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post #1231 of 3037
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Originally Posted by nemos View Post

In my country, a lot of people we purchased thw 9000 (5010) we have a huge problem with focus. No matter where we focus, a large part of screen is out of focus.
(some we have also and green color the edge of the sceen)

I read here (5010/6010 thread) many people have the same problem with focus (blur image)
strangely the epson 3010 does not show this behavior.
I suspect bad lens assembly in epson 5010/6010

We do not know whether to blame some bad import or the problem is in all epson 5010/6010 everywhere.
Is there a single holder, where to have the 5010 without any problem in focus here in avsforum. ?

I live in Canada and have the 6010 and have perfect focus.

So maybe bad batch to your area of world?

Hope this gives hope to you that there are good units
post #1232 of 3037
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Originally Posted by muad'dib View Post

I live in Canada and have the 6010 and have perfect focus.

So maybe bad batch to your area of world?

Hope this gives hope to you that there are good units

Like your name. Read those books and saw the movies. (worm rider)

Also just a reminder, Epson continued the sale on the 5010 and 5010e to the end of March.
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post #1233 of 3037
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemos View Post

In my country, a lot of people we purchased thw 9000 (5010) we have a huge problem with focus. No matter where we focus, a large part of screen is out of focus.
(some we have also and green color the edge of the sceen)

I read here (5010/6010 thread) many people have the same problem with focus (blur image)
strangely the epson 3010 does not show this behavior.
I suspect bad lens assembly in epson 5010/6010

We do not know whether to blame some bad import or the problem is in all epson 5010/6010 everywhere.
Is there a single holder, where to have the 5010 without any problem in focus here in avsforum. ?

Most who have had focus issues have had one of these or more setups:

1. Ceiling mounted and using a lot of lens shift.
2. Shelf mount and using a lot of lens shift.
3. Have subwoofers that shake the house enough that nails are coming out of the walls, which also cause the focus rings to move.

Most of corrected their focus issue by mounting the projector in a spot that requires little or moderate lens shift and toning down their LFE.
If the LFE is causing the issue, some have taped down their lens shift & focus rings down with tape after final adjustment. I suggest using painters tape as it can be removed easily and leave little to no residue.

*Some have found that the focus will drift after about 30 minutes of warm up.
If this is your case, focus the projector after about 30 minutes of warm up.
Then next time you use the projector, the picture may look slightly out of focus for the first 20-30 minutes until it warms up. DO NOT adjust the focus when you first turn on the projector.
post #1234 of 3037
We are talk about, Shelf mount, no lens shift at all, and screen/projector calibrated between them.
we are not talking about focus drift after a while, but the 30-60% of screen always is out of focus.
We focus the right side, and the left is out of focus and opposite.
I read in avs many have problem with blur image.
I hope this is was a bad batch, we all take the epson at the same time and probably from the same batch.
post #1235 of 3037
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Originally Posted by nemos View Post

We are talk about, Shelf mount, no lens shift at all, and screen/projector calibrated between them.
we are not talking about focus drift after a while, but the 30-60% of screen always is out of focus.
We focus the right side, and the left is out of focus and opposite.
I read in avs many have problem with blur image.
I hope this is was a bad batch, we all take the epson at the same time and probably from the same batch.

Mmmm, perhaps we can all somehow find our build dates/batch codes, etc and see if there is any truth in this ?
post #1236 of 3037
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemos View Post

We are talk about, Shelf mount, no lens shift at all, and screen/projector calibrated between them.
we are not talking about focus drift after a while, but the 30-60% of screen always is out of focus.
We focus the right side, and the left is out of focus and opposite.
I read in avs many have problem with blur image.
I hope this is was a bad batch, we all take the epson at the same time and probably from the same batch.

Did you make any convergence/LCD pixel adjustments?
post #1237 of 3037
few of us we all ready return the projector for a new one.
Some, they trade the 5010 for jvc-30.
I'm waiting 22 days now for a new batch of epson 5010 but stiil nothing.
Perhaps next week.
So, if the rest of you dont have blur image with bad focus, i will try for the next piece of 5010. I hope not to late.
The bad thing is, if the new one arrives with problem again, i must waiting again 15-20 days until new order arrives.
Local stores dont have stock at all. We all waiting.

And yes , we make pixel aligment, the problems is still there.
post #1238 of 3037
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Originally Posted by eazyriderr View Post

CrocDoc, I notice you have a white ceiling do you get a lot of light reflected back to the screen? I also have a white ceiling and my TW9000 (6010) is reflecting a bit of light back on bright scenes and washing out some of the colors. I'm thinking about painting darker.

