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post #2581 of 3333
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

3D requires more bandwidth and your HDMI cables must be in good working condition.
Have you had this issue with a blu-ray 3D movie?
Haven't tried 3D blu-ray yet. Don't have any with me either.
Dropouts are happening only if 3D mode is on. In 2D mode the same video plays fine without any problems. This leads me to think that its not a HDMI cable problem
Edited by xplorar - 10/19/12 at 1:45pm
post #2582 of 3333
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Originally Posted by Matthieu View Post

Also it is not the Wireless that you use isn't it?
No its not wireless.
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

It's not normal, but is usually an indication of a hdmi issue. Normal content can be fine, but 3d can cause issues with a cable that isn't up to the task. How long is the run, and what gauge/rating is the cable? Also check a normal 3d bluray off of a normal type player if you can, just to rule out the mkv and source. Oh, and welcome to the wonderful world of hdmi and 3d.... Had issues with mine too.
Cable is this - 35ft 24AWG CL2 Standard Speed HDMI Cable from Monoprice.
I wish I had a 3D blu-ray to verify but I don't.
Same cable transmits same Half-SBS mkv in 2D mode without problem. So how could cable be the problem?
post #2583 of 3333
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024005&p_id=2742&seq=1&format=3#specification

If that's your cable, no 3d support is indicated. Doesn't mean it won't work, but doesn't guarantee it will either. Given it's over 15' of length, my bet is on the cable.
post #2584 of 3333
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Originally Posted by Matthieu View Post

After installing 104 the pans are smoother and specially 3D.
That will even improve after 106.
Actually 105 but that had a bug which was solved in 106.
106 we received by a costumor here on the forum.
104 is the origenal Update that Epson gave free to download and install.

I checked my firmware last night - Its already 106! So this means that 106 is now standard factory firmware for 5010/TW8000.
One less task for me :-)
post #2585 of 3333
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Originally Posted by ubob800 View Post

I am not sure I follow your logic. If you feed the PJ a 24fps signal, I believe it will refresh the panels at either 96 or 120Hz (the display frequency), both of which are even multiples of 24.
There is really no reason to introduce pulldown into the equation by forcing a 60p hand-off between the devices.
You should stick with 24fps, but if you run some comparisons then you'll see why. (Particularly in panning scenes, where the picture will become jerky or smeared w/o 24fps)
I believe that panel display frequency for all devices is fixed and is not dependent on input frequency. I tried to find out about 5010 display frequency on net. Though I did not find any definitive statements, general verdict is that - 5010's display frequency is true 120Hz and its performs 5:5 pulldown while displaying 24Hz material. If I understand correctly - This means that each 24Hz frame is flashed 5 times and 3:2 pulldown is avoided. This is enough to convince me to jump on 24Hz bandwagon. I have now set my display device output towards projector to 1080p@23.976Hz.
There is one strange thing that I noticed my display device - It can output both 1080p@23.976Hz and 1080p@24Hz. What could be the reason for that? I wonder whether 1080p@24Hz would be a more natural fit for Epson 5010 panel since 120 is exactly divisible by 24?
post #2586 of 3333
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Originally Posted by jnabq View Post

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024005&p_id=2742&seq=1&format=3#specification
If that's your cable, no 3d support is indicated. Doesn't mean it won't work, but doesn't guarantee it will either. Given it's over 15' of length, my bet is on the cable.
Its a bummer if its cable problem! I have used it for less than an year and spent a lot of time and energy in laying it.
'High Speed' HDMI cables (which are said to have '3D support') available at Monoprice are ALL less than 35ft. All cables of 35ft are "Standard Speed" cables like mine. Does this mean that we simply can't have guaranteed 3d for cable length of 35ft?
post #2587 of 3333
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Originally Posted by Matthieu View Post

Also it is not the Wireless that you use isn't it?

