Official Epson PowerLite Home Cinema 5010 / 6010 thread - Page 9

Originally Posted by ace27

Right now I have a Mits HD1000 and am waiting for the bulb to go. I was thinking of getting a plasma due to the darkness in the PQ from the Mits. I 'm sure over the past few years the Pq of the new units is much better but would they rival that of a good plasma? Love the big screen in my room but want a plasma like picture. The reviews seem to be good for the 5010 and price isn't much more than a good plasma!

Originally Posted by dna

Does anyone know how to adjust the 5010's 3D Depth? When I go to Menu > Signal > 3D Setup, the 3D Depth option is grey'ed out and I can't select it. I can select the other 3D options.

Originally Posted by dna

Does anyone know how to adjust the 5010's 3D Depth? When I go to Menu > Signal > 3D Setup, the 3D Depth option is grey'ed out and I can't select it. I can select the other 3D options.

Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman

My 8350 was only off a 1/2 pixel on the red as well but the green was off a 1/2 pixel as well.
Since Epson indicates the pixel alignment is motorized, I assume it's not done via software but it's actually moving the panel.
I guess we'll find out when someone does more research on this feature.

Originally Posted by ubob800

I spent a few hours playing with pixel alignment last night, and I'm increasingly sure that all adjustments are performed via software only. I was hoping that it was motorized because I've seen hints of this previously, but based on my observations I seriously doubt this is the case.

For what it's worth, I was able to determine that moving 8 horizontal increments is the equivalent of one pixel, at least while adjusting in the "four corners" mode. Haven't verified if this is also true for vertical adjustments, but I imagine it is.

I found that if you want to avoid introducing image softness, you must stick to adjusting in multiples of 8 and apply the same adjustment to all four corners. Otherwise the software starts interpolating the image and you end up with regions that alternate between sharp and soft. This effect is most pronounced when displaying vertical / horizontal lines or text.

On a final note, as others have mentioned the on-screen alignment guide refers to the corner locations incorrectly when adjusting in front-facing ceiling mode. Hopefully Epson will address this in a future firmware release, though it's not really a big issue once you recognize and account for it.

Originally Posted by ubob800

I just made this exact upgrade, coming directly from the Mits HD1000U to the 5010, so I'll try to summarize my experience thus far. My initial impression was actually disappointment because my Mits was definitely sharper and had perfect convergence, thanks to DLP, of course. I was able to fine tine the focus on the Epson, and spent about an hour figuring out how to get the LCD alignment to work without softening the image (another topic entirely). Now it's still not as sharp as my Mits, but it's close enough that I think I can live with it.

The good news is that the 5010 is better in all other regards. Contrast, brightness, skin tones are all decidedly better. Another thing the Mits lacked was 24fps input, and the difference is significant for film. The image looks far crisper and generally more stable when watching BD movies.

I'm still evaluating my purchase, but so far I would say that it was worth the upgrade. I was in the same position as you in that I let my last bulb die (bulb #3) and then took the plunge instead of replacing it. Another motivator for me was that the genuine Mits bulbs are getting progressively more expensive on the HD1000.

Originally Posted by ubob800

I spent a few hours playing with pixel alignment last night, and I'm increasingly sure that all adjustments are performed via software only. I was hoping that it was motorized because I've seen hints of this previously, but based on my observations I seriously doubt this is the case.

For what it's worth, I was able to determine that moving 8 horizontal increments is the equivalent of one pixel, at least while adjusting in the "four corners" mode. Haven't verified if this is also true for vertical adjustments, but I imagine it is.

I found that if you want to avoid introducing image softness, you must stick to adjusting in multiples of 8 and apply the same adjustment to all four corners. Otherwise the software starts interpolating the image and you end up with regions that alternate between sharp and soft. This effect is most pronounced when displaying vertical / horizontal lines or text.

On a final note, as others have mentioned the on-screen alignment guide refers to the corner locations incorrectly when adjusting in front-facing ceiling mode. Hopefully Epson will address this in a future firmware release, though it's not really a big issue once you recognize and account for it.

