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post #1501 of 3040
4/4/12 at 7:24am
Good Moring All!

I just picked up a Epson 5010 with 2 pairs of 3D glasses for 2135 out the door!

I am pretty excited! I know there are a few calibrations suggestions in the thread, but I would like your opinions on what mught work best for me.

The screen is currently 102 inches in a light controlled basement with white walls.

Any suggestions would be great!

Also what is the best 3D bluray to try?

Thanks!
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post #1502 of 3040
4/4/12 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by homerjr43 View Post

Good Moring All!

I just picked up a Epson 5010 with 2 pairs of 3D glasses for 2135 out the door!

Thanks!


Where did you find that deal?
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post #1503 of 3040
4/4/12 at 7:54am
Locally in Toledo OH..not sure if we are allowed to give specifics on the forums...
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post #1504 of 3040
4/4/12 at 10:40am
I spent a few hours tweaking the LCD panel alignment and managed to get the projector's 187 point grid pretty well aligned. The lines were uniformly white so I figured it was job done. I then thought to double check onvergence with the AVS HD 709 disc and used pattern C2 (small 1080p Crosshatch). The single white pixels still looked good, even looking closeup thru a macro lens. BUT, when I changed to the Resolution patterns (D1 - D6) I saw that the screen image had LOTS of color blotches across the screen. Turning the LCD Alignment option OFF resolved the issue and the screen went back to a uniform gray. Turning LCD panel alignment back ON, the color blotches came back.

Has anyone else checked their color uniformity after aligning their panels/pixels? Does this mean we have to choose between either aligned panels and uniform gray? Or is there something else going on??

Ion
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post #1505 of 3040
4/4/12 at 11:36am
If you don't adjust in increments of 8 I would expect it to mess with some resolution tests, since each color will be split across two different pixels.
But, as I always say, I never invite a bunch of friends over to watch test patterns. Try watching a movie and see how it looks.
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post #1506 of 3040
4/4/12 at 12:00pm
Can anyone tell me the max screen size for this projector at 8.5 feet? I currently have a tw4000 and recently moved and Have a much shorter throw distance now. The tw4000 is only doing about 83" from this distance so if I could hit 92" or 100" I would look at upgrading.
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post #1507 of 3040
4/4/12 at 12:07pm
Edit...I must have entered the wrong PJ ....it's 87".

xx" according to elite projector calculator
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Originally Posted by RonDMC View Post

Can anyone tell me the max screen size for this projector at 8.5 feet? I currently have a tw4000 and recently moved and Have a much shorter throw distance now. The tw4000 is only doing about 83" from this distance so if I could hit 92" or 100" I would look at upgrading.
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post #1508 of 3040
4/4/12 at 12:08pm
based on the calculator, at 8.5 feet you will max out at 86 inches. I used projector centrals calc
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post #1509 of 3040
4/4/12 at 2:39pm
The Optoma GT750 is only 720p but has a short throw that would work for you for any screen size.
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post #1510 of 3040
4/4/12 at 3:34pm
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

If you don't adjust in increments of 8 I would expect it to mess with some resolution tests, since each color will be split across two different pixels.
But, as I always say, I never invite a bunch of friends over to watch test patterns. Try watching a movie and see how it looks.

Personally I struggle to detect these color variations during a movie because it changes too quickly. But if aligning pixels does cause non-uniform color, which it did in my case, then it would make any subsequent projector calibration pointless

My guess is that Epson uses software to apply individual corrections to each machine at the factory. Since each of the three LCD panels has small variations Epson would correct (i.e., distort) the R/G/B color grids to compensate for these variations and provide a uniform gray field. Digital cameras do the same thing to correct their lens. If this is the case, then any adjustments we make to the color grids to re-align them is simply removing the corrections that Epson made.

Since Epson isn't going to tell us, I'm wondering if anyone else who has made these LCD panel/pixel alignment tweaks (which we know is done in software rather than physically) has also seen color distortions in their gray fields? I'd be grateful if someone could check their projector and let us know.

