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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Those who haven't been following the Darbee processor thread, you may want to get one.
My 5010 already had good convergence/sharpness but the Darbee adds extra clarity, sharpness & details.
Several of 5010/6010 owners have bought them and 0 returns.
I usually upgrade every year or every other year but I may now hang on to the 5010 for several years as I've not seen such clarity, shaprness & contrast like this from any 3 LCD/LCOS projectors I've viewed.
They are working out some HDMI issues with specific devices but if you don't utilize those devices, the Darbee should be problem free with current FW/SW.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/2160#post_22301803
If you have any questions, ask them in the Darbee thread.
That seems silly, but I could be wrong, but the image issues are about the lens. A hardware device in the hdmi stream isn't going to change that. The latest images posted are from the projector menu, not from the HDMI feed. It might be a great device but I have never seen a hardware device with so much fluff description and zero info about what it actually does.
post #2342 of 3333
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

It might be a great device but I have never seen a hardware device with so much fluff description and zero info about what it actually does.
That's pretty much true.... and you can't have MINE!
post #2343 of 3333
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Originally Posted by kvsub View Post

Points taken. My intention is not to ruffle feathers of Epson 5010 owners here. If i understand your response correct - With 16:9 screen, there is no different between these two PJs when playing 2:35:1 image. Even with assumption Panny allows to strect the image to full screen, i am going to lose larger potion of the image on left and right. Correct? Does the same fact applies for old style 4:3 format alo?

4:3 and 16:9 both enjoy the same "Image Height", but I know of nothing but the dreaded "Internal Zoom" that will fill a 16:9 screen with a 4:3 image. (...Crop City...) Many Displays offer "Wide" or "Stretch" options but all that amounts to are distorted images. As drhankz so aptly put it, Zoom will "Crop" around the edges when going from 4:3 to 16:9, (... but not as radically as it will going from 16:9 to 2.35:1....)

The ONLY true way to wholly resolve issues like this falls into the domain of using Anamorphic Lens and PJs with "A-Stretch" capability. Even then, that sort of thing is limited to working the magic with 16:9 to 2.35:1 only. If your watching 4:3, the A-Lens is usually shunted aside and you live with what you get. The Panny strives to at least make the adjustment of the image a "One Button" affair, but by any way one cares to look at it, it's simply a stop-gap measure that works well if you accommodate it with the proper sized (...and formatted...) screen.


As I stated earlier, employing a 2.35:1 Format screen sized so it's height is the same as the largest 16:9 image you can avail yourself of is the simplest route to go down. Width is usually easier to accommodate than Height, and simple "Side Pull" curtains effectively mask unused screen surface when your watching zoomed 16:9 or 4:3 content. You'd have to add 15" to each side of a 48" high screen (115" wide vs 85") but you'd jump from 98" diagonal to 123" diagonal in 2.35:1 mode.

To a great many....that is more than worth dragging out the step stool.
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

That seems silly, but I could be wrong, but the image issues are about the lens. A hardware device in the hdmi stream isn't going to change that. The latest images posted are from the projector menu, not from the HDMI feed. It might be a great device but I have never seen a hardware device with so much fluff description and zero info about what it actually does.
I think you posted the wrong quote.
The quote you posted of mine had nothing to do with the bad image discussion.
My post was just a singular info post to inform those that have a 5010/6010 with a good image look into getting a Darbee to make the PQ even better.
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Sorry, you are correct.
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Those who haven't been following the Darbee processor thread, you may want to get one.
My 5010 already had good convergence/sharpness but the Darbee adds extra clarity, sharpness & details.
Several of 5010/6010 owners have bought them and 0 returns.
I usually upgrade every year or every other year but I may now hang on to the 5010 for several years as I've not seen such clarity, shaprness & contrast like this from any 3 LCD/LCOS projectors I've viewed.
They are working out some HDMI issues with specific devices but if you don't utilize those devices, the Darbee should be problem free with current FW/SW.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1399154/darbee-vision-darblet/2160#post_22301803
If you have any questions, ask them in the Darbee thread.


AVS just posted that the price of the Darbee is being increased to $299 from 269.


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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Darbeevision is out of stock and new shipments to dealers won't be until after September 10. Effective Septmeber 16 Darbeevision has raised the MSRP to $349 with a minimun sales price of probably $299. Orders before 9/16 will be honored at $269 though we might not have stock for fulfillment until around mid September.