I had a white ceiling with my previous Sony SXRD projector. After I painted the ceiling black and hung up black drapes, the visible improvement in contrast was dramatic.

Don Stewart (of Stewart screens) said in this AVSForum thread post that with white walls (including ceiling) "projecting on a light scattering matte white surface the CR [ANSI checkerboard contrast ratio] falls to below 70 to 1."

It isn't easy to take full advantage of the higher contrast of today's better HT projectors including the 5010/6010. Even flat black paint reflects a lot of light. (See earlier posts in this thread for discussion on the best black paint.) Some black fabrics do better.

Addressing Crocdoc's question about ceiling drapes, I can't think of a way to do it that wouldn't look like an Arab tent. Perhaps rotating wood slats (like Venetian blinds) that are painted white on one side and black on the other would work.

Another thought I had was to use beams like this:

Attachment 239792

The side of the beams facing the screen would be painted black or black felt and the ceiling (except that part very close to the screen) and back side of the beams could be light wood like the picture or painted white.
LL
post #1239 of 3037
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemos View Post

And yes , we make pixel aligment, the problems is still there.

Turn off LCD pixel alignment.
This will cause the adjustment to go back to default.
Then see if focus is any better.

If you read through this thread, making LCD pixel alignment can make things worse if you do to much, adjust certain areas or use certain increments.
post #1240 of 3037
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Turn off LCD pixel alignment.
This will cause the adjustment to go back to default.
Then see if focus is any better.

If you read through this thread, making LCD pixel alignment can make things worse if you do to much, adjust certain areas or use certain increments.

The problem exist even with ailigment off. We are sure our units is defected.
Do not forget these units also had (more or less) green color at the edge of screen from the 10-20 hours as new.

Just looking to find out if this is a bad batch problem or general problem in this model.
From answers/suggestions, i presume the 5010/6010 has good focus, we just take defected units.
The hope came back again.
post #1241 of 3037
Mine is kind of bad too. Nice focus on the right side and poor on the left side. Maybe something worse, it is like the left pixels are fatter, and the different colors are different sizes. Pixel alignement is putting a thin red line on top of a fat green one. Still it looks pretty awesome watching movies, and even programming.
post #1242 of 3037
I have the 5010 and was not happy with the picture clarity compared to a panasonic unit I owned previously. I want to thank everyone for the advice and direction on doing the pixel alignment. After much frustration I have it dialed in and looking good. One comment for those who have their unit mounted from the ceiling and upside down. When you go to do the pixel alignment and the yellow box is 3 stops from the left, for example. You will actually be adjusting the spot 3 stops from the right. I was looking at the yellow box and pressing the adjustments and nothing was happening. Finally realized the lines on the other side of the screen were moving. Very strange that this was overlooked when they manufactured it. Anyway, its all good now and I'm very happy with the unit.
post #1243 of 3037
Tonight, my 5010 refused to work.

The lens cover would open, but the bulb would not come on (and, I'm assuming because of that fact, my screen wouldn't come down because the trigger wasn't fired). The fan would go full blast, and the only thing I could do was turn it off with the physical switch on the rear of the unit. During this, I had a flashing blue light, but none of the other indicators were doing anything at all.

It did this 3 times in a row.

I was about to give up, but it came on on the 4th try. I immediately went into the menu. 54 hours total on the unit/bulb.

Is it time to call Epson and get a replacement projector?

Thanks.
-Kevin
post #1244 of 3037
[quote=dna;21752075]I had a white ceiling with my previous Sony SXRD projector. After I painted the ceiling black and hung up black drapes, the visible improvement in contrast was dramatic.

My current image quality is great but if I can improve it even further I'll do it.
post #1245 of 3037
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KevinG View Post

Tonight, my 5010 refused to work.

The lens cover would open, but the bulb would not come on (and, I'm assuming because of that fact, my screen wouldn't come down because the trigger wasn't fired). The fan would go full blast, and the only thing I could do was turn it off with the physical switch on the rear of the unit. During this, I had a flashing blue light, but none of the other indicators were doing anything at all.

It did this 3 times in a row.

I was about to give up, but it came on on the 4th try. I immediately went into the menu. 54 hours total on the unit/bulb.

Is it time to call Epson and get a replacement projector?

Thanks.
-Kevin

You should wait for the projector to shutdown.
It may take 5 minutes but if there is an issue, it will shutdown.
Doing a forced shutdown using the power switch is not good.