JFYI...I have a 5010e, and have play wireless all the time. I've only played 4 3D's so far, but all have played fine.
post #2588 of 3333
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Originally Posted by xplorar View Post

I believe that panel display frequency for all devices is fixed and is not dependent on input frequency. I tried to find out about 5010 display frequency on net. Though I did not find any definitive statements, general verdict is that - 5010's display frequency is true 120Hz and its performs 5:5 pulldown while displaying 24Hz material. If I understand correctly - This means that each 24Hz frame is flashed 5 times and 3:2 pulldown is avoided. This is enough to convince me to jump on 24Hz bandwagon. I have now set my display device output towards projector to 1080p@23.976Hz.
There is one strange thing that I noticed my display device - It can output both 1080p@23.976Hz and 1080p@24Hz. What could be the reason for that? I wonder whether 1080p@24Hz would be a more natural fit for Epson 5010 panel since 120 is exactly divisible by 24?

I'd be inclined to stick with 24Hz. The 23.976Hz frequency exists only for historical reasons relating to the emergence of color TV standards back in the 50's. The number comes from taking the native refresh rate of NTSC Color TVs (59.94Hz) and then multiplying by 24 / 60. You end up with a refresh that is slightly less than 24Hz, just as the actual refresh rate of 59.94Hz is slightly less than the commonly quoted 60Hz.

You could possibly justify using 23.976 when watching DVDs (since that still is encoded for NTSC output). However, I would bet that if you pop a DVD in your player then the Epson will report that the rate is 59.94 anyway so the point is moot.
post #2589 of 3333
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Originally Posted by ubob800 View Post

I'd be inclined to stick with 24Hz. The 23.976Hz frequency exists only for historical reasons relating to the emergence of color TV standards back in the 50's. The number comes from taking the native refresh rate of NTSC Color TVs (59.94Hz) and then multiplying by 24 / 60. You end up with a refresh that is slightly less than 24Hz, just as the actual refresh rate of 59.94Hz is slightly less than the commonly quoted 60Hz.
You could possibly justify using 23.976 when watching DVDs (since that still is encoded for NTSC output). However, I would bet that if you pop a DVD in your player then the Epson will report that the rate is 59.94 anyway so the point is moot.
Don't blu-rays and MKVs have frame rate of 23.976? So I thought that it will be more natural to use feed 23.976 frame rate to 5010.
However, I was just reading 'Supported Resolutions' section of 5010 manual. It lists them as 50Hz, 60Hz and 24Hz. 23.976Hz is not listed. So I will change my media player output to 1080p@24Hz. Maybe that will also fix the 3d video dropouts problem I am seeing.
post #2590 of 3333
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Originally Posted by xplorar View Post

Does this mean that we simply can't have guaranteed 3d for cable length of 35ft?

Their "redmere" line actually indicate support up to 60'. For a normal passive cable, their thickest 22awg cable indicates support up to only 25'.
post #2591 of 3333
Hi everyone,

I have an older JVC DLA-RS1 that has stopped working, and therefore need to replace it. It's in a minimal light theater room, with a 120" screen and the projector is mounted 15' away from the screen.

I was going to look at the JVC X70 (same as the JVC RS55), but it's pretty pricey. Then I read about the Epson 6010 and the reviews seem to say the picture is amazing, and a lot brighter than the JVC's. But I started reading about complaints about the Epson's 32dB fan noise on full power, and this could be a major issue for me, since I sit directly under the projector, about 3' above my head.

I'm no expert, so here's my questions I'm hoping someone can help me with:

1) How does the Epson compare to the JVC X70/RS55, and for that matter to my old RS1? I don't want to step down in viewing quality, but I've also heard that the JVC X70/RS55 is considerably less bright in real use (i.e. less bright than its specs) then the older JVCs like my RS1, which could also be an issue.