Ion
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post #1511 of 3040
4/4/12 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by Yzfbossman View Post

Edit...I must have entered the wrong PJ ....it's 87".

xx" according to elite projector calculator

Thanks for the info guys. I actually checked myself but wanted to be 100%.
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post #1512 of 3040
4/5/12 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by chiusheung View Post

I got the 5010 a few weeks ago and I get two problems I have not seen anyone mentioned in this forum.

I've an Oppo BDP-95 whose HDMI 1 (primary video output) is connected directly to the 5010. The Oppo's HDMI 2 is hooked up to an Integra Prepro (DHC-9.9) that is connected to the second HDMI port in the 5010. My Integra Prepro does not support 3-D, hence the direct link between the Oppo and the 5010.

When I use the Oppo via the Integra, everything works fine.

When I try to use the direct link between the Oppo and 5010, sometimes it works. But other times, I get a red background. The DVD would play with a red solid red background. When I switch to 5010's other HDMI port (the one connected to the Integra) temporarily and then switch back to the HDMI with the Oppo direct link, I get a no signal notice on the screen. A couple of times, instead of the no signal note, I got the following message: "H 67.56 kHz V 60.05 Hz Not Supported."

However, when I turn off the Oppo and turn it back on again, everything is fine and I can play DVD's, Blu-rays, and 3-D's except with one problem.

When I play a disc, DVD or Blu-ray or 3D, the disc would start but the picture would not appear until a few seconds later. In other words, there's a delay of a few seconds after the disc starts and before the 5010 catches on, and I miss the first few seconds of video. This also happens if I stop the movie in the middle and then resume it. There's again a delay of a few seconds before the projector catches on.

Since the audio is coming from the other HDMI via the Integra, the sound would come first followed by the picture a few seconds later. There's no problem with the audio and video sync. The lip sync is perfect.

This problem occurs whether I'm connecting the Oppo directly to the 5010's HDMI 1 or HDMI 2.

I have tried two different HDMI cables, Monoprice (15 ft) and Monster Cable Ultimate High Speed (12 ft.) with the same result. These cables are supposed to be 3-D capable.

I'd appreciate if someone could offer some suggestions as to the cause of these two problems and hopefully a solution to them.

Thanks in advance.

Hi chiusheung,

I have the Oppo BDP-93 and the 6010 and have exactly the same issues as you. The only way to ensure it works is as you have done turn on the PJ, switch the input to HDMI1 and then turn on the Oppo. If for any reason I switch over to HDMI2 and then back to HDMI1 same thing I got the following message: "H 67.56 kHz V 60.05 Hz Not Supported." or No signal. Have to switch off and start again.

It is pretty frustrating not being able to switch input.

Did you have any luck on the Oppo forum. Haven't had a chance to get over there yet. Checked my firmware on my 6010 today and it is the latest (Ver.104) Will check the Oppo tomorrow. Have tried several HDMI cables but again no luck.
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post #1513 of 3040
4/5/12 at 8:17pm
So gang...in all reality I am a "home theater newbie"

I think I am getting it, but I have a question. So I get what the auto iris is supposed to do...make things darker. HOWEVER has anyone else noticed that it also "shifts" the colors of say the actors faces?

For example in the girl with the dragon tattoo, in the torture basement - it was bright bright...then got dark...well it was super obvious there was all kinds of wacky color shifting.

Is that NORMAL with all auto iris's, is that a problem with the 6010 and the firmware should fix? or am I just a filming error ?

Has anyone else noticed this ?
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post #1514 of 3040
4/5/12 at 10:54pm
Just got my 5010. Using it with OPPO 93. Although the 5010 identifies the HD Link as OPPO 93, it will not display the 3D mode and the OPPO setup won't allow the 3D output either. Manual says the device requirement requires 3D glasses; I guess it knows I Don't have the 3D glasses yet.