If this happens again, don't shut it off.
Watch the LEDs on the projector and let it shutdown on its own.
Hopefully, the LEDs will tell you something. Watch them closely and make note of the color and flash rate then refer to the manual.
post #1246 of 3037
Quote:
Originally Posted by dna View Post

I had a white ceiling with my previous Sony SXRD projector. After I painted the ceiling black and hung up black drapes, the visible improvement in contrast was dramatic.

Don Stewart (of Stewart screens) said in this AVSForum thread post that with white walls (including ceiling) "projecting on a light scattering matte white surface the CR [ANSI checkerboard contrast ratio] falls to below 70 to 1."

It isn't easy to take full advantage of the higher contrast of today's better HT projectors including the 5010/6010. Even flat black paint reflects a lot of light. (See earlier posts in this thread for discussion on the best black paint.) Some black fabrics do better.

Addressing Crocdoc's question about ceiling drapes, I can't think of a way to do it that wouldn't look like an Arab tent. Perhaps rotating wood slats (like Venetian blinds) that are painted white on one side and black on the other would work.

Another thought I had was to use beams like this:

Attachment 239792

The side of the beams facing the screen would be painted black or black felt and the ceiling (except that part very close to the screen) and back side of the beams could be light wood like the picture or painted white.

Thank you David for the ideas. Since I can't paint my ceiling, and I really don't want to modify my ceiling by nailing or screwing into it, what if I used a 45 wide roll of adhesive black velvet cloth? I could get 20 feet of it and put it along the screen wall. Would that make a big enough difference in contrast? I could just pull it down should I decide to sell my home someday. Hopefully it wouldn't damage the ceiling?? I have the fine texture, not the large popcorn texture. I could hang some nicer looking black drapes instead, and hang them on some hooks screwed into the ceiling joists. Any thoughts?

Thanks
post #1247 of 3037
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Originally Posted by nemos View Post

We are talk about, Shelf mount, no lens shift at all, and screen/projector calibrated between them.
we are not talking about focus drift after a while, but the 30-60% of screen always is out of focus.
We focus the right side, and the left is out of focus and opposite.
I read in avs many have problem with blur image.
I hope this is was a bad batch, we all take the epson at the same time and probably from the same batch.

is the projector level and perpandicular to the screen?
post #1248 of 3037
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Originally Posted by VRDnhorns View Post

is the projector level and perpandicular to the screen?

For using 0 (zero) lens shift the projector must be 11 cm below ( or higher/Ceiling mounted)
from center of screen. In my case, the projector it was at the same height from the center of the screen and shelf mounted.
LL
post #1249 of 3037
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Originally Posted by nemos View Post

For using 0 (zero) lens shift the projector must be 11 cm below ( or higher/Ceiling mounted)
from center of screen. In my case, the projector it was at the same height from the center of the screen and shelf mounted.

It would be also a good idea if we could all project the same image and then post the results, so we have an apples to apples comparison. Along with how the unit is mounted, etc.

Is that possible ?
post #1250 of 3037
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

You should wait for the projector to shutdown.
It may take 5 minutes but if there is an issue, it will shutdown.
Doing a forced shutdown using the power switch is not good.

If this happens again, don't shut it off.
Watch the LEDs on the projector and let it shutdown on its own.
Hopefully, the LEDs will tell you something. Watch them closely and make note of the color and flash rate then refer to the manual.

Will do...thanks.
post #1251 of 3037
I have been having the same problems with inconsistent focus. I get decent on the middle to middle right but the left is pretty bad. I have noticed in the pixel calibration that when I move the red or blue away from the green lines the green lines appear to be smudged and approx. 2-3 pixels in width. I have been thinking about getting a replacement. My projector is shelf mounted with almost no lens shift. Any suggestions?
post #1252 of 3037
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

You should wait for the projector to shutdown.
It may take 5 minutes but if there is an issue, it will shutdown.
Doing a forced shutdown using the power switch is not good.

If this happens again, don't shut it off.
Watch the LEDs on the projector and let it shutdown on its own.
Hopefully, the LEDs will tell you something. Watch them closely and make note of the color and flash rate then refer to the manual.

Mine will sometimes do that loud blasting for a while and then actually turn on after a few minutes. It is kind of a roll of the dice on how mine is going to start up.
post #1253 of 3037
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

Mine will sometimes do that loud blasting for a while and then actually turn on after a few minutes. It is kind of a roll of the dice on how mine is going to start up.

