Yamaha RX-A800 or yamaha RX-v571

It's bad because the 1hkz rating deceives you into thinking your receiver is much more powerful than it really is.

The A800 is a much better receiver than the 571. The Aventage line use better components and comes with a 3 year warranty. Plus the A800 has dual HDMI outputs, preouts for adding an external amplifier and a larger power supply. Newegg actually put that receiver on sale for $299 about a month or so ago for a one or two day sale.

The A800 is a much better receiver. Discrete amp, better build quality, multi-point YPAO, preouts, etc. The 671 would be a harder comparison as it offers networking.

Newegg had the a800 for 299 a couple months ago. Unfortunately, the older models are now becoming extinct. It may go even cheaper somewhere else, but it will be a quick sellout.

The A700 is priced closer to the v571.

Its just a better all around receiver.


The A800 has a discrete amp section and the RX-V571 does not.

Why dont you just get this? I'd rather have it than the Yamaha 571. And the Denon 1911 uses Audyssey MultiEQ which will calibrate/eq your subwoofer. The Yamaha will not. Free shipping too.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html

They are sold out of the units set aside at that price. True, they likely have more, but that's supposed to keep you checking their site.

Get on their email list so you can make a quick purchase next time.

They've had it on sale for that price a few times this month so far.

I hate to say this, in the middle of this Yamaha lovefest, but have you considered Onkyo receivers?

My listening to various systems people have has convinced me that the sound quality of Onkyo receivers is much better than Yamaha. I can listen to all kinds of music for a couple of hours and an Onkyo still sounds nice, and a Yamaha usually makes me want to walk away after 30 minutes; not nice. I start to get a headache. I think it's called "listener fatigue".

Anyway, the Onkyo TX-NR609 is $377 on Amazon at the moment, which is a very good deal (MSRP is $599), and I sure would buy that instead of the ones you are talking about. There are also lower-priced Onkyos that would be better; that is only one example.

Good luck in any case.

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It's the law, sport; the FTC says that all amplifiers have to be tested at 1KHz with an 8 ohm resistor load for 30 minutes at half of the rated power and the distortion published and that the heat sinks must stay below a certain temperature. It is a valid test of the heat sinks.

This distortion spec is a joke, because any amp that isn't actually broken will give you around .01% distortion, which is absolutely meaningless. The same amp will give anywhere from 1% to 8% distortion when amplifying actual MUSIC and with a SPEAKER connected.

Another thing that is a complete lie is that the manufacturer just adds up the individual power ratings of the 7 channels and claims that it has 700 watts of power or what ever. The fact is that the power supply of a 100 watt per channel receiver typically has a power supply that will put out 400-500 watts maximum. If you ever tried to drive all 7 channels to 100w at the same time, fuses will blow or diodes will pop. If you read carefully, the specs always refer to a test with one or maybe 2 channels driven; not more.

An amplifier just loves a resistor for a load, but a speaker system has large amounts of nasty old capacitance and inductance, which can drive the amplifier crazy, and make it distort like hell. How much distortion happens depends mainly on how good the output transistors are, how much current capacity the amplifier power supply has, and how much capacitance and inductance a particular speaker has.

Since these things are expensive to improve, and the engineer who designs these things is on a shoestring budget, your typical HT receiver has a LOT of distortion in its output. I designed amplifiers for a living for 30 years, and I have put hundreds of amplifier circuits through distortion tests on an analyzer, so I KNOW! (how much you actually NOTICE the distortion depends on a lot of variables like what you are listening to, speaker accuracy, and room acoustics; but the distortion is definitely there to hear)

Any moron who says that all amplifiers have low distortion should stop and ask himself why recording studio engineers and other audio professionals spend several thousand dollars each for Bryston, Boulder, Audio Research and similar amps for their monitors. THEY HAVE LESS DISTORTION AND SOUND BETTER...DUHHHH. AND THEY COST THAT MUCH BECAUSE LOW DISTORTION DOES NOT COME CHEAP. Professionals can HEAR the difference and buy what SOUNDS GOOD; low distortion products.