Edited by 42Plasmaman - 8/16/12 at 7:57pm
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To wnielsenbb, thanks for the info. I think I will spend some time here. I want 3D, Sports with friends (I actually do not have the gene..) and a decent dark room image for me. The 6010 seems like a very good candidate.....

Steve
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Steve - if you're into watching sports, the Epson is fantastic. I've had a 5010 for a month and NFL games are crystal clear....even on a 106" screen in a room with a lot of ambient light. With the shudders open during the day I use "Living Room" mode and when it's darker I adjust to "Cinema" mode (and use Eco at all times except for 3D viewing when it automatically switches to Normal). Don't cheap out on the screen since the picture was OK on the bare wall but jumped to amazing once the new SI Black Diamond screen arrived. Enjoy.
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Hey Everyone,

I just received firmware 106 but have a Windows 7 pc not xp. I currently have firmware 104 but need to install 106 cause it fixes an issue I have which is the unit not powering on/off with the remote. Any suggestions? I'm really frustrated that this unit doesn't have an internet connection to update firmware via the internet like many devices have these days. I appreciate any help.
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Originally Posted by jslaw81 View Post

Hey Everyone,
I just received firmware 106 but have a Windows 7 pc not xp. I currently have firmware 104 but need to install 106 cause it fixes an issue I have which is the unit not powering on/off with the remote. Any suggestions? I'm really frustrated that this unit doesn't have an internet connection to update firmware via the internet like many devices have these days. I appreciate any help.
A couple of people used Win7 successfully to update their FW.
You'll need to search or read all posts in the FW update thread.
Link is in the first post of this thread.
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

A couple of people used Win7 successfully to update their FW.
You'll need to search or read all posts in the FW update thread.
Link is in the first post of this thread.

Thanks man.. I got it to work.
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Getting error when trying to play HUGO 3D DISC in sony BD-S380 and Samsung BD-E6500 players with EPSON 5010e.
Is there anything to do with the 3D Disc.. Any suggestiong of other 3D movie to try with.

"THIS BLUE RAY 3D DISC REQUIRES A COMPATIBLE 3D HDTV & BLU-RAY 3D PLAYER THAT HAS BEEN UPGRADED WITH THE NECESSARY FIRMWARE TO ALLOW 3D FILM PLAYBACK"
post #2353 of 3333
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Originally Posted by meiya View Post

Getting error when trying to play HUGO 3D DISC in sony BD-S380 and Samsung BD-E6500 players with EPSON 5010e.
Is there anything to do with the 3D Disc.. Any suggestiong of other 3D movie to try with.
"THIS BLUE RAY 3D DISC REQUIRES A COMPATIBLE 3D HDTV & BLU-RAY 3D PLAYER THAT HAS BEEN UPGRADED WITH THE NECESSARY FIRMWARE TO ALLOW 3D FILM PLAYBACK"

I've gotten similar messages on about 4 different Blu-rays on my 5010, Just last night it happened with The Lorax 3D... I'm using an Oppo 93 and a DigiView HM-501 HDMI switchbox in the video chain to the projector. Although, my messages might have said somthing about the disc not being seen as a 3D disc, when it actually is... Usually just stopping and restarting the Blu-ray lets it be recognized properly the second time around. I'm guessing my video chain from the Oppo to the projector is probably having some issue passing the full bandwidth of the 3D signal, so sometimes the projector is not seeing it as a 3D signal. Both my HDMI switch and 15ft HDMI cable from it to the projector were bought 4 years ago, before there were even "High Speed" rated cables on the market, so they are most likely both standard speed rated but provide just enough bandwidth to pass the 3D signal, most of the time... I should probably upgrade my cable and my HDMI switch to newer ones rated for 3D, perhaps those messages will go away then...
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

AVS just posted that the price of the Darbee is being increased to $299 from 269.
Amazon has 15 in stock for $269 with free shipping...I just ordered one.
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Originally Posted by meiya View Post

Getting error when trying to play HUGO 3D DISC in sony BD-S380 and Samsung BD-E6500 players with EPSON 5010e.
Is there anything to do with the 3D Disc.. Any suggestiong of other 3D movie to try with.
"THIS BLUE RAY 3D DISC REQUIRES A COMPATIBLE 3D HDTV & BLU-RAY 3D PLAYER THAT HAS BEEN UPGRADED WITH THE NECESSARY FIRMWARE TO ALLOW 3D FILM PLAYBACK"
I have a 5010 and Panasonic 3D BD player and that title played just fine.