Spent the next 8 hours evaluating.
Ran all the calibration discs: AVIA, DVE, SPEARS MUNSIL, HQV SILICON OPTIX.

Very impressive and I thought I had an unbeatable Epson 8500. Using Cinema Mode at 6500 degrees with all 'custom' settings initially set to zero, "jaggies, film or video resolution, color accuracy, resolution motion tests"; all the tests passed without exceptions. That's a first.

There is a one pixel red convergence error at some part of the edges. I twiddled the pixel adjustment around center areas. Moving one pixel in any direction does not result in gray area discoloration; I will take a closer look.
Switching the aperture on and off, I don't see any 'color shifting' as reported.

Focus is sharp in every area of the 120 inch screen. The blacks are exceptional and probably better than the 8500. Even the wife said the blacks and the "color range" seemed much improved. She immediately noticed the increase in brightness in ECO Mode. Plenty of picture "pop". Could not find fault with the wide color primary range and in "Cinema", could not imagine any way to improve the overall picture result. The picture is gorgeous.

The only negative was the 'super resolution' settings which resulted in plastic appearing faces when in movement and very sharp for stills.

I will continue experimenting with the settings; but, out-of-the-box could not be better.

Checked the firmware and it is 101. should be 104. I hate to fool with it.
gil
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post #1515 of 3040
4/6/12 at 5:13am
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Originally Posted by homerjr43 View Post

Good Moring All!

I just picked up a Epson 5010 with 2 pairs of 3D glasses for 2135 out the door!

I am pretty excited! I know there are a few calibrations suggestions in the thread, but I would like your opinions on what mught work best for me.

The screen is currently 102 inches in a light controlled basement with white walls.

Any suggestions would be great!

Also what is the best 3D bluray to try?

Thanks!


congrats. If you want best pops out in your face blu ray that would be "A Turtle's Tale: Sammy's Adventures 3D"

Best show off and depth "Avatar"
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post #1516 of 3040
4/6/12 at 7:08am
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

So gang...in all reality I am a "home theater newbie"

I think I am getting it, but I have a question. So I get what the auto iris is supposed to do...make things darker. HOWEVER has anyone else noticed that it also "shifts" the colors of say the actors faces?

For example in the girl with the dragon tattoo, in the torture basement - it was bright bright...then got dark...well it was super obvious there was all kinds of wacky color shifting.

Is that NORMAL with all auto iris's, is that a problem with the 6010 and the firmware should fix? or am I just a filming error ?

Has anyone else noticed this ?

I haven't really noticed anything but to test your theory, the next time you encounter something like this, turn off Auto Iris and re-watch the same scene and see if the color shift is present. This will help isolate if it's the iris or film/movie.
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post #1517 of 3040
4/6/12 at 7:17am
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

I think I am getting it, but I have a question. So I get what the auto iris is supposed to do...make things darker. HOWEVER has anyone else noticed that it also "shifts" the colors of say the actors faces?

I watch everything with the IRIS OFF.

The PJ has great contrast without trying to complicate things.
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post #1518 of 3040
4/6/12 at 7:22am
Folks,

My picture is off like shown on this link save mine is on the bottom right whereas the link shows the problem on the bottom left. Keystone is at 0 and don't want to touch that as it doesn't do anything anyways with respect to my problem.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/proje...on-tw5500.html

Does it make sense for me to twist it left (again, my issue is on the bottom right whereas pic/link shows issue on bottom left..otherwise, exact same issue). I've tried twisting it left, while holding it, and it doesn't seem to make a difference so I'm not sure if up/down or left/right or a combination of both is in order?

