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post #121 of 3331
Hi everyone noob here. I have been looking around and am wanting to get a 5010. Have one question though.

I thought i read somewhere that the projector did not have to be centered to the screen, is that true?

How far off center can it be if it is true?

How much will it affect the picture quality?

Many thanks
post #122 of 3331
Any info on THX on the 6010? Epson website says "coming soon". I'm ready to buy one, just wondering if I should wait for that feature.
post #123 of 3331
chris7878, that is true. If you go to Epson's web page and download the user guid it tells you by how much. If I remember correctly, it can do the whole screen height.
post #124 of 3331
Just got my 5010 this morning and have been setting it up - replacing an AE2000.

It's gone pretty well. I've leveled it and adjusted H and V so that it's pretty spot on.

My problem is that the bottom of the screen is discolored. Looking at the LCD alignment pattern, G is way below R and B. However, I haven't been able to adjust it so that it looks good. I've maxed R and B vertical positioning but to no effect.

I thought it might be that the projector was misaligned, but I've checked the level against the PJ and the screen and both are very close. I've even taken a piece of white paper and held it up in front of the screen varying the angle to see if that might change anything (it doesn't).

The vertical lens shift I'm using is very minimal. The top of the PJ is about even to the top of the screen.

Any thoughts or suggestions? Otherwise, it's pretty impressive.
post #125 of 3331
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Gmichael2 View Post

This may seem like a crazy question, but here goes.
I went to mount my 5010 using my old mount (used on my Sanyo Z-4). The holes can line up with no problem, but the hardware is different. The mounting holes for the Sanyo are much larger, and the Epson came with no mounting hardware. So, before I run to Lowes buying an assortment of screws, does anyone know what size I'll need?

M4x9 or M4x10 will work.
Get some metal washers to put between the screw head and mount.
And get some felt or thin rubber washers to put between the mount and projector.

Btw: The mounting screw size is listed in the manual.
post #126 of 3331
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Samrung View Post

Just got my 5010 this morning and have been setting it up - replacing an AE2000.

It's gone pretty well. I've leveled it and adjusted H and V so that it's pretty spot on.

My problem is that the bottom of the screen is discolored. Looking at the LCD alignment pattern, G is way below R and B. However, I haven't been able to adjust it so that it looks good. I've maxed R and B vertical positioning but to no effect.

I thought it might be that the projector was misaligned, but I've checked the level against the PJ and the screen and both are very close. I've even taken a piece of white paper and held it up in front of the screen varying the angle to see if that might change anything (it doesn't).

The vertical lens shift I'm using is very minimal. The top of the PJ is about even to the top of the screen.

Any thoughts or suggestions? Otherwise, it's pretty impressive.

Can you post a pic of what you are seeing?
post #127 of 3331
Has anybody tried the 5010 with the DirecTV 3D channels? They have a listing of TVs that work, but don't list projectors.
post #128 of 3331
@Carlos, you were correct, thank you.
post #129 of 3331
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

M4x9 or M4x10 will work.
Get some metal washers to put between the screw head and mount.
And get some felt or thin rubber washers to put between the mount and projector.

Btw: The mounting screw size is listed in the manual.

It is? I looked but didn't see it. I must have rushed assuming that it wouldn't be there.

I did get the screws and washers at Ace Hardware down the road. They worked great. I didn't think of the felt though. I'll pick some up for when I move the mount back for the larger screen.

Thanks.

So far I am loving this projector. It is twice the size of the Sanyo, but blends in well with the ceiling. (The ceiling is dark from the screen for only 8 feet back)
We watched Polar Express twice. The wife was impressed.
post #130 of 3331
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Originally Posted by Samrung View Post

Just got my 5010 this morning and have been setting it up - replacing an AE2000.

It's gone pretty well. I've leveled it and adjusted H and V so that it's pretty spot on.

My problem is that the bottom of the screen is discolored. Looking at the LCD alignment pattern, G is way below R and B. However, I haven't been able to adjust it so that it looks good. I've maxed R and B vertical positioning but to no effect.

I thought it might be that the projector was misaligned, but I've checked the level against the PJ and the screen and both are very close. I've even taken a piece of white paper and held it up in front of the screen varying the angle to see if that might change anything (it doesn't).

The vertical lens shift I'm using is very minimal. The top of the PJ is about even to the top of the screen.

Any thoughts or suggestions? Otherwise, it's pretty impressive.

