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post #2011 of 3328
Inky blacks come with a price, there's alway trade offs.

I just picked up the rs55 and it's a reference 2d pj but not without trade offs, mediocre 3d ( I could care less) and a little brightness but the blacks are incredible

Enjoy
post #2012 of 3328
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Originally Posted by dbox1080p View Post

My rooms dark and I put the 5010 on a grey screen and still no inky blacks ? Its not the 1.4 gain screen. The epson 5010 is just kinda crappy, I wish the rs45 had better 3D. That being said I just bought a 166" 235 screen and overshoot onto the dark wall and it gets round the problem. The 3D on the 5010 is the best I have ever seen in my life. There is no ghosting that people post and gave me anxiety about, its simply a 3d wonder machine where stuff floats in your room

Maybe its me, but my 5010 blacks are really good. The bars on my 16:9 screen are black watching a 2.35:1 film, and the black during dark scenes is solid. I like the blacks capability of this projector. I've paired the 5010 with a 106" Black Diamond 1.4 screen. I actually have an opposite problem. I'm not crazy about bright and white scenes because I have a form of hot spotting going on in a small center area of my screen. The bright and white scenes will look grainy to my eyes in a certain center area of my screen. I sit approximately 13 feet from the screen. Due to my infrastructure, I'm only able to ceiling mount the projector approximately 11 feet from the screen. I understand that if I was able to mount the projector at a longer distance, this grainy view may not be an issue, however, due to ducts and pipes, I'm stuck with an 11 foot throw distance.
post #2013 of 3328
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Originally Posted by Rob from NJ View Post

...................... I've paired the 5010 with a 106" Black Diamond 1.4 screen. I actually have an opposite problem. I'm not crazy about bright and white scenes because I have a form of hot spotting going on in a small center area of my screen. The bright and white scenes will look grainy to my eyes in a certain center area of my screen. I sit approximately 13 feet from the screen. Due to my infrastructure, I'm only able to ceiling mount the projector approximately 11 feet from the screen. I understand that if I was able to mount the projector at a longer distance, this grainy view may not be an issue........................................

The graininess will still be there even if you move the projector farther back. If you get a BD .8 screen it will still be there, but not as bad.

I have a 5010 mounted about 17 feet from a BD .8 gain. I previously had a 1.4 and I found the graininess/weird hot spot to be very bothersome.

My black bars look fine - not as black as ink, but very dark gray.
post #2014 of 3328
What can be done to lessen hot spotting?
post #2015 of 3328
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Originally Posted by karlsch View Post

The graininess will still be there even if you move the projector farther back. If you get a BD .8 screen it will still be there, but not as bad.
I have a 5010 mounted about 17 feet from a BD .8 gain. I previously had a 1.4 and I found the graininess/weird hot spot to be very bothersome.
My black bars look fine - not as black as ink, but very dark gray.

Yes, the grainy spot is bothersome to my eyes as well. My eyes gravitate to the spot and its not difficult to miss since its smack in the middle of my screen. Other folks who have watched movies with me don't seem bothered or have not admitted to such. Interestingly when I demoed the Epson 6010 with a BD 1.4, I noticed some hot spotting along the edge of the screen, however, not in the middle, which was no big deal. Due to the center location of the grainy view, it bothers me. I do like the screen/Epson 5010 with my hat lights on. I don't lose much of the pop with overhead lights on, so I guess this is all about compromise. I have my screen for 6 weeks, thus, due to the cost of the BD and WAF, I'm going to have to learn to live with this. Maybe a 2013 project to resell the screen and check out another screen.
post #2016 of 3328
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Originally Posted by vegashomes View Post

What can be done to lessen hot spotting?

There is NONE
post #2017 of 3328
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Originally Posted by DavidK442 View Post

I read back through your posts to look for a description of your room but must have missed it.
I wonder if your observations regarding the 5010's black levels are completely attributed to the increase in reflected ambiant light from your 1.4 screen as compared to your previous grey screen.
If so, perhaps the comments are best made in a "high contrast' vs "high gain" screen thread.
Is your room (walls, floor, ceiling) dark and non-reflective? When you make shadow puppets in front of your projector during a bright scene are those shadows a nice deep black, or are they the same disappointing grey you refer to. If partially blocking the light path still leaves you feeling black challenged then the problem has nothing to do with the projector and posting comments here is a bit misleading for those considering this Epson (like me).
The reason I'm digging for the detail is because I once bought a Panasonic AE4000 based on rave reviews of its inky blacks and ended up extremly disappointed, even in my black batcave. The Epsons (8700UB & 5010) are supposed to be in a different league then the Panasonic so reports of inferiour black levels concern me.