What do you set your Auto Iris to, OFF/Normal/High Speed and do you keep it on ECO mode? I suspect either of these settings, when adjusted from OFF or ECO will significantly degrade bulb life?
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post #1519 of 3040
4/6/12 at 8:46am
[quote=MStanic;21875066]Folks,

My picture is off like shown on this link save mine is on the bottom right whereas the link shows the problem on the bottom left. Keystone is at 0 and don't want to touch that as it doesn't do anything anyways with respect to my problem.

http://www.avforums.com/forums/proje...on-tw5500.html

Does it make sense for me to twist it left (again, my issue is on the bottom right whereas pic/link shows issue on bottom left..otherwise, exact same issue). I've tried twisting it left, while holding it, and it doesn't seem to make a difference so I'm not sure if up/down or left/right or a combination of both is in order?

Yes. Just try moving left or right and recenter with the offset control. This is not an internal problem; just positioning. It is a smaller left top-to-bottom dimension that is aiming correctable (not lower left).
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post #1520 of 3040
4/6/12 at 10:03am
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

So gang...in all reality I am a "home theater newbie"

I think I am getting it, but I have a question. So I get what the auto iris is supposed to do...make things darker. HOWEVER has anyone else noticed that it also "shifts" the colors of say the actors faces?

For example in the girl with the dragon tattoo, in the torture basement - it was bright bright...then got dark...well it was super obvious there was all kinds of wacky color shifting.

Is that NORMAL with all auto iris's, is that a problem with the 6010 and the firmware should fix? or am I just a filming error ?

Has anyone else noticed this ?

The size of the opening in the iris cannot affect color. You can do the same thing with your eye... get a piece of thin cardboard and punch different sizes of holes in it, then hold each hole up to your eye. You do not see any difference in color. Same thing with an iris. My guess is that if you view the scene again with the auto iris turned off, the color shifts will still be there because they happened in the camera, not in the projector. If it happens in the movie, it's almost 100% certain it was done on purpose rather than accidentally.
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post #1521 of 3040
4/6/12 at 11:59am
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HOWEVER has anyone else noticed that it also "shifts" the colors of say the actors faces?

Assuming that it isn't just one bad video as 42Plasmaman mentioned above, I'm wondering if your projector's gray scale calibration is off. You can tell if this is the case by first turning off your auto-iris then either view a gray scale test pattern (this is the best way) or a black and white movie. Everything from dark to bright scenes should be black, white or shades of gray with no color tint. If you find that color shifts depending on how bright the picture is (again, this is with the auto iris OFF) then your projector needs calibrating.

It is, unfortunately, very common for many types of video display devices including projectors to have less than perfect gray scale tracking. It is also the most difficult to adjust by eye. If it is off by more than an acceptable amount, then you either need to have a professional calibrate it or exchange your projector. However in the later case there is no guarantee that the next one won't be as bad or worse.
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post #1522 of 3040
4/6/12 at 3:42pm
Hi All,

This is my first post.
I just installed my new 6010 with a fixed 106" screen.
It's installed from the ceiling about 13ft away from the screen.
The image is skewed upwards by about 2 inches on the bottom right corner only. All other sides are perfectly straight and aligned with the edges of the screen.
I cannot find any way to adjust the image (other than keystone which is fine)

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I'm at my wits end.

[edit] I tried moving the image to either side to see if it makes a difference, tried removing the screen and projecting on the wall and tried making the image small. All to no avail.

TIA,

Andrew
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post #1523 of 3040
4/6/12 at 4:04pm
Never mind, I need to learn how to search the thread better. This problem was addressed in this thread #149 (can't post links yet )

Thanks.

Andrew
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post #1524 of 3040
4/6/12 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by dna View Post

Assuming that it isn't just one bad video as 42Plasmaman mentioned above, I'm wondering if your projector's gray scale calibration is off. You can tell if this is the case by first turning off your auto-iris then either view a gray scale test pattern (this is the best way) or a black and white movie. Everything from dark to bright scenes should be black, white or shades of gray with no color tint. If you find that color shifts depending on how bright the picture is (again, this is with the auto iris OFF) then your projector needs calibrating.

