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post #2371 of 3085
8/22/12 at 11:12am
I am looking into putting a projector in my basement and I think the 5010 fits my needs. I was hoping to put a 150" screen but according to projectorcentral's calculator, I would need 15 feet of throw. Is this correct? I have never installed a projector so please excuse my ignorance, thanks!
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post #2372 of 3085
8/22/12 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by Lastblade View Post

I am looking into putting a projector in my basement and I think the 5010 fits my needs. I was hoping to put a 150" screen but according to projectorcentral's calculator, I would need 15 feet of throw. Is this correct? I have never installed a projector so please excuse my ignorance, thanks!

If that is what the numbers say, then YEP! And the numbers do sound fairly accurate.

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post #2373 of 3085
8/22/12 at 11:58am
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Originally Posted by Lastblade View Post

I am looking into putting a projector in my basement and I think the 5010 fits my needs. I was hoping to put a 150" screen but according to projectorcentral's calculator, I would need 15 feet of throw. Is this correct? I have never installed a projector so please excuse my ignorance, thanks!
You distance to screen size is about right.
You may want to consider getting a screen with 1.5 gain or higher to boost your lumens to an adequate level.

http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/
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post #2374 of 3085
8/22/12 at 12:17pm
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

You distance to screen size is about right.
You may want to consider getting a screen with 1.5 gain or higher to boost your lumens to an adequate level.
http://www.eliteprojectorcalculator.com/

Thanks!!
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post #2375 of 3085
8/22/12 at 11:04pm
Hi all,

I bought the Epson TW9000 (Australian equivalent of the 5010) a couple of weeks ago and have been very impressed except for one huge issue which is 24p video lag. I was wondering if anyone else has this issue? It came with firmware v104.

Here are the symptoms:
I first noticed the video lag (about 400ms?) when watching 24p blurays through my Toshiba BDX3200. It is quite noticeable as the sound comes out half a second before the people move their mouths. I wasn't sure if it was the Tosh or the Epson so I plugged my laptop in using HDMI and suddenly the lag was gone! Great. However, as soon as I switch the refresh rate on my laptop from 60Hz to 24Hz it is back. 50Hz is fine, 60Hz is fine, only 24Hz suddenly gets this lag. It is immediately evident with a computer as the mouse is slow to respond. With this discovery I went back to the Toshiba BDX3200 and turned off the 1080/24p option. Suddenly the lag was gone. The problem is that the bluray player is now submitting a 60Hz signal to the projector, which is not a great result for judder but this is the only way I can watch anything without it being really annoying.

At the moment I am running everything at 60Hz and have turned frame interpolation on to smooth it out a bit, but this is a makeshift solution at best.

Does anyone else have this problem? What could possibly be causing that sort of slowdown just for a specific refresh rate?

Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
BJ

PS. The projector is running everything at default except for slight adjustments in Colour Temp, Brightness, Contrast and LCD Alignment. I am not using any of the Super Resolutions or anything like that.
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post #2376 of 3085
8/23/12 at 7:06am
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Originally Posted by bjanssen View Post

Hi all,
I bought the Epson TW9000 (Australian equivalent of the 5010) a couple of weeks ago and have been very impressed except for one huge issue which is 24p video lag. I was wondering if anyone else has this issue? It came with firmware v104.
Here are the symptoms:
I first noticed the video lag (about 400ms?) when watching 24p blurays through my Toshiba BDX3200. It is quite noticeable as the sound comes out half a second before the people move their mouths. I wasn't sure if it was the Tosh or the Epson so I plugged my laptop in using HDMI and suddenly the lag was gone! Great. However, as soon as I switch the refresh rate on my laptop from 60Hz to 24Hz it is back. 50Hz is fine, 60Hz is fine, only 24Hz suddenly gets this lag. It is immediately evident with a computer as the mouse is slow to respond. With this discovery I went back to the Toshiba BDX3200 and turned off the 1080/24p option. Suddenly the lag was gone. The problem is that the bluray player is now submitting a 60Hz signal to the projector, which is not a great result for judder but this is the only way I can watch anything without it being really annoying.
At the moment I am running everything at 60Hz and have turned frame interpolation on to smooth it out a bit, but this is a makeshift solution at best.
Does anyone else have this problem? What could possibly be causing that sort of slowdown just for a specific refresh rate?
Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
BJ
PS. The projector is running everything at default except for slight adjustments in Colour Temp, Brightness, Contrast and LCD Alignment. I am not using any of the Super Resolutions or anything like that.
Does this occur on blu-ray discs or DVD?