Wow...that doesn't sound good at all. If mine misbehaves a single time this weekend, I'm getting on the phone.
post #1254 of 3037
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Originally Posted by CrocDoc View Post

Thank you David for the ideas. Since I can't paint my ceiling, and I really don't want to modify my ceiling by nailing or screwing into it, what if I used a 45 wide roll of adhesive black velvet cloth? I could get 20 feet of it and put it along the screen wall. Would that make a big enough difference in contrast? I could just pull it down should I decide to sell my home someday. Hopefully it wouldn't damage the ceiling?? I have the fine texture, not the large popcorn texture. I could hang some nicer looking black drapes instead, and hang them on some hooks screwed into the ceiling joists. Any thoughts?

Thanks

The screen wall itself isn't likely a problem since light coming off the screen can't hit it, but 45" along the sides and ceiling would make huge difference I bet. Next time you watch a bright movie look around and see where the light is brightest off the walls. Everything I have is flat black in my room, but the reflections off the flat black walls are still pretty noticable in that first 4 feet. With my Vutec Silverstar no light hits the ceiling that I can see. High Gain magic ftw.
If my contractor hadn't stole my money and ran, my room would be 6' deeper and I would mount the screen not on the wall, but just in front of the speakers and build a false wall out of speaker cloth. That would make a huge difference in my room.
post #1255 of 3037
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

Mine will sometimes do that loud blasting for a while and then actually turn on after a few minutes. It is kind of a roll of the dice on how mine is going to start up.

That's what mind started to do around 80 hours on the original bulb.
Then around 100 hours, it shutdown twice after the loud/superfan activation but I watched the projector LED's and noticed it was telling me the bulb was bad.
I got a new bulb and everything has been fine. No loud/superfan activation.
I'm now at around 40 hours on my new bulb and it's starting again.

I might hold off on getting a replacement projector or bulb just to see if may be this is temp related.
It has been getting colder and I'm wonder if the projector has a sensor on the bulb and if the temp is too cold, it shuts down. (just a thoery).

It seems we are getting a good amount of reports of this high fan activation and 2-3 minute bulb on delay that may be there is a SW or maybe a bulb issue.
post #1256 of 3037
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

That's what mind started to do around 80 hours on the original bulb.
Then around 100 hours, it shutdown twice after the loud/superfan activation but I watched the projector LED's and noticed it was telling me the bulb was bad.
I got a new bulb and everything has been fine. No loud/superfan activation.
I'm now at around 40 hours on my new bulb and it's starting again.

I might hold off on getting a replacement projector or bulb just to see if may be this is temp related.
It has been getting colder and I'm wonder if the projector has a sensor on the bulb and if the temp is too cold, it shuts down. (just a thoery).

It seems we are getting a good amount of reports of this high fan activation and 2-3 minute bulb on delay that may be there is a SW or maybe a bulb issue.

Everytime my 6010 starts up the FAN is HOWLING AWAY for a few minutes...then the bulb lights up and fan gets quiet and all is good. But I only have 30 hours or so...

Guess Time Will Tell
post #1257 of 3037
It isn't supposed to do that. Half the time mine will just turn on quietly and quickly.
post #1258 of 3037
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

It isn't supposed to do that. Half the time mine will just turn on quietly and quickly.

That's exactly how mine powered up when I first got it and after bulb replacement.
Then 40 hours later on the new bulb, the projector is now doing this high fan mode & takes the bulb/logo about 1-2 minutes to come on.

After the initial new bulb change, it never went in to high fan mode & took about 30 seconds from power on before the Espon logo was displayed until recently.

There should be no reason for the projector to turn on high fan mode at start up when you are using ECO mode.
Nothing has heated up yet at this point.
post #1259 of 3037
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

The screen wall itself isn't likely a problem since light coming off the screen can't hit it, but 45" along the sides and ceiling would make huge difference I bet. Next time you watch a bright movie look around and see where the light is brightest off the walls. Everything I have is flat black in my room, but the reflections off the flat black walls are still pretty noticable in that first 4 feet. With my Vutec Silverstar no light hits the ceiling that I can see. High Gain magic ftw.
If my contractor hadn't stole my money and ran, my room would be 6' deeper and I would mount the screen not on the wall, but just in front of the speakers and build a false wall out of speaker cloth. That would make a huge difference in my room.

Thank you. I was talking about putting the velvet on the ceiling parallel to the screen and right next to it. That first 4 feet on the ceiling is where I see the most light reflected off of the screen. I think I will just keep it the way it is since my wife will not let me paint the ceiling, and the more I think about the velvet, I don't know if it is a good idea. I think I will consider a masking system instead.

Thanks.
post #1260 of 3037
The best think I think would be velvet sound deadening panels. The side ones could support the top one. Of course you could paint it anyway. If you ever leave that room, it will take less time to paint it back than to move out all the speakers
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