I think I am having the same problem but worse as it is not just discoloration, it is also not sharp. My mounting is also similar to yours which is at the top of the screen. I guess the vertical shift might be causing the problem.
post #131 of 3331
Installed my 6010 yesterday. I replaced my Epson 6500 and here are my thoughts. The fan may be just a tad louder than my 6500 in Dynamic mode which is still ok. The picture definately has more pop and the colors are more vibrant, blacks are awesome and I don't even use the iris because I can see it working, just like the 6500. Very easy and forgiving set up and the mount that came with it is excellent quality. Watched Hubble 3D, Ultimate Wave Tahiti and played some games. The 3D is amazing and bright enough on my 142" Black Diamond 1.4 Gain. Hubble 3D is a must for those of you who like that sort of thing, I have yet to watch a movie as I will be installing my Anamorphic Lens today and the games I played were only Motorstorm 3D Rift and Stardust HD both were demo material as the depth and pop were, can I say amazing again? Tonight I will get into the movies and some first person shooter games and let you know if I notice any lag.

Oh, one thing to note, while watching 3D my screen would flash black every once in a while and I think I need to get an external 3D emitter as the built in one on the 6010 is only good for up to 16.5 feet and my projector is 16 feet from the screen.

John
post #132 of 3331
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post


Oh, one thing to note, while watching 3D my screen would flash black every once in a while and I think I need to get an external 3D emitter as the built in one on the 6010 is only good for up to 16.5 feet and my projector is 16 feet from the screen.

John

If you are out of emitter range, you would see the 3D double image since the glasses would not be receiving the signal to alternate the lenses on the glasses.
Sounds like you may have an HDMI cable issue.
I would first try unplugging all HDMI cables and if the issue persists, try swapping out cables.
post #133 of 3331
Some impressions from my 5010 after two days:

- The difference in contrast, blacks and color reproduction compared to my old projector (Mitsubishi HC5000) is striking. The picture is significantly brighter even in Eco mode. In the default "Cinema" preset, the colors were IMO oversaturated and not very natural though. I switched to "Natural", which looks very good to my eyes even without further calibration.

- Motion looks less blurry than with the Mitsu (perhaps because of the faster panel?), but that sometimes seems to make 24p motion judder more apparent. Of course frame interpolation can fix that, but I usually don't use it for movies (even though the lowest setting on the 5010 looks pretty good and doesn't have much of a "soap opera" look).

- In Eco mode, the noise is very low. In full power mode, it is louder, but the sound is fortunately not irritating (not a noisy fan bearing sound, but just the "swoosh" of the air flow). Not a problem for me, and Eco mode is plenty bright for 2D viewing.

- I also received my Epson 3D glasses yesterday and took the projector on a spin using my only 3D blu-ray so far, "How to Train Your Dragon". This blew me away. The experience easily rivals that in a theater. The picture is clear, sharp and stable, and the 3D impression is excellent with this movie. I noticed very little if any ghosting. The brightness is good in "3D Dynamic" mode, even the night scenes in the movie had good shadow detail. Again, the colors seemed oversaturated to me, but that can be easily corrected. The glasses are quite comfortable and easily fit over my prescription glasses. Only downside is that they don't use a rechargable battery, and you have to fiddle around with a tiny screw to change the battery.

Overall, I'm quite happy. It's pretty amazing how much projector technology has advanced in the last few years. I just wish there was more good 3D content out there (eagerly awaiting Scorsese's "Hugo") ...
post #134 of 3331
Any calibration suggestions from anyone? I just received my 5010 yesterday. Watched cowboys vs aliens and polar express in 3d. Very nice 3d. Certainly as good as my Samsung plasma. I was wondering if there are any suggestions for calibration starting points.
post #135 of 3331
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Originally Posted by jmnaas View Post

Any calibration suggestions from anyone? I just received my 5010 yesterday. Watched cowboys vs aliens and polar express in 3d. Very nice 3d. Certainly as good as my Samsung plasma. I was wondering if there are any suggestions for calibration starting points.

I would wait until you get 50 hours on your bulb before any calibration.
post #136 of 3331
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

If you are out of emitter range, you would see the 3D double image since the glasses would not be receiving the signal to alternate the lenses on the glasses.
Sounds like you may have an HDMI cable issue.
I would first try unplugging all HDMI cables and if the issue persists, try swapping out cables.

Thanks for this, I have a new HDMI cable coming this week will wait and see what happens there.
post #137 of 3331
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Originally Posted by karlsch View Post

Has anybody tried the 5010 with the DirecTV 3D channels? They have a listing of TVs that work, but don't list projectors.

