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post #211 of 320
3/9/12 at 1:43pm
You mean you jumped off at exit 7 and didn't stop in at the Stagecoach to quench your thirst? A "quaint' watering hole indeed. I've been there (once )



You'll be passing by me in about 1/2 hr....I can faintly detect the smell of sawdust wafting off the turnpike, and what's that....maybe a little Metallica in the background?
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post #212 of 320
3/9/12 at 9:15pm
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Pictures for the day

a road side service plaza where I stopped for some mid afternoon frozen yogurt but had to settle for an ice cream bar


Freezer case where they kept the ice cream bars



Next exit



Stopped for gas in Ohio, spotted this place and thought about stopping in for a job, but then I don't have enough time now and I didn't bring my dancing shoes.



Got to the house by dinner time, after dinner we wired up and installed all the recessed lights and tested them, sorry no pics of any real work.
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post #213 of 320
3/9/12 at 9:43pm
Must. Have. Ice. Cream.

But seriously no shamrock shake? I always get shamrock shakes this time of year.
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post #214 of 320
3/10/12 at 7:51pm
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Before I arrived Bzbase pulled out his airless sprayer and went to town with Roscoe black. It really sucks the light out of the room, Shooting gray primer on the walls also darkens the room. We gave it a sanding and hit it a couple of more times. Still wet in this shot



While the ceiling was getting a coat I hit the light trims,and the Naylor slot diffusers, first coat



We got all the lights working, the receptacles in, the Graphic Eye installed, thanks to Bzbase's brother in law who dropped in. Here is how the room looked when I left today. The GE is surface mounted in the projection booth/rear sub closet.







We also pulled out the fabric and looked at paint samples for all the trim in the actual lighting conditions of the room, we also tested the rope light. More on that to come.
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post #215 of 320
3/10/12 at 8:17pm
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While the ceiling was getting a coat I hit the light trims,and the Naylor slot diffusers, first coat



Where does one buy the Naylor slot diffusers from? Thanks
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post #216 of 320
3/11/12 at 5:24am
I purchased my nailor linear diffusors here. http://www.sai-hvac.com/
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post #217 of 320
3/11/12 at 5:45am
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Pictures for the day

a road side service plaza where I stopped for some mid afternoon frozen yogurt but had to settle for an ice cream bar


Freezer case where they kept the ice cream bars



Next exit



Stopped for gas in Ohio, spotted this place and thought about stopping in for a job, but then I don't have enough time now and I didn't bring my dancing shoes.



Got to the house by dinner time, after dinner we wired up and installed all the recessed lights and tested them, sorry no pics of any real work.

seriously did u eat the whole time? lol

u passed right through my area. should have stopped for pizza. we are the pizza capitol of the world you know!
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post #218 of 320
3/11/12 at 5:48am
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Where does one buy the Naylor slot diffusers from? Thanks

guys,

so is the idea of the larger diffuser to spread the air out more so it lessens the wush of air if u are using smaller flex?

jim
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post #219 of 320
3/11/12 at 6:38am
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guys,

so is the idea of the larger diffuser to spread the air out more so it lessens the wush of air if u are using smaller flex?

jim

You want bar type supplies (Nailor) high mounted in the front of the room (usually 4"x48") and two high mounted bar type return diffusors in the back of the room (you must take hot air off the ceiling). Diffusors should be in the bottom of the soffits pointed downward...not outward into the seating locations. Regardless of the *cubic* feet per minute your HVAC contractor calculates for the load, you must not have a velocity of more than 250 feet per minute through any diffusor. He must meet NC20 (noise criteria standard). This keeps the noise level to a minimal.
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post #220 of 320
3/11/12 at 6:39am
Big/Bzbase:

Any reason why you opted to not use the recommended 3/4" OSB for the stage/riser? Is T&G too hard to install?
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post #221 of 320
3/11/12 at 6:51am
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You want bar type supplies (Nailor) high mounted in the front of the room (usually 4"x48") and two high mounted bar type return diffusors in the back of the room (you must take hot air off the ceiling). Diffusors should be in the bottom of the soffits pointed downward...not outward into the seating locations. Regardless of the *cubic* feet per minute your HVAC contractor calculates for the load, you must not have a velocity of more than 250 feet per minute through any diffusor. He must meet NC20 (noise criteria standard). This keeps the noise level to a minimal.

Thanks for that. That was the planned setup for my room.
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post #222 of 320
3/11/12 at 8:47am
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u passed right through my area. should have stopped for pizza. we are the pizza capitol of the world you know!

Chicago has the best Pizza. Geppettos Pizza in Oak Park (close west suburb of Chicagoland). Their stuffied pies are the best!!
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post #223 of 320
3/11/12 at 9:05am
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Chicago has the best Pizza. Geppettos Pizza in Oak Park (close west suburb of Chicagoland). Their stuffied pies are the best!!

Actually our town has a copyright on the slogan "pizza Capitol of the world". It's cause we have 17 family run places that r all at least 50 to 80 years old. My town was pretty much 100 percent Italian years ago. Our pizza is diff than pizza throughout the country. Not round not Sicilian not Chicago style. I never get into which pizza is better than another cause it's diff. If I want round I go to Scranton actually for a place with a family from new York. If I want old forge style I'm I'm town. The pizza capitol thing came about when we celebrated the towns anniversary one yeAr. It was all the owners way of showing the heritage of old forge. Never said ours was the best. . Sorry about the sidetrack.
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post #224 of 320
3/11/12 at 8:12pm
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Sunday Update, Started out with the installation of the slot diffusers under the soffit, Sorry no pictures, Black vent covers under a black soffit doesn't make a great photo.