Is this occuring with the blu-ray player or PC directly connected to the projector HDMI or through a receiver?

Have you tried a different HDMI cable or using a high quality HDMI cable?

If you are running it through a receiver, does the receiver have an adjustment for audio delay to compensate.


*I run 1080p/24 from my Panasonic blu-ray player to receiver to projector with no lip sync issues.
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post #2377 of 3085
8/23/12 at 7:30am
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*I run 1080p/24 from my Panasonic blu-ray player to receiver to projector with no lip sync issues.

CORRECT - NO LIP-SYNC ISSUES
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post #2378 of 3085
8/23/12 at 6:27pm
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Originally Posted by Lastblade View Post

I am looking into putting a projector in my basement and I think the 5010 fits my needs. I was hoping to put a 150" screen but according to projectorcentral's calculator, I would need 15 feet of throw. Is this correct? I have never installed a projector so please excuse my ignorance, thanks!

That sounds about right. I run a 152" diagonal and my 5010 is about 15.5 feet throw distance.
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post #2379 of 3085
8/24/12 at 6:43am
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Originally Posted by Davecraze View Post

That sounds about right. I run a 152" diagonal and my 5010 is about 15.5 feet throw distance.
What is the gain of your screen?
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post #2380 of 3085
8/24/12 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by Davecraze View Post

That sounds about right. I run a 152" diagonal and my 5010 is about 15.5 feet throw distance.

In addition to the gain of your screen . . . how does the 3D look when projecting so big? I was told going bigger than 120" could make the image too dark for 3D.

Thanks.

Ian
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post #2381 of 3085
8/24/12 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

CORRECT - NO LIP-SYNC ISSUES

My Denon has an "auto lip-sync" feature on it which, when enabled, eliminates the issue with audio lag due to the PJ.

Speaking in general, I have noticed that lag on the 5010 is much worse with 24fps material. This leads me to believe that the lag is actually a "# of frames" delay, for example 3 frames or 4 frames, and so the resulting time delay is directly related to the FPS of the source.

I have previously determined that my PJ is in the 80-90ms range on 60fps material, but I have not measured at 24fps. Now I'm curious to try it so maybe I'll see what I come up with...
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post #2382 of 3085
8/24/12 at 1:49pm
Has anyone here succeeded in updating Firmware using Virtual PC/XP Mode?

I can't figure out how to get the drivers file installed and working. I have a post in the Firmware thread here on the topic, if anyone can help. Thanks....
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post #2383 of 3085
8/24/12 at 1:52pm
Just wanted to post I received my darbee yesterday and after a few hours of playing with it I must say the quality of the picture has improved somewhat. I noticed more detail and sharpness. Being I came from a Infocus DLP and a Mits HC6500 I felt my 6010 lack sharpness almost blurry compared to my last 2 projectors. I'm happy to say the darbee has made a difference, I still have my 6010 set at the original factory settings. I was waiting to hit 200 hours before tweeting it. Any way’s no problems here. I think my money was well spent so far. Looking forward to other people suggestions on the best settings for use with the darbee, like super resolutions setting etc.

I guess I should include my setup....Panny 210 Blu ray/Comcast HD/Hd Dvd>Denon 1712>Epson 6010. No problems whatsoever.
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post #2384 of 3085
8/24/12 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by Ewingr View Post

Has anyone here succeeded in updating Firmware using Virtual PC/XP Mode?
I can't figure out how to get the drivers file installed and working. I have a post in the Firmware thread here on the topic, if anyone can help. Thanks....
I responded in the FW thread.
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post #2385 of 3085
8/24/12 at 6:07pm
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I responded in the FW thread.