It is, unfortunately, very common for many types of video display devices including projectors to have less than perfect gray scale tracking. It is also the most difficult to adjust by eye. If it is off by more than an acceptable amount, then you either need to have a professional calibrate it or exchange your projector. However in the later case there is no guarantee that the next one won't be as bad or worse.

Everybody thanks for the tips...I won't get a chance to test it out till next week. Wife has me going to visit the inlaws for Easter.
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post #1525 of 3040
4/6/12 at 6:00pm
In the meantime, someone also posted this question...what is supposed to be the advantage of HIGH SPEED iris vs NORMAL ?
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post #1526 of 3040
4/6/12 at 7:53pm
I have a projector box in the back wall of my room. The base of the box is almost exactly at the upper border of my screen. Screen is 159" and the projector is about 23' away. I am aware already that the brightness might be so-so at this range but I can't afford a larger projector now.

Can a put the 5010 in this box without using any additional projector mount? At this position, would the projector need to be up-side-down? I would prefer to mount it right side up and just sit it in the box up there if possible.
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post #1527 of 3040
4/7/12 at 8:20am
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Originally Posted by amerisanu View Post

Hi All,

This is my first post.
I just installed my new 6010 with a fixed 106" screen.
It's installed from the ceiling about 13ft away from the screen.
The image is skewed upwards by about 2 inches on the bottom right corner only. All other sides are perfectly straight and aligned with the edges of the screen.
I cannot find any way to adjust the image (other than keystone which is fine)

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I'm at my wits end.

[edit] I tried moving the image to either side to see if it makes a difference, tried removing the screen and projecting on the wall and tried making the image small. All to no avail.

TIA,

Andrew

Hi Andrew,

I had the same problem with my first projector and screen and what I found was that the wall that I had my fixed frame on was not parallel to the projector, I actually had to unfasten the one side and shim it out two inches. A way to check this is to measure from each corner of the screen to your lens trying to get the same distance from the top two corners and same from the bottom.

John
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post #1528 of 3040
4/7/12 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by amerisanu View Post

Hi All,

This is my first post.
I just installed my new 6010 with a fixed 106" screen.
It's installed from the ceiling about 13ft away from the screen.
The image is skewed upwards by about 2 inches on the bottom right corner only. All other sides are perfectly straight and aligned with the edges of the screen.
I cannot find any way to adjust the image (other than keystone which is fine)

Any help would be greatly appreciated as I'm at my wits end.

[edit] I tried moving the image to either side to see if it makes a difference, tried removing the screen and projecting on the wall and tried making the image small. All to no avail.

TIA,

Andrew

Hi Andrew: AVS is fun and educational.
You are not square with your screen. this is not a projector problem. Turn your projector towards the side that is smaller and then correct the off screen image back on to the center using the image control on the projector leaving the projector in the turned position. This will enlarge the side of the image to fit you screen. You can verify the location using string from the center of your screen (which I assume is vertical)to the center of the lens on the projector. If the projector is significantly above or below the center, you will have a keystone image at the sides (the vertical sides of the image will be smaller at the top or bottom).
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post #1529 of 3040
4/7/12 at 2:06pm
Does anyone know how "detailed" the service menu is? I used to have a Sony hw30, and you could change the color uniformity at any point on the screen at any gamma level, which was great if uniformity problems ever arose. I currently have a 6500ub with some white uniformity issues, but the service menu seems very limited. I'm basically wondering if anything has been added on the 5010 service menu for more detailed adjustments.
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post #1530 of 3040
4/7/12 at 5:28pm
A problem with my 5010 that has most likely existed from the start, but it has become annoying as I am always looking for it:

What appears to be video noise, especially in colors like greys and some blues appears to run vertically up and down the screen. I see this on my PC when connected via HDMI, my Cable Box when connected via HDMI, and xbox 360 connected via VGA. However, I do not notice it while watching Blu Rays on my PS3 via HDMI. I have changed my PC from RGB to YbCr with no change.


The best picture I could capture of the problem:

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