Then a family meeting to review some more choices for trim colors. We put up some fabric on the wall then added the chips, The goal was to review the colors in the position and in the lighting that they would be used. We reached a conclusion acceptable to all.



The misses picked up a gallon and Bzbase showed me his technique for making quick work of painting the trim



Nothing says I'm building something in my house like turning your front yard into a spray booth.



We also got the in-line exhaust fan installed for the projection booth. A panamax protected outlet installed for the projector, surface mounted outlets on the stage wired up. Also cut in a conduit for all the behind the screen wall components and did prep work for the light tray. Tomorrow all that trim starts to go up and the room will start to look a lot different.
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post #225 of 320
3/11/12 at 9:45pm
Looks great guys!

I think I need to get a paint sprayer. It looks like it makes quick work of that trim.

What kind of paint did you use for the recessed light trims? It looks like black Rustoleum high heat in the picture.
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post #226 of 320
3/12/12 at 2:10am
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yes, it was outdoor grill paint, actually off the shelf next to the grills, flat black. Be aware that Bzbase has prior experience with that sprayer. When he suggested that I park my car two houses down he wasn't kidding. He also had to take an extra shower in the middle of the day he painted the ceiling black. He looked like a coal miner.
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post #227 of 320
3/12/12 at 6:29am


Been THERE on the way to Door County, WI! I think the ice cream machine was broken the last time we went through there, too.
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post #228 of 320
3/12/12 at 6:31am
Not sure what is the better option. ruining a set of clothes while you paint all your trim in 20 minutes or wasting 3 days while you tediously paint it all by hand.

How long you in town for big?
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post #229 of 320
3/12/12 at 9:23am
The nailor diffusers u guys r using for the job, how wide r they? Not 4"? Cause i just got a pick from a distributor for 4" wide and they have 2 slots only. Also if I did want to use these in my build how do I size them properly? Cfm or by the size flex?

Thanks alot.
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post #230 of 320
3/12/12 at 9:44am
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The nailor diffusers u guys r using for the job, how wide r they? Not 4"? Cause i just got a pick from a distributor for 4" wide and they have 2 slots only. Also if I did want to use these in my build how do I size them properly? Cfm or by the size flex?

Thanks alot.

There are many different models. Here is a link to their catalog.
Nailor Catalog
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post #231 of 320
3/12/12 at 9:59am
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Not sure what is the better option. ruining a set of clothes while you paint all your trim in 20 minutes or wasting 3 days while you tediously paint it all by hand......

My wife would contend that the clothes I use for spraying are ruined before I start.
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post #232 of 320
3/12/12 at 10:40am
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The nailor diffusers u guys r using for the job, how wide r they? Not 4"? Cause i just got a pick from a distributor for 4" wide and they have 2 slots only. Also if I did want to use these in my build how do I size them properly? Cfm or by the size flex?

That's because your distributor showed you slotted vents, not bar diffusors. To size, you first determine how many CFM the HVAC contractor says he's giving you per diffusor. You then size to get velocity (not quantity) down to 200 to 250 FPM.
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post #233 of 320
3/12/12 at 12:02pm
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Not sure what is the better option. ruining a set of clothes while you paint all your trim in 20 minutes or wasting 3 days while you tediously paint it all by hand.

That my friend, is an easy question. Every man has at least a dozen shirts and pants of some kind in his closet/drawers that he will never wear again anyway. (If you aren't married yet, then maybe twice as much) This makes the choice easier. After painting all of my trim by hand, I'd use a sprayer every time given the chance.

Build is looking good! I love slot diffusers, I just didn't want to wait to order them myself.
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post #234 of 320
3/12/12 at 12:04pm
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yes, it was outdoor grill paint, actually off the shelf next to the grills, flat black. Be aware that Bzbase has prior experience with that sprayer. When he suggested that I park my car two houses down he wasn't kidding. He also had to take an extra shower in the middle of the day he painted the ceiling black. He looked like a coal miner.

Thanks BIG.

So the Geico car wasn't painted?
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post #235 of 320
3/12/12 at 12:24pm
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Nope that car was upwind. On The bar grills the ones on this project were 4x36.
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post #236 of 320
3/12/12 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by Dennis Erskine View Post

That's because your distributor showed you slotted vents, not bar diffusors. To size, you first determine how many CFM the HVAC contractor says he's giving you per diffusor. You then size to get velocity (not quantity) down to 200 to 250 FPM.

Dennis,

Thanks so much for that info. But I was referring to this thread. the ones they r using are slotted vent? i sent u a pm hope u don't mind. didn't want to hijack this thread.


thanks so much,
jim
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post #237 of 320
3/12/12 at 7:43pm
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Actually what we are using is what are listed in the Naylor catalog as bar grills not a diffusers.
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post #238 of 320
3/12/12 at 8:08pm
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Today was all about the light tray. The bottom edge of the soffit sticks out 2 inches and here is what we did with it. Glued and nailed a piece of molding at the top., Picking the right piece is important because of the way the light will highlight the ridges.



Blocks were glued and one nail.





two laps of incandescent purple rope.



Slapped a 4 1/4 inch molding in front. I will document tomorrow.



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post #239 of 320
3/13/12 at 4:49am
cool. very well lit!

jim
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post #240 of 320
3/13/12 at 6:15am
Soffit lighting looks great!!
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