2) Given that my projector is 15' from the screen, which is also somewhat large at 120", will the Epson 6010 need to be on full power to achieve a good level of brightness and quality (and therefore run at 32dB which is probably too loud right above my head)? Or if I ran it on quiet (25dB), would the reduced brightness and quality be enough in my situation?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks!
post #2592 of 3333
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Originally Posted by xplorar View Post

Hi,
I recently got my 5010 and trying out its all possible settings these days.
I tried watching Half-SBS 3D mkv today. While 3D was being displayed correctly, I saw several picture drop-outs. By "picture dropout" I mean - Screen became blank (black) for 1-2 seconds while audio kept playing. At one point these dropouts became so frequent that I eventually had to give up and shut the movie.
My question - Is this normal for 3D playback on 5010 or does this indicate a malfunction in my unit?

Today, while doing my hit-and-trials, I set the signal input being fed to projector as 1080p@60Hz (It was 1080p@24fps before). On this setting, there was no video dropout at all! I am happy to have found a workaround though I would have preferred 24fps input for 3D signal too (I am using 24fps input for 2D display in 5010).
My conclusion is that - 5010 is not able to efficiently handle 3D SBS when input resolution is 1080p@24fps. It can however deal with it at 1080p@60Hz.
Edited by xplorar - 10/20/12 at 11:49am
post #2593 of 3333
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Originally Posted by mdghr View Post

Hi everyone,
I have an older JVC DLA-RS1 that has stopped working, and therefore need to replace it. It's in a minimal light theater room, with a 120" screen and the projector is mounted 15' away from the screen.
I was going to look at the JVC X70 (same as the JVC RS55), but it's pretty pricey. Then I read about the Epson 6010 and the reviews seem to say the picture is amazing, and a lot brighter than the JVC's. But I started reading about complaints about the Epson's 32dB fan noise on full power, and this could be a major issue for me, since I sit directly under the projector, about 3' above my head.
I'm no expert, so here's my questions I'm hoping someone can help me with:
1) How does the Epson compare to the JVC X70/RS55, and for that matter to my old RS1? I don't want to step down in viewing quality, but I've also heard that the JVC X70/RS55 is considerably less bright in real use (i.e. less bright than its specs) then the older JVCs like my RS1, which could also be an issue.
2) Given that my projector is 15' from the screen, which is also somewhat large at 120", will the Epson 6010 need to be on full power to achieve a good level of brightness and quality (and therefore run at 32dB which is probably too loud right above my head)? Or if I ran it on quiet (25dB), would the reduced brightness and quality be enough in my situation?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks!

I'm sure you can find some comparisons online between the epsons and jvcs, mostly being jvc wins for blacks, dedicated movie watching, and the epson being brighter, better over all for 3d. Here's one. http://www.projectorreviews.com/jvc/dla-x70r/image.php The jvc e-shift tech is great, and as noted in the darbee video processor thread, is nice to put 'em together for a very nice improvement to detail/sharpness. I like the darbee on my setup, but the jvc e-shift tech and darbee together looks awesome.

My 6010 is throwing a 126' image from about 14' onto a 1.3 gain, vutec brite white screen. I only use eco mode, which is bright enough to have some ambient light on, for the super bowl parties. It is a very bright pj and handles ambient light well. It's listed at 22db in eco mode, and from about 5' above my head, only slightly noticeable in muted scenes, its whisper quiet. My fan on the Dish 722 is much louder. I have to run the epson in high altitude mode and was pleased that it's still quiet in that configuration.

You won't need to run it in full power mode at that size/distance, and still you'll get about 17fl before any lamp dimming (on a 1.3 gain screen). Even for 3d, I use eco mode, and the brightness is great, better then any theater I've been in. Don't worry about the noise issue with that setup your contemplating. The jvc is a great pj, but if your at all interested in 3d, I'd choose the Epson because of the extra brightness.
post #2594 of 3333
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Originally Posted by RAPTORHT View Post

Pulled plug, reset, reseat, all the things I tried didn't work for me. I ended up calling EPSON customer service. They are sending me a replacement. Good customer service, but iffy product. Not sure if I should stick with this or flee!

