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post #61 of 3318
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Originally Posted by lespurgeon View Post

I'd start with a call to AVS.

AVS does not sell the 6010.
post #62 of 3318
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

I need some advice. I'm having a really hard time finding an "authorized Epson dealer" here in Utah that is worth crap (most of them won't even return my calls or emails). I'm looking at possibly purchasing a Pro Cinema 6010, but, no, I'm not paying $4300 for one. I can't find a dealer that will sell it for less than that here in Utah. So, what are my options? Home Cinema projectors are so easy to buy from online vendors, but not so with the Pro Cinema line.

I did see a link to a vendor on the East Coast, but there has to be an easier way to purchase this projector.

THIS PLACE SELLS the 6010
post #63 of 3318
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

THIS PLACE SELLS the 6010


Thanks. I'll look into that store and find out some more details. I was hoping to find something closer than the East Coast so the projector wouldn't have to be bounced around in shipping 2000 miles. We have TheaterXtreme stores here in Utah, but they are selling the 6010 for around $4300. I'm not sure why some of their stores are selling it for $3500 while others are selling it for over 4K. Odd. Thanks for the tip though.
post #64 of 3318
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

Thanks. I'll look into that store and find out some more details. I was hoping to find something closer than the East Coast so the projector wouldn't have to be bounced around in shipping 2000 miles. We have TheaterXtreme stores here in Utah, but they are selling the 6010 for around $4300. I'm not sure why some of their stores are selling it for $3500 while others are selling it for over 4K. Odd. Thanks for the tip though.

They know you guys in UTAH have the BIG BUCKS to SPEND
post #65 of 3318
MSRP is $3499. It is unlikely you will find it for less but may be able to work a good package deal if one needs other gear to go with it.
post #66 of 3318
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Originally Posted by BobL View Post

MSRP is $3499. It is unlikely you will find it for less but may be able to work a good package deal if one needs other gear to go with it.

If the MSRP is $3499, then there's a LOT of places that need to update their information. Most are listing $3999 as the MSRP. The only place I found it selling for $3499 is the one store in Virginia.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/Epso...inema_6010.htm

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...ro-cinema-6010

http://www.aboutprojectors.com/Epson...projector.html

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...ons-id2816.php

http://www.theaterdesigncenter.com/H...ers/Epson_6010
post #67 of 3318
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

if the msrp is $3499, then there's a lot of places that need to update their information. Most are listing $3999 as the msrp. The only place i found it selling for $3499 is the one store in virginia.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/epso...inema_6010.htm

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/p...ro-cinema-6010

http://www.aboutprojectors.com/epson...projector.html

http://www.projectorreviews.com/epso...ons-id2816.php

http://www.theaterdesigncenter.com/h...ers/epson_6010

iirc,
msrp $3999
map $3699
post #68 of 3318
What does this statement actually mean "Two Anamorphic Lens Modes (Stretch and Squeeze) - Enables 2.35:1 anamorphic viewing without an external processor"? is it like the Panasonics zoom method for scope?
post #69 of 3318
Our Epson rep sent over pricing monday and $3499 is the 6010 MSRP. If they changed it since Monday we haven't received it yet. There was a lot of rumor pricing since it was announced but this was the first thing official I have seen on the pricing from Epson.
post #70 of 3318
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Originally Posted by eazyriderr View Post

What does this statement actually mean "Two Anamorphic Lens Modes (Stretch and Squeeze) - Enables 2.35:1 anamorphic viewing without an external processor"? is it like the Panasonics zoom method for scope?

The Epson will either stretch or squeeze the picture without losing any pixel density depending on what type of Anamorphic Lens you use. If you use an Anamorphic Lens that stretches the picture horizontally then you would use the Anamorphic Lens Mode on the Epson to stretch the picture vertically to fill your CIH Screen. The zoom method will fill your screen but you would lose pixel density while zooming the black bars off of the screen.