Thanks for trying
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post #2386 of 3085
8/24/12 at 8:54pm
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Originally Posted by teeger View Post

In addition to the gain of your screen . . . how does the 3D look when projecting so big? I was told going bigger than 120" could make the image too dark for 3D.
Thanks.
Ian

I have a seymour AV acoustically transparent fabric screen (gain 0.9 to 1.0). I run the 5010 in living room mode and on eco. It is plenty bright - my room is a dark cave with many black acoustical panels. I will just change the bulb often so the image doesn't dim over time as I like a brighter picture.

I don't really watch any 3D so cannot opine on that.

By the way, I also just got a Darbee Darblet and it is surprising to me how much the 5010 has increased in apparent sharpness using the Darbee, especially on a 150+ screen. It is still not to the level of a single chip DLP, but it is a lot closer than it was. Highly recommended. I have super resolution set on about halfway, CFI on low and the Darbee on POP 50%.
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post #2387 of 3085
8/24/12 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by jwv651 View Post

Looking forward to other people suggestions on the best settings for use with the darbee, like super resolutions setting etc.
I guess I should include my setup....Panny 210 Blu ray/Comcast HD/Hd Dvd>Denon 1712>Epson 6010. No problems whatsoever.

Panasonic BDT300/Dish 722>>>hdmi switch>>>Darby>>>Epson 6010
Set and forget settings, SR 2, CFI low, Darby Gaming at 48

Gaming mode to me, gives a nice middle of the road improvement between the HD and POP modes.
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post #2388 of 3085
8/25/12 at 7:50pm
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

Panasonic BDT300/Dish 722>>>hdmi switch>>>Darby>>>Epson 6010
Set and forget settings, SR 2, CFI low, Darby Gaming at 48
Gaming mode to me, gives a nice middle of the road improvement between the HD and POP modes.
Interesting I didn't try gaming mode...I don't do games so I didn't try it. I like set it and forget it though...Thanks
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post #2389 of 3085
8/27/12 at 12:15pm
Hi there everyone. Does anyone posting or reading here have a suggestion on where to buy the 6010 from an online dealer or someone willing to ship the unit? I'm in San Diego, CA.
Any assistance would be much appreciated.
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post #2390 of 3085
8/27/12 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by jamese777 View Post

Hi there everyone. Does anyone posting or reading here have a suggestion on where to buy the 6010 from an online dealer or someone willing to ship the unit? I'm in San Diego, CA.
Any assistance would be much appreciated.

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post #2391 of 3085
8/27/12 at 1:34pm
Hello!

I installed the new 6010 and met the following problem.
Sometimes it happens the the picture goes blank while the movie is still going on.

It is not the movie problem (it happens with different formats - avi, blue ray and so on), not the network problem - (i tried 2 different NAS servers and 2 access points) and not the HDMI problem (i tried 3 different ones), So it have to be PJ problems - settings or anything else.

Any assistance would be much appreciated.
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post #2392 of 3085
8/27/12 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by HiJacker View Post

Hello!
I installed the new 6010 and met the following problem.
Sometimes it happens the the picture goes blank while the movie is still going on.
It is not the movie problem (it happens with different formats - avi, blue ray and so on), not the network problem - (i tried 2 different NAS servers and 2 access points) and not the HDMI problem (i tried 3 different ones), So it have to be PJ problems - settings or anything else.
Any assistance would be much appreciated.
What is the equipment chain from source to projector?
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post #2393 of 3085
8/27/12 at 3:10pm
PJ - HDMI - Dune BD Prime 3.0 (http://dune-hd.com/eng/products/full_hd_media_players/20) - ETH cable - ASUS RTN66 (http://usa.asus.com/Networks/Wireless_Routers/RTN66U/) - ETH cable - Qnap TS-569 (http://www.qnap.com/en/index.php?lang=en&sn=822&c=351&sc=513&t=519&n=9787)

so the Dune DB Prime takes the content from NAS via Asus RTN66 and 100Mbit network
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post #2394 of 3085
8/27/12 at 9:55pm
I'm finding the whites on the 5010 to be a bit bright, especially on NFL Football in HD. The white jerseys on the Jets for example last night was a bit just too bright and lacked detail especially.