I haven't checked into Direct Tv much-anyone give me a quick update of what is involved, do I need to call them-all channels on my guide are blacked out, or is it a menu setting on the receiver. Just wonder if I could try that to see if my older HDMI cable is going to work. Plan on getting either the Pan 310 or Samsung 6700 this week.
post #138 of 3331
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Originally Posted by Jeffg8 View Post


I haven't checked into Direct Tv much-anyone give me a quick update of what is involved, do I need to call them-all channels on my guide are blacked out, or is it a menu setting on the receiver. Just wonder if I could try that to see if my older HDMI cable is going to work. Plan on getting either the Pan 310 or Samsung 6700 this week.

I have directtv hooked up to my epson 5010 using older 30 foot monoprice hdmi and works perfectly. Projector recognized it immediately. The channels will stay greyed out unless the Dvr recognizes that you are connected to a 3d capable display. Need to make sure your receiver passes 3d or your directtv box will not even let you hi light the 3d channels
post #139 of 3331
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Originally Posted by jmnaas View Post

I have directtv hooked up to my epson 5010 using older 30 foot monoprice hdmi and works perfectly. Projector recognized it immediately. The channels will stay greyed out unless the Dvr recognizes that you are connected to a 3d capable display. Need to make sure your receiver passes 3d or your directtv box will not even let you hi light the 3d channels

Yup, just was playing with it when it dawned on me, the direct tv runs thru the receiver. I was planning on getting a dual HDMI out blueray to keep receiver. Didn't think about Direct Tv. Hate to have to switch out $1,500 onkyo receiver....
post #140 of 3331
I cannot seem to get my pixels to align. I do not see any movement at all when I try to adjust them. Is there something I do not know?
post #141 of 3331
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Originally Posted by Jeffg8 View Post

I haven't checked into Direct Tv much-anyone give me a quick update of what is involved, do I need to call them-all channels on my guide are blacked out, ...........

I noticed the same thing and also that they didn't appear in the "channels I get" listing in the Guide.

I called DirecTV and after an hour got to talk to a knowledgeable tech support guy.

He said it is because the 3D channels are not a part of any package that they offer – they are just there for everybody. They are the only channels like this. The guide isn't really set up for this anomaly, that's why they appear in this odd way.

I did go online and it is true that the 3D channels do not appear in any of the package offerings.

He said they will work if the proper 3D components are installed – if they aren't installed, the offending components will be listed.

I am still deciding whether to get 3D so I don’t have all of the proper components – If I try one of the 3D channels, it says I need a 3D TV and a different receiver.
post #142 of 3331
Sorry to be so late to the party, but you know how it goes sometimes. Anyways, here is my Joe6pack style review.

My HT room is 14' wide by 24' long, but opens up to the kitchen/living room that is 14'x26'. There is a partial wall between the HT room and the kitchen that is 8' long. The HT room is light controlled with dark walls, floor and furniture. The ceiling is dark from the screen for 8 feet. I had a Sanyo Z-4 and a 106" white, roller painted screen. (I have 120" white screen on back order)

The 5010 showed up Friday and I installed it Saturday afternoon. First off, this thing is way bigger than my Sanyo Z-4. Once up, I watched a few minutes of TV while I centered, sized and focused the picture. I did no calibration other than to change the 6500 number to 7000 as advised in one of the 2 reviews. It defaults to Cinema in eco mode. Even in this lowest setting, it is way brighter than my Z-4.

I put in the BR 3D Polar Express disk that came in Friday. My PS3 told me that I didn't have a 3D display connected and would show me 2D instead. I figured that it was my 5 year old HDMI cable and pushed on. Wifey and I watched the whole movie. It looked stunning. The colors really pop without looking unnatural. After the movie was over, I started playing with the settings. The first thing I saw was that the 3D was turned off. I turned it on and put the movie back in. Holey crap! The effect is amazing. Maybe I saw some crosstalk, if that's what the flickering is. I did notice more motion blur than in 2D. I guess that's the 24 refresh rate instead of 60? Even with that blur, the details are far more noticeable. Wifey and I watched the whole movie over again. It looked incredible. We saw a lot of details that we didn't notice in 2D. It did also show the roller imperfections on my screen though. Much more than in 2D. Can't wait for the 120" screen to show up.

We watched a few more shows from the TV. The 2D to 3D conversion was interesting for the first minute or so, but it seems like a complete waste to me. The shows looked great in 2D though. This thing gives a great picture. The blacks are much blacker than I am used to. The colors are richer than I've seen other than on a plasma. Even with our Christmas lights on, it still looked fantastic.

Yesterday I watched plenty-o-football. More of the same. Colors, blacks, contrast, brightness.... I couldn't ask for more. I did notice one thing though. Between scenes, when it would go black and then a show came back on, it would look extra bright for a split second, then dark for another split second, then settle on a good balance. I am assuming that is the iris at work.