Originally Posted by Siegmund011

Hello,

I'm a French guy and have the Epson TW9000W, which is equivalent to the 5010e I guess. Where is the pixel alignment menu ? Is it in a hidden menu ? It isn't available on the european version

Thank you...

Originally Posted by ace27

Hey ubob800 good to find sombody who did this upgrade. Can I ask you what screen you use. I'm using a DIY, on a 106" Wilsonart Designer White. The Picture on the Mits is ok, but it just seems to be a bit dark. Did you notice a change with the Epson on the image brightness over the Mits. Also was there much of a change in the 720p to the 1080p? Thanks

Originally Posted by ubob800

Funnily enough I'm running mine on a 106" screen also, it's a DaLite 1.0 gain flat-white vinyl. I also felt that the Mits was slightly dark (I ran in low bulb w/ Brilliant Color off mostly), and a little ambient light always washed the picture out.

There is no doubt that the Epson is brighter...currently I'm running it in eco-mode with dynamic iris off. In that mode I find that the black-level floor is approximately the same as the Mitsu, BUT the brightness is much brighter, I'd guestimate in the 60-70% range. In full-power mode the brightness kicks up another notch or so but I think it's actually too bright on a screen of my size.

The difference between 720p and 1080p is definitely source-relative. HDTV seems marginally improved, but there is a downside in that I notice more of the compression artifacts / image noise than I did on the Mits (my provider is ATT U-verse). In other words, it seems like the 720p was masking some of the image noise by virtue of its reduced pixel count

On BD the difference is much more dramatic...there I definitely see the benefit of the 1080p. As an example, I can actually see the grain of the film on some movies, which I never once witnessed using the Mits. I bet this is partly due to the 24fps input too, but either way the net result is really amazing.

So far I've done all my viewing at night but tomorrow I plan on an NFL marathon so I'll see how it performs under ambient light. Also, I plan on doing some gaming / web browsing this weekend so I think that will be a good test of the sharpness too.

Originally Posted by ace27

You will have to give a short review of the gaming lag you find and how it does with a bit of light on!! One last thing, like I said in my first post, with a good BD source would there be any sort of comparison to a plasma?

Originally Posted by dna

Drhankz,

I thought that might be the case so I enabled 2D-to-3D Conversion but I still couldn't select 3D Depth. Have you been able to do that?

Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman

Under the Extended menu, there should be LCD Alignment.

Originally Posted by Siegmund011

Unfortunately, there is no LCD Alignment under this menu in the european version

Originally Posted by curiousmurf

Hi Siegmund011,

Are you sure european versions of the 5010/6010 (TW8000/9000) don't have LCL Alignment ?

Do you know any other differences between the different versions ?

Here in Australia the TW8000/9000 comes with 2 pairs of 3D glasses but I thought the machines themselves are identical.

Originally Posted by Siegmund011

Hello,

In fact, LCD alignement is in a hidden menu... Unfortunately, I don't know how to show this menu at this time. On a french forum (HCFR), some retailers have the manipulation to do to access this menu, but Epson told them not to tell how to do

In the french version, we also have 2 pairs of 3D glasses with it. I also think that the machines are identical.

Originally Posted by studlygoorite

drhankz is correct, the 3D Depth is only adjustable while using 2D to 3D conversion.

Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman

It must be in the Service menu.

If anyone obtains the key sequence to access the Service menu, please PM me.
Don't post it in the forum or there may be some manufacturer outrage.

Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman

It must be in the Service menu.

If anyone obtains the key sequence to access the Service menu, please PM me.
Don't post it in the forum or there may be some manufacturer outrage.

Originally Posted by karlsch

if anyone knows the key sequence to access the service menu pm it to me and i will post it in this thread. There is no reason to keep it a secret - national security will not be compromised.

Originally Posted by wickedg8gt

Does it work? Can you see a difference?

Originally Posted by Topend

I have decided on getting this projector. Will match it to a 135" 1.2 gain mat white screen and a 17' viewing distance.

Dave.