John
post #71 of 3318
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

The Epson with either stretch or squeeze the picture without losing any pixel density depending on what type of Anamorphic Lens you use. If you use an Anamorphic Lens that stretches the picture horizontally then you would use the Anamorphic Lens Mode on the Epson to stretch the picture vertically to fill your CIH Screen. The zoom method will fill your screen but you would lose pixel density while zooming the black bars off of the screen.

John

Thanks for clearing that up for me.
post #72 of 3318
Hi, I am looking at ceiling mounts. Would the Atdec Telehook TH-WH-PJ-CM be suitable for "standard" ceiling mounting of the Epson 5010e (Australian TW9000) ?

If there are any better suggestions I would appreciate these as well.

Thanks
post #73 of 3318
I think the 5010 = TW8000 and the 6010 = TW9000 in Australia/New Zealand.
post #74 of 3318
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Originally Posted by Mickp10 View Post

Hi, I am looking at ceiling mounts. Would the Atdec Telehook TH-WH-PJ-CM be suitable for "standard" ceiling mounting of the Epson 5010e (Australian TW9000) ?

If there are any better suggestions I would appreciate these as well.

Thanks

I'm using the Peerless PRG-UNV mount. I like it because I can mount it straight to the ceiling or add an extention pole later if needed.
http://www.peerlessmounts.com/dyn/Pr...3/u/t/av/15107

I believe the Chief RPAU will work as well.
http://www.chiefmfg.com/Products/RPAU

Both of these are around $100-150 USD but are of good/reliable construction.
post #75 of 3318
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

I upgraded from a Z2000 to 8350 and it had better blacks and PQ.
The 5010 has very noticeable black level/contrast increase over the 8350.

Only thing that may bother you is the fan in normal mode is louder than the Z2000.
In ECO mode, it's as quiet as the Z2000 ECO mode.
The iris noise is about the same.

Getting my 5010 tomorrow. I can't wait to see these blacks =)

My room is fully light controlled so ECO mode it will be. The iris on my Z2000 was pretty loud but I only really noticed it when there was lighting or a flame flashing frequently making it go nuts.

As soon as I found out the 5010 works with my existing panasonic 3D glasses that I bought for my plasma, I was completely sold on it.
post #76 of 3318
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Originally Posted by SpyGuy311 View Post

Getting my 5010 tomorrow. I can't wait to see these blacks =)

My room is fully light controlled so ECO mode it will be. The iris on my Z2000 was pretty loud but I only really noticed it when there was lighting or a flame flashing frequently making it go nuts.

As soon as I found out the 5010 works with my existing panasonic 3D glasses that I bought for my plasma, I was completely sold on it.

Congrats ! Please provide some feedback, incl. fan noise, throw distance set up and what screen you are using. This thread has been eerily quiet on user feedback for the 5010.
post #77 of 3318
Just got home with my 6010, 2 pairs of glasses, extra bulb, mount, mount cover and a 3 year Pro warranty all included. Oh and did I mention, at a great deal.
post #78 of 3318
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Originally Posted by SpyGuy311
Getting my 5010 tomorrow. I can't wait to see these blacks =)

My room is fully light controlled so ECO mode it will be. The iris on my Z2000 was pretty loud but I only really noticed it when there was lighting or a flame flashing frequently making it go nuts.

As soon as I found out the 5010 works with my existing panasonic 3D glasses that I bought for my plasma, I was completely sold on it.


-Can you also test out gaming with the 5010...I would love to hear some more opinions on the input Lag from people who own this projector. Thanks Again!
post #79 of 3318
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Originally Posted by keithj101 View Post

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Originally Posted by SpyGuy311

-Can you also test out gaming with the 5010...I would love to hear some more opinions on the input Lag from people who own this projector. Thanks Again!