May be some bits are getting dropped(if you're using the wireless HDMI)?
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Originally Posted by jslaw81 View Post

Hey Everyone,
I just received firmware 106 but have a Windows 7 pc not xp. I currently have firmware 104 but need to install 106 cause it fixes an issue I have which is the unit not powering on/off with the remote. Any suggestions? I'm really frustrated that this unit doesn't have an internet connection to update firmware via the internet like many devices have these days. I appreciate any help.

How did you get firmware 106? I've not heard about this release yet. Sure hope it solves my power on problem.
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we are not using wireless HD. We have HDMI 1.4
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Originally Posted by meiya View Post

we are not using wireless HD. We have HDMI 1.4
How long is the cable & what gauge?
Have you tried a different cable?
post #2359 of 3333
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

I have a 5010 and Panasonic 3D BD player and that title played just fine.
May be some bits are getting dropped(if you're using the wireless HDMI)?

Have you heard of folks having such issues with wireless HDMI? I do have the 5010e. Have not yet purchased 3d Glasses, so haven't tried anything in 3D yet.
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Hey Everyone,

I'm posting a pic of my Epson 5010 with the Pattern up. Just want to make sure my image is straight, perfectly shaped and the pattern is the way its supposed to be. I'm a perfectionist. Its probably fine though.
post #2361 of 3333
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

How long is the cable & what gauge?
Have you tried a different cable?

The installation guys did these set up. need to check with them only. I am not a techie guy.
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I don't have my pj yet, but am trying to get some ideas for screens, so I can budget accordingly.
Is there a concensus of whose screen in about 100-110" (diag) works best with the 6010, or does that depend on how much ambient light is in the room?
It appears that some people on the build forums are actually making their own screens-how do those compare to manufactured?
I have read about various gains, how high should or need to go with this pj?
Just so much info to try to absorb.
Thanks from a neophyte.
post #2363 of 3333
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Originally Posted by hmunster2 View Post

Just so much info to try to absorb.
Thanks from a neophyte.

More to absorb here, http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-5010/screens.php
Might be a good starting place, I'm using a Vutec Britewhite 1.3 126" at 14' from the pj with some ambient light, it's plenty bright and nice for 3d. The pj has plenty of brightness so 1.1-1.3 should be fine. There are lots of discussions in the forums about a good screen for these 5010/6010s. GL
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Originally Posted by meiya View Post

The installation guys did these set up. need to check with them only. I am not a techie guy.

Trouble shooting hdmi issues can be a chore, even for a techie guy. I've been having issues as well, that still aren't quite sorted out. You might want to get some help.
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Originally Posted by rexdragon View Post

Just wondering how many 5010 owners out there had their original lamp fail at less than 1,000 hours use? frown.gif

It happened to me. Right around 100ish hours. Epson replaced it for free. Problem hasn't happened again on the new bulb, but it is probably under 30 hours now.
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I haven"t seen too many indicat this, but have seen a few. Maybe I should get a backup bulb.
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Originally Posted by Ewingr View Post

I haven"t seen too many indicat this, but have seen a few. Maybe I should get a backup bulb.

Always nice...especially 6 hrs before the Super Bowl when you hear that dreaded "Pop" while your Wife is watching the latest "Chopped" on the Food Network. eek.gifrolleyes.gifmad.gif
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I am looking into putting a projector in my basement and I think the 5010 fits my needs. I was hoping to put a 150" screen but according to projectorcentral's calculator, I would need 15 feet of throw. Is this correct? I have never installed a projector so please excuse my ignorance, thanks!
post #2369 of 3333
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Originally Posted by Lastblade View Post

I am looking into putting a projector in my basement and I think the 5010 fits my needs. I was hoping to put a 150" screen but according to projectorcentral's calculator, I would need 15 feet of throw. Is this correct? I have never installed a projector so please excuse my ignorance, thanks!

If that is what the numbers say, then YEP! And the numbers do sound fairly accurate.

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Originally Posted by Lastblade View Post

I am looking into putting a projector in my basement and I think the 5010 fits my needs. I was hoping to put a 150" screen but according to projectorcentral's calculator, I would need 15 feet of throw. Is this correct? I have never installed a projector so please excuse my ignorance, thanks!
You distance to screen size is about right.
You may want to consider getting a screen with 1.5 gain or higher to boost your lumens to an adequate level.

http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/
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