Well Im not misleading anyone. Im not the only one who thinks the blacks on the Epsons could possibly be a little bit better but, ultimately in the end its a personal choice. Everyone has different opinions on projectors and screens and sees everything differently. You need to make that choice of projector on your own and not on thousands of personal opinions.
post #2018 of 3328
I'd say to make sure you don't have a bunk unit, I have seen bunk units before cause poor on/off contrast. Not saying that is the problem, but it's always a possibility.
post #2019 of 3328
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

There is NONE
Moving the projector back will help.
post #2020 of 3328
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

Moving the projector back will help.

Correct
post #2021 of 3328
Is there a listing of the differences between the 5010 and the 6010 models in this thread that I missed?

Thx,
-DK
post #2022 of 3328
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Originally Posted by DigitalKnight View Post

Is there a listing of the differences between the 5010 and the 6010 models in this thread that I missed?
Thx,
-DK

Yep...if this stupid new forum had a good search we could find it.

 

6010

 

Black

2 Pair Epson 3D Glasses

THX Mode Pre-Calibrated

Chief Mount Included (awesome mount and very high end)

Extra One Year Warranty

Cable Cover (cleans up the install on the back of the unit)

Extra Bulb Included

 

I think that wraps it up.  Solid deal, especially if you need the mount!

post #2023 of 3328
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

Yep...if this stupid new forum had a good search we could find it.

6010

Black
2 Pair Epson 3D Glasses
THX Mode Pre-Calibrated
Chief Mount Included (awesome mount and very high end)
Extra One Year Warranty
Cable Cover (cleans up the install on the back of the unit)
Extra Bulb Included

I think that wraps it up.  Solid deal, especially if you need the mount!

Thanks.
I updated the initial post with these details.
post #2024 of 3328
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post


Thanks.
I updated the initial post with these details.

 

Opps, yet forgot the anamorphic support squeeze, etc....honestly I have never played with that to confirm exactly how that works.

post #2025 of 3328
Would a neutral density filter help?
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

Moving the projector back will help.
post #2026 of 3328
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Originally Posted by toofast68 View Post

Yep...if this stupid new forum had a good search we could find it.

6010

Black
2 Pair Epson 3D Glasses
THX Mode Pre-Calibrated
Chief Mount Included (awesome mount and very high end)
Extra One Year Warranty
Cable Cover (cleans up the install on the back of the unit)
Extra Bulb Included

I think that wraps it up.  Solid deal, especially if you need the mount!

Thanks for the info. I think I will upgrade from my Sony VPL-VW60 to one of these 6010's! Now to find out what I can get for my Sony Black Pearl with 1000 hour's on it.
post #2027 of 3328
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Originally Posted by vegashomes View Post

Would a neutral density filter help?


Only if you need a precipitous drop in brightness.

The use of Low lamp mode and a longer throw distance are the most appropriate courses of action to take.



I M O
post #2028 of 3328
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Only if you need a precipitous drop in brightness.
The use of Low lamp mode and a longer throw distance are the most appropriate courses of action to take.
I M O
Thank You
post #2029 of 3328
hello vegashomes,

I have ordered a Hoya ND 2 HMC 77mm filter. Delivery will take place sometime next week.
I will test it and post the results smile.gif

My problem is that the projector is too close to the screen (only 3.5 metres away) and I am not very happy with the black color of the top and bottom bars when watching a 2:35 movie, so I am going to give this filter a try. Price was around 40 euro + shipping from Germany, so not a big deal smile.gif
post #2030 of 3328
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

Moving the projector back will help.

......will help a little bit.
post #2031 of 3328
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Originally Posted by ANDYK48 View Post

hello vegashomes,
I have ordered a Hoya ND 2 HMC 77mm filter. Delivery will take place sometime next week.
I will test it and post the results smile.gif
My problem is that the projector is too close to the screen (only 3.5 metres away) and I am not very happy with the black color of the top and bottom bars when watching a 2:35 movie, so I am going to give this filter a try. Price was around 40 euro + shipping from Germany, so not a big deal smile.gif

Let us know how this works
post #2032 of 3328
I just got the Epson 9000/6010, nice projector but the iris is quite noisy, is this normal for the Epson?. Once I turn the sound up I don't hear it but I was wondering whether it might be faulty. I had the Pana ae7000 previously and it's iris was dead silent.
post #2033 of 3328
I know this is a recurring topic on this thread, and to the best of my abilities I tried searching but did not reach a conclusion:

Has the Lag on the 3010/5010/6010 series Epson projectors been improved since the original firmware? This the ONLY thing keeping me from upgrading my current projector (Sanyo Z2000) to one of these Epsons.
post #2034 of 3328
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Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

I just got the Epson 9000/6010, nice projector but the iris is quite noisy, is this normal for the Epson?. Once I turn the sound up I don't hear it but I was wondering whether it might be faulty. I had the Pana ae7000 previously and it's iris was dead silent.