I would also like some details about actual gaming experience with the 5010/6010 series. My projectors are used about 30% for gaming, 60% for movies, and about 10% for TV, so gaming IS a pretty big chunk. I currently have an Epson 1080UB. Gaming has been good on that. I know that preliminary data about the 5010 show about a 80ms lag. I'm not sure how that compares with my 1080UB. Having some details about actual gaming experience with the 5010/6010 would certainly be appreciated.
post #80 of 3318
Thread /w input lag tests for the 5010 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1377652

I played Dark Souls on the PS3, jumping puzzles annoyed me as did things that required a split second reaction. I also played Battlefield 3 on the PC and was able to do well but when I saw someone and they saw me at the same time they usually won. I would also get frustrated knowing I could be doing better if I was on my PC monitor.

I played a couple flight simulations and it wasn't as bad, things don't happen that instantly in a aircraft anyway depending on the type you are flying.

Bottom line is you may not notice it if you are a casual gamer or play certain games where reaction time is not important. You will notice it if you play FPS games, connect a PC to your projector or are a semi-serious gamer. If you spend more than 50% of your time gaming its probably not the projector for you. I am about 50 / 50 and am looking at the newer DLP projectors instead.

I also want to vote with my wallet here and I have written Epson an email letting them know they really dropped the ball by making this generation of projectors ~60ms slower than the previous generation. They should be working towards lower input lag every generation, just like monitor manufacturers IMO.
post #81 of 3318
Vullcan, do you think the Panasonic will be better since it has a game mode, apparently this feature is supposed to cut down lag, but I haven't seen anyone test this specifically.
post #82 of 3318
I know it would be better for gaming from what several people have reported on this forum, but I have not tried it. Personally I would not buy it because while it was really good for a while all kinds of projectors have just come out and are still being released that are, in my opinion, slightly better than it for movies, and since it does have some amount of lag (albeit less than the Epson) there are also some DLP's coming out that should be better than it for gaming.

We need to get some solid input lag numbers for the Sony HW30, JVC RS-45, Mits HC7800 & BenQ W7000
post #83 of 3318
Thread Starter 
I just tried to add the 5010 to my Harmony 550 and it doesn't exist in the database.
I configured the remote as the 3010 and it works.

*You'll still need the Epson remote to do fine calibration and to do panel alignment but using the 3010 model will at least allow you to turn it on/off and access some menu items.
post #84 of 3318
Are certain technologies better than others for lag? I wonder if there is an inherent difference between LCD, DLP, or LCOS projectors. There must be a reason why the new Epsons have a larger lag. My guess is that when "processing" technologies are added onto projectors, the greater the possibility of lag. So, the new generation with advanced features may contribute to the lag problem. When they tweak a chip for better processing of light and color, it may negatively affect speed. Probably Epson sided with enhanced movie viewing over gaming with their new line. Maybe reducing the lag would also result in reducing the quality of the image somewhat and they weren't will to do that. Just my speculation.
post #85 of 3318
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

Just got home with my 6010, 2 pairs of glasses, extra bulb, mount, mount cover and a 3 year Pro warranty all included. Oh and did I mention, at a great deal.

Can you make some close-up pictures of the box? Also menus and screenshots would be nice. Type of screen..etc. THX certified ? Art said it had wireless HDMI... i dont think so.. is he correct ?

Thanks
Bill
post #86 of 3318
Thread Starter 
Got my Epson 3D glasses and tested them out on Disney's A Christmas Carol.
WOW!
3D is awesome!

Found myself trying to bat away the snow flakes as they drifted toward my face.

I seen no ghosting or crosstalk.
Didn't see any flickering but did see some judder on fast side to side panning.

Not having the Dynamic Iris isn't a bad thing because the tint of the glasses act like an ND filter and helps contrast.
The blacks looked decent. Not washed out or crushed.

The projector auto detects the content and switches to 3D mode automatically.
You may want to disable the 3D warning or it's displayed every time the projector switches to 3D.