There wasn't any settings that I could adjust to tame it. Brightness, contrast, etc. Any suggestions? I have the .8 gain black diamond zero edge screen. 100" throw at 13'.

I remember the same thing when I had the epson 8700ub with a da-lite HP.

I'm using the projectorreview settings http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-5010/calibration.php

Would appreciate any help on this. I think this is motivating me to buy equipment and get it properly calibrated, but not sure the money on equipment and then time to learn how to calibrate with it all is worh it. and paying an ISF calibration only to have the bulb dim over time and have to do it again doesn't seem like the best idea either.
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post #2395 of 3085
8/28/12 at 1:07am
try turning superwhite ON to me the whites go tamer with that on
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post #2396 of 3085
8/28/12 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

I'm finding the whites on the 5010 to be a bit bright, especially on NFL Football in HD. The white jerseys on the Jets for example last night was a bit just too bright and lacked detail especially.
There wasn't any settings that I could adjust to tame it. Brightness, contrast, etc. Any suggestions? I have the .8 gain black diamond zero edge screen. 100" throw at 13'.
I remember the same thing when I had the epson 8700ub with a da-lite HP.
I'm using the projectorreview settings http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-5010/calibration.php
Would appreciate any help on this. I think this is motivating me to buy equipment and get it properly calibrated, but not sure the money on equipment and then time to learn how to calibrate with it all is worh it. and paying an ISF calibration only to have the bulb dim over time and have to do it again doesn't seem like the best idea either.
What mode are you running?
Dynamic?
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post #2397 of 3085
8/28/12 at 10:29am
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

What mode are you running?
Dynamic?

I normally just use natural or cinema. You aren't seeing super bright white?
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post #2398 of 3085
8/28/12 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

I normally just use natural or cinema. You aren't seeing super bright white?
No.
I use Natural as well on a ~1.3 gain white screen.
Super white is off.
Brightness & Contrast are maybe 1-2 notches from 0.

Are you running ECO mode?
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post #2399 of 3085
8/28/12 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

I'm finding the whites on the 5010 to be a bit bright, especially on NFL Football in HD. The white jerseys on the Jets for example last night was a bit just too bright and lacked detail especially.
There wasn't any settings that I could adjust to tame it. Brightness, contrast, etc. Any suggestions? I have the .8 gain black diamond zero edge screen. 100" throw at 13'.
I remember the same thing when I had the epson 8700ub with a da-lite HP.
I'm using the projectorreview settings http://www.projectorreviews.com/epson/home-cinema-5010/calibration.php
Would appreciate any help on this. I think this is motivating me to buy equipment and get it properly calibrated, but not sure the money on equipment and then time to learn how to calibrate with it all is worh it. and paying an ISF calibration only to have the bulb dim over time and have to do it again doesn't seem like the best idea either.

That's the way all BD screens roll. The reflective elements within are what makes the whites look brighter, therein giving the appearance that Contrast is boosted. That in turn is also assisted by the very dark substrate helping to absorb light and keep Blacks as dark as possible.

The crushing of subtle detail is an unfortunate offshoot. Sadly...there's really no cure that isn't something that creates another issue. If you use a ND filter to put the reins on the reflectivity, then the dark substrate will catch up and overpower all the mid-level colors and you'll have a dim screen experience. Try adjusting your gamma settings. That's the least obtrusive thing you can do.
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post #2400 of 3085
8/28/12 at 2:21pm
Hi All,
I'm considering making one of my rooms into a home theatre and using the 6010 in it.

A couple questions:

1. The room is fairly small @ 14x14x9 so my throw distance would be about 13.5. What would be the maximum screen size diag that I could get with a throw distance that close? I tried using the calculator but that says about 87' which seems pretty small so not sure if I'm using it right.

2. Any word from Epson when they are release their new line of home projectors?

Thanks,
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