted by SD90 View Post

Yes, many bought the TM90 for $299 before Xmas. TM900 was only $599 too.
Both of those models have replacements that are coming out in the next month or two. Check Panasonics website.

Apparently the super deep discounts don't happen until just before Thanksgiving and between Thanksgiving and Xmas

TM900 was not quite as good as TM700. If I had to guess Panasonic will add some useless bells and whistles to their lineup and reduce the essentials (imager size, mic input, headphone input, etc)

Crutchfield (great vendor) has the TM900 for $750 delivered.

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_133TM90...0.html?tp=6662

John
post #146 of 176
So today we took out the camcorder to shoot my son and I in the snow. When my wife turned it on there was simply a bright white picture on the LCD. Couldn't see anything else other than the options. Ie. the actual picture was white. It was a super bright day so I took it into the garage to see if it was the sunlight but that only made it a tad better. Just tried it again inside and it was fine. So took it outside aGain and this time we could use the LCD screen. Anyone encounter this before?
post #147 of 176
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Originally Posted by SD90 View Post

Yes, many bought the TM90 for $299 before Xmas. TM900 was only $599 too.
Both of those models have replacements that are coming out in the next month or two. Check Panasonics website.

Apparently the super deep discounts don't happen until just before Thanksgiving and between Thanksgiving and Xmas

I've browsed their website a little. It appears they have several new models coming out. Does anyone know which model is designed to replace the HDC-TM90?
post #148 of 176
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

So today we took out the camcorder to shoot my son and I in the snow. When my wife turned it on there was simply a bright white picture on the LCD. Couldn't see anything else other than the options. Ie. the actual picture was white. It was a super bright day so I took it into the garage to see if it was the sunlight but that only made it a tad better. Just tried it again inside and it was fine. So took it outside aGain and this time we could use the LCD screen. Anyone encounter this before?

I have seen something similar with my TM900. Turn it on and the lcd is showing nothing but white. This seems to happen when turning the cam off while in manual mode. I always press the "auto mode" button as soon as I turn it on to clear it up and make the display normal. Try switching between auto and manual modes when it happens to fix the issue.
post #149 of 176
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Originally Posted by tingham View Post


I have seen something similar with my TM900. Turn it on and the lcd is showing nothing but white. This seems to happen when turning the cam off while in manual mode. I always press the "auto mode" button as soon as I turn it on to clear it up and make the display normal. Try switching between auto and manual modes when it happens to fix the issue.

Thanks, it was in manual mode last time I used so that could've been it. Weird.
post #150 of 176
If anyone is interested, you can buy an SD90 refurbished by Panasonic.
Comes with a 90 day warranty for $304 and up:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...on=refurbished
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