Only drawback is that it does switch to Normal mode on the bulb and can't be switched to ECO but I think with the tint/filter of the glasses, ECO may not be bright enough.

Overall, we like the 3D PQ.

The 2D to 3D is ok but nothing like a real 3D movie.
post #87 of 3318
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Originally Posted by 42Plasmaman View Post

Got my Epson 3D glasses and tested them out on Disney's A Christmas Carol.
WOW!
3D is awesome!

Found myself trying to bat away the snow flakes as they drifted toward my face.

I seen no ghosting or crosstalk.
Didn't see any flickering but did see some judder on fast side to side panning.

Not having the Dynamic Iris isn't a bad thing because the tint of the glasses act like an ND filter and helps contrast.
The blacks looked decent. Not washed out or crushed.

The projector auto detects the content and switches to 3D mode automatically.
You may want to disable the 3D warning or it's displayed every time the projector switches to 3D.

Only drawback is that it does switch to Normal mode on the bulb and can't be switched to ECO but I think with the tint/filter of the glasses, ECO may not be bright enough.

Overall, we like the 3D PQ.

The 2D to 3D is ok but nothing like a real 3D movie.

is the 3d effect better or as good as the movie theater? or better then the 3d led tv's?
post #88 of 3318
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Originally Posted by ricwhite View Post

Are certain technologies better than others for lag? I wonder if there is an inherent difference between LCD, DLP, or LCOS projectors. There must be a reason why the new Epsons have a larger lag. My guess is that when "processing" technologies are added onto projectors, the greater the possibility of lag. .

Yes certain technologies (DLP) are historically better for lag in my experience, but this is not always the case, there are outliers. And yes, it is the processing technology that is causing the lag however this technology can be optimized as we have seen with other projectors. At the very least, they can allow you to disable it in the options menu with a game mode, that way you get the best processing in movie mode and the fastest response in game mode.

They clearly made a design decision somewhere along the line and deemed it too expensive to reduce the response time with their new 3D technology / processing. Hopefully they receive a large enough number of complaints and correct it with next years models.

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Originally Posted by raymondeast View Post

is the 3d effect better or as good as the movie theater? or better then the 3d led tv's?

The 3D effect I witnessed was better than any TV I have seen. It was also better than being in a movie theater, because everything felt so in your face due to sitting so close to the screen. I used to think 3D was a big gimmick until it wasnt just jumping out in front of me in the distance like at the theater but surrounding me on a 100"+ screen
post #89 of 3318
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Originally Posted by SpyGuy311 View Post

Getting my 5010 tomorrow. I can't wait to see these blacks =)

My room is fully light controlled so ECO mode it will be. The iris on my Z2000 was pretty loud but I only really noticed it when there was lighting or a flame flashing frequently making it go nuts.

As soon as I found out the 5010 works with my existing panasonic 3D glasses that I bought for my plasma, I was completely sold on it.

Mine is coming in today also. Can't wait to see this thing in action.
The lag thing doesn't bother me much. I suck at games anyhow. Now I'll have an excuse.
post #90 of 3318
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by raymondeast View Post

is the 3d effect better or as good as the movie theater? or better then the 3d led tv's?

I'd say it's at least equal or probably better than any 3D LED/Plasma TV's Demos (Sony, Panasonic, Samsung) I've seen due to the screen size.

I sit about 10 feet from a 117" so the screen fills my entire field of view.
I also have a light controlled room(bat cave) that probably helps the 3D effect like the movie theaters.

I'd say it's pretty close if not equal to the Imax 3D effect/viewing at the movie theaters.


When watching 3D, it's probably best to watch in total darkness if possible to block out any ambient light that may negate/wash out the 3D effect.

I think the key is to have an adequate screen size, probably a 1-1.5x viewing distance and light controlled room to get the best 3D experience.


*The projector default to 3D Dynamic preset/color mode when switching to 3D mode.
I find that the color is a little rich/red and adjusting the Skin Tone to 5 evens out the red.
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