I tried a few video games. I didn't notice the lag thing. But then again, I suck so bad at these games that it would be hard to tell. Maybe those 80 ns just don't have as much impact as my 2-3 second reaction time. That said, it didn't help me to play any better. I still suck just about the same as before.

So, I love this thing. Wifey and I agree that it's worth every penny. Come on new screen!
post #143 of 3331
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

I would wait until you get 50 hours on your bulb before any calibration.

Out of the box, this very nice projector is now measuring quire well in natural mode. Minor correctioms can improve it slightly and using the CMS and gray scale controls is a snap. Tom and I have been refining our calibration tonight and taking the usual bevy of measurements. There was a problem last night with the signal generator processor we were using in that it had CMS settings for another projector turned on. Pilot error. Sorry. As the cereal commercial says with a twist, Marky likes it. Tom likes it. Avery very nice really bright projector with good on off and ANSI CR for a transmissive LCD machine. Review to follow.

We have these in stock for immediate shipment. Call us and you can have one shipped to you tomorrow.
post #144 of 3331
Mark, how does it compare with the JVC RS45? I think you were supposed to have both at the same time.
post #145 of 3331
Hm, there seem to be a lot of conflicting opinions on the color reproduction. This reviewer recommends to increase color temperature to 7000K. This reviewer, on the other hand, recommends to lower it to 6000K. This (german) review finds that the colors are quite accurate out of the box (but notes that "Cinema" has a wide color space, which makes it suitable for xvYCC content, but oversaturated for DVD/BD movies). Now Mark tells us that serious calibration is required.

My personal opinion is that it looks great in "Natural" mode. I guess I'll just leave it at that for now.
post #146 of 3331
Re RS45 comparison. Haven't got that one out of the box yet. Still working on the 5010.
post #147 of 3331
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Rigby Reardon View Post

Hm, there seem to be a lot of conflicting opinions on the color reproduction. This reviewer recommends to increase color temperature to 7000K. This reviewer, on the other hand, recommends to lower it to 6000K. This (german) review finds that the colors are quite accurate out of the box (but notes that "Cinema" has a wide color space, which makes it suitable for xvYCC content, but oversaturated for DVD/BD movies). Now Mark tells us that serious calibration is required.

My personal opinion is that it looks great in "Natural" mode. I guess I'll just leave it at that for now.

If you trust your eyes, use them as a guide to set the PQ.

Also, use those reviews as a guideline but remember that they are subjective depending on viewing environment and screen material/gain.

I set mine to 6000K because the picture was a little cool(blue) for me at 6500K.
The higher you go, the cooler(bluer) the picture.
The lower you go the warmer(golden/brown/yellow) the picture.
*Just like headlight lamps(HIDS)

If you want to do your own calibration, it's recommened that you wait until the bulb burns in at least 50-100 hours.

You can get one of these and use the link below for a guide.

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
post #148 of 3331
I just recieved me 5010 and came from a 3010. I can say the color accuracy and black levels are much better out of the box.

This is my first projector experience so I am having a few minor issues.

1. I have the pj ceiling mounted with its lense centered with the top of my fixed Elite 100" screen. Mounting distance is 12'.

I am having an issue with the 5010 that I did not have with the 3010. My image is slightly larger on the right side of the screen. It is about .5" larger which makes perfect alignment impossible. This is different than a keystone issue which would make the top or bottom sides larger or smaller.

I have inspected my screen and it is flat against the wall. I am dialing in a little of lense shift to center the image which I think could be the culprit. Should I just adjust my pj stand and leave my lense shift at default?
post #149 of 3331
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Originally Posted by teebo2345 View Post

I just recieved me 5010 and came from a 3010. I can say the color accuracy and black levels are much better out of the box.

This is my first projector experience so I am having a few minor issues.

1. I have the pj ceiling mounted with its lense centered with the top of my fixed Elite 100" screen. Mounting distance is 12'.

I am having an issue with the 5010 that I did not have with the 3010. My image is slightly larger on the right side of the screen. It is about .5" larger which makes perfect alignment impossible. This is different than a keystone issue which would make the top or bottom sides larger or smaller.

I have inspected my screen and it is flat against the wall. I am dialing in a little of lense shift to center the image which I think could be the culprit. Should I just adjust my pj stand and leave my lense shift at default?

Rotate the projector to where the image is shifted left/right of the screen, and re-center the image with the horz. lens shift. This will adjust "parallelogram"/skewed looking geometry.

You're basically making sure the projector is square to the screen (the front face of the projector should be on the same plane as the screen, on all axis's)
post #150 of 3331
Your first hand reviews of the 5010 are really making me want to get rid of my 8350 now. At first I was skeptical because of Art and Bill's reviews didnt seem to make the 5010 out to be as good as some of you all are.
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