There have been some people report a loud iris, and a replacement was better. I also think a couple of people reported they got a pj that had a little worse convergence on the new replacement, but if it's very noisy, you may want to take that chance?

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Originally Posted by gnolivos View Post

I know this is a recurring topic on this thread, and to the best of my abilities I tried searching but did not reach a conclusion:
Has the Lag on the 3010/5010/6010 series Epson projectors been improved since the original firmware? This the ONLY thing keeping me from upgrading my current projector (Sanyo Z2000) to one of these Epsons.

I don't think any firmware has been put out to address that issue, nor do I think one will. Future models however might get improvements? http://www.projectorcentral.com/projector_news.cfm?2012-01-31-Gaming-tests-and-upcoming-reviews&entry_id=487 http://www.projectorreviews.com/game-projector-blog/review-epson-5010e-projector.html

Depending on the type of games you play, it might not be to much of an issue, Farmville, or Battlefield 3? A couple of people mentioned that the amount of lag reported seems to be an overstatement? Never game on mine myself so I have no personal input.
Edited by jnabq - 6/21/12 at 9:22pm
post #2035 of 3328
Actually the problem has been resolved. I just ceiling mounted the projector which involved flipping it upside down, before it was upright sitting on a table, now the iris is much quieter, I doubt I will ever hear it when the movie is playing. I'm not sure if having it up side down has made the difference or if something has shifted in the mechanism when I mounted it, either way it's alot better now.

Convergence was out by 2pixel on red and green but I accessed the service menu and activated the pixel alignment feature, only took about minutes and the convergence is out by no more than half a pixel now. Nice feature but I don't undertand why Epson hides it, because it's not difficult to use and it's effective. Anyway all is good now and I'm relieved that I don't have to send it in.
Edited by nirvy111 - 6/22/12 at 3:06am
post #2036 of 3328
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

I just got the Epson 9000/6010, nice projector but the iris is quite noisy, is this normal for the Epson?. Once I turn the sound up I don't hear it but I was wondering whether it might be faulty. I had the Pana ae7000 previously and it's iris was dead silent.
Have you updated to FW version 1.4 or checked your version?
1.4 makes the iris mechanism smoother, which makes it a littler quieter.
Besides that, not much you can do to quiet the iris except turn it off.
post #2037 of 3328
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Have you updated to FW version 1.4 or checked your version?
1.4 makes the iris mechanism smoother, which makes it a littler quieter.
Besides that, not much you can do to quiet the iris except turn it off.

I did check the firmware version, maybe I was in the wrong submenu but it said V114, I have the tw9000w, maybe it's different from the u.s version. The Iris seems to perfrom well though, just that it was noisy, I never see it pumping or anythig. Flipping the projector upside down has made it much quieter. I just watched a movie and I never noticed, before it was pretty obvious. It's not completely silent like the Pana ae7000 but it's quiet enough now that's it's not an issue.
post #2038 of 3328
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

I did check the firmware version, maybe I was in the wrong submenu but it said V114, I have the tw9000w, maybe it's different from the u.s version. The Iris seems to perfrom well though, just that it was noisy, I never see it pumping or anythig. Flipping the projector upside down has made it much quieter. I just watched a movie and I never noticed, before it was pretty obvious. It's not completely silent like the Pana ae7000 but it's quiet enough now that's it's not an issue.
Looks like you're good on the FW.
The US indiates V104 so may be you have even newer FW.
post #2039 of 3328
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Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

I did check the firmware version, maybe I was in the wrong submenu but it said V114, I have the tw9000w, maybe it's different from the u.s version. The Iris seems to perfrom well though, just that it was noisy, I never see it pumping or anythig. Flipping the projector upside down has made it much quieter. I just watched a movie and I never noticed, before it was pretty obvious. It's not completely silent like the Pana ae7000 but it's quiet enough now that's it's not an issue.

sorry if I missed it but why did you replace the panny 7000?
post #2040 of 3328
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Originally Posted by azula View Post

sorry if I missed it but why did you replace the panny 7000?

The main reason was brightness. I felt the Pana wasn't really bright enough for my size screen and I wanted higher ftl's, the normal picture mode on the Pana was bright but the cinema modes which have the best image quality was lacking, so I sold the Pana and got the Epson 6010. The Epson is quite a bit brighter in it's best cinema modes so I'm pleased with the higher ftl's now and it has better contrast aswell.
Edited by nirvy111 - 6/22/12 at 8:46pm
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