What's the word? Did they ship the unit? Did they give any indication as to what's happening?

Did yours just sit and run the fan, blue blinking light, and no picture? Where you able to power it off when it was in this mode? (i've had to use the hard switch, remote and button on unit won't work).

Mine did this for the first time tonight and I'm pretty ticked off to find out that this is a problem. Extremely frustrated. mad.gif
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SKYW4KR View Post

What's the word? Did they ship the unit? Did they give any indication as to what's happening?
Did yours just sit and run the fan, blue blinking light, and no picture? Where you able to power it off when it was in this mode? (i've had to use the hard switch, remote and button on unit won't work).
Mine did this for the first time tonight and I'm pretty ticked off to find out that this is a problem. Extremely frustrated. mad.gif
1. How long did you wait before forcing a power shut down?
2. Did the lens cover close after about 3-5 minutes after turning on, fan goes into high mode and lamp LED flashing red?

*It's never good to shutdown a projector in the middle of a shutdown process if all possible.
The projector will shutdown itself. Wait up to 10 minutes at a minimum.
post #2596 of 3333
Hello,

I have had my 9000 (6010) for almost a year now and from the very beginning I was horrified by the fact that every time 3D was activated all my other IR enabled devices were not responding to commands anymore, either from a universal remote or from their respective remote. And in order to successfully send a command I had to be as near as 1 meter from the device.
I didn't bother solving the problem because 3D was just not my thing....until now.
My children pressing, I had to buy a 3D enabled player.
So the problem stayed the same, it has just become urgent.
What could be a solution for this problem?

BTW, I updated my Epson's FW to 1.06 just because i read that it addressed this problem somewhere. Well, it didn't.
Maybe someone got some info about the switches available when you enter the technical menu (the one used to open the LCD alignment parameters). Maybe one of the switches can reduce the power of the IR emitter?

Thanks
post #2597 of 3333
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Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

Hello,
I have had my 9000 (6010) for almost a year now and from the very beginning I was horrified by the fact that every time 3D was activated all my other IR enabled devices were not responding to commands anymore, either from a universal remote or from their respective remote. And in order to successfully send a command I had to be as near as 1 meter from the device.
I didn't bother solving the problem because 3D was just not my thing....until now.
My children pressing, I had to buy a 3D enabled player.
So the problem stayed the same, it has just become urgent.
What could be a solution for this problem?
BTW, I updated my Epson's FW to 1.06 just because i read that it addressed this problem somewhere. Well, it didn't.
Maybe someone got some info about the switches available when you enter the technical menu (the one used to open the LCD alignment parameters). Maybe one of the switches can reduce the power of the IR emitter?
Thanks

You read WRONG.

It is a Simple Problem - ALL 3D PJs send IR SIGNALS to run the active glasses.
The IR signal overwhelms all your other IR equipment. It has nothing to do with
Brand or FW.

You have two choices
1) Buy I NEW PJ that does not use IR.

2) Invest in a real Controller like Crestron [which is what I use].
I control all my other gear and PJ using RS-232.

PROBLEM GONE
post #2598 of 3333
Has anybody going from the 8700UB to the 5010/6010 noticed a decreased screen door effect/better pixel fill factor? I'm asking because apparently the aperture ratio went from 52% on the 8700 to 65% on the 5010, and I wanted to know if it is an appreciable improvement.
post #2599 of 3333
If i mount my 5010 at 19' projected distance, for a 106" screen will i lose to much picture quality.

Thanks
post #2600 of 3333
One question -
My '3D Brightness' setting is already set at 'High' but I want to make it even brighter. Normally, my 'Power Consumption' is set to 'Eco' mode. Will changing it to 'Normal' have any affect on brightness while playing 3D? Or is 'Power Consumption' setting not applicable for 3D? I suspect the latter because 'Power Consumption' setting becomes disabled while playing 3D. What do you think?
post #2601 of 3333
Why don't you just try it and see if it works?
post #2602 of 3333
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Originally Posted by lexlynx View Post

Why don't you just try it and see if it works?
Already tried it. As I said - It seems that 'Power Consumption' setting is ignored in 3D mode and I am having a hard timing coming to any conclusion based on my observation. So looking for opinions of others who might have tried the same.
post #2603 of 3333
xplorar,
you can change the Color Mode. Using 3D Dynamic instead of 3D Cinema will give you a boost in brightness at the expense of a bit of color inaccuracy.
But I guess you've already done this too.
post #2604 of 3333
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Originally Posted by pankov View Post

xplorar,
you can change the Color Mode. Using 3D Dynamic instead of 3D Cinema will give you a boost in brightness at the expense of a bit of color inaccuracy.
But I guess you've already done this too.
Already done that. I am willing to lose color accuracy for extra brightness. Saw Prometheus 3D that way, it looked too dull in '3D Cinema' mode.
BTW, brightness seemed fine today when I saw IMAX Hubble 3D. I guess Prometheus was too dark.
post #2605 of 3333
I have had my replacement 5010 for a few weeks now, and didnt want to make any comments about it until the bulb had enough hours on it.

Well...having new issues now with image quality. Text and images appear to all have a small drop shadow to the left, that is visible from over 15 feet. Very annoying, I tried the LCD Alignment in hopes that it might improve, but no such luck.

Also, the left side of the screen is focused, but the right side is blurry. I measured for the center of the screen, lined it up with the middle of the lens on the projector, still have focus problems.
post #2606 of 3333
You need a new replacement I believe.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Lebronze View Post

I have had my replacement 5010 for a few weeks now, and didnt want to make any comments about it until the bulb had enough hours on it.
Well...having new issues now with image quality. Text and images appear to all have a small drop shadow to the left, that is visible from over 15 feet. Very annoying, I tried the LCD Alignment in hopes that it might improve, but no such luck.
Also, the left side of the screen is focused, but the right side is blurry. I measured for the center of the screen, lined it up with the middle of the lens on the projector, still have focus problems.
How much lens shift are you using?
Have you verified that the Front of the projector is square/even with the screen and the projector is level?
Is the projector ceiling mounted?
post #2608 of 3333
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Originally Posted by Lebronze View Post

I have had my replacement 5010 for a few weeks now, and didnt want to make any comments about it until the bulb had enough hours on it.
Well...having new issues now with image quality. Text and images appear to all have a small drop shadow to the left, that is visible from over 15 feet. Very annoying, I tried the LCD Alignment in hopes that it might improve, but no such luck.
Also, the left side of the screen is focused, but the right side is blurry. I measured for the center of the screen, lined it up with the middle of the lens on the projector, still have focus problems.

Like 42Plasmaman suggests make sure you aren't too extreme with lens shift and that the projector is centered to your screen . . . if so, you likely have a unit which you should return.

I had a defective unit that was replaced by Epson, and it took a few replacements before getting a good unit - including the exact issue you seem to have. Luckily Epson is good with customer support. They seemed pretty eager to please and somewhat apologetic for shipping a few projectors in a row that had issues. One even had several clusters of burnt pixels (this was a refurb that likely wasn't checked over before sending it out).

The price point of these units is extreme competitive . . . so I suspect that these problems are the result of little quality control at the factory. Epson did get me a unit which looks and works great.

Check your set up, and if you aren't satisfied that the image is as good as it should be, I would contact Epson about another replacement.

Good luck.

Ian
post #2609 of 3333
The projector is table mounted exactly in the middle of the screen, right behind the seating position. I have adjusted the lens shift to test, made no difference.

I will be calling Epson support again tomorrow, as long as I have power (hurricane sandy about to hit.)
post #2610 of 3333
Anyone using the darbee image enhancer to improve sharpness with the 5010? Thoughts?
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