Anyone that all amplifiers have essentially the same amount of distortion has never designed one or properly tested one. People like this probably think that granny's Toyota Celica could win a NASCAR race because all cars are just the same.

There are people on these forums that actually claim that no amplifier has any distortion that is meaningful. My 30 years of designing amplifiers tells me that every amplifier has significant distortion, and that tests on a distortion analyzer prove it every day, and that every attempt to engineer less distortion into an amplifier involves choosing more expensive components. Bryston, Boulder, Audio Research, and other low-distortion amplifiers cost thousands of dollars per channel to buy, and there is a damn good reason why.
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[quote=sealteamz6;21297424]i heard one person say that Just stay away from receivers that give you cheap 1 khz specs, on the front
channels, like the Yamaha 571

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"The A800 has a discrete amp section and the RX-V571 does not."-quote
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No it does not!

No HT receiver has a "discrete amp section". That would imply that the amplifier section has its own power transformer and power supply, completely separate from the rest of the receiver's circuits.

High-end stereo amplifiers often have this, but I have never seen it in an HT receiver (and if one exists, I'm sure it it costs at least $1500).

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http://ca.yamaha.com/en/products/aud...product_lineup

one example

OK; I went there; it says "discrete amp configuration" twice, but in 3 pages of explaining the features it never says one word to explain what the __ they mean by that! I have no idea what that actually MEANS, and neither does anyone else. In the absence of any details, I will have to assume it is pure advertising boilerplate bull!

[quote=commsysman;21366324]It's the law, sport; the FTC says that all amplifiers have to be tested at 1KHz with an 8 ohm resistor load for 30 minutes at half of the rated power and the distortion published and that the heat sinks must stay below a certain temperature. It is a valid test of the heat sinks.

This distortion spec is a joke, because any amp that isn't actually broken will give you around .01% distortion, which is absolutely meaningless. The same amp will give anywhere from 1% to 8% distortion when amplifying actual MUSIC and with a SPEAKER connected.

Another thing that is a complete lie is that the manufacturer just adds up the individual power ratings of the 7 channels and claims that it has 700 watts of power or what ever. The fact is that the power supply of a 100 watt per channel receiver typically has a power supply that will put out 400-500 watts maximum. If you ever tried to drive all 7 channels to 100w at the same time, fuses will blow or diodes will pop. If you read carefully, the specs always refer to a test with one or maybe 2 channels driven; not more.

An amplifier just loves a resistor for a load, but a speaker system has large amounts of nasty old capacitance and inductance, which can drive the amplifier crazy, and make it distort like hell. How much distortion happens depends mainly on how good the output transistors are, how much current capacity the amplifier power supply has, and how much capacitance and inductance a particular speaker has.

Since these things are expensive to improve, and the engineer who designs these things is on a shoestring budget, your typical HT receiver has a LOT of distortion in its output. I designed amplifiers for a living for 30 years, and I have put hundreds of amplifier circuits through distortion tests on an analyzer, so I KNOW! (how much you actually NOTICE the distortion depends on a lot of variables like what you are listening to, speaker accuracy, and room acoustics; but the distortion is definitely there to hear)

Any moron who says that all amplifiers have low distortion should stop and ask himself why recording studio engineers and other audio professionals spend several thousand dollars each for Bryston, Boulder, Audio Research and similar amps for their monitors. THEY HAVE LESS DISTORTION AND SOUND BETTER...DUHHHH. AND THEY COST THAT MUCH BECAUSE LOW DISTORTION DOES NOT COME CHEAP. Professionals can HEAR the difference and buy what SOUNDS GOOD; low distortion products.

Anyone that all amplifiers have essentially the same amount of distortion has never designed one or properly tested one. People like this probably think that granny's Toyota Celica could win a NASCAR race because all cars are just the same.

There are people on these forums that actually claim that no amplifier has any distortion that is meaningful. My 30 years of designing amplifiers tells me that every amplifier has significant distortion, and that tests on a distortion analyzer prove it every day, and that every attempt to engineer less distortion into an amplifier involves choosing more expensive components. Bryston, Boulder, Audio Research, and other low-distortion amplifiers cost thousands of dollars per channel to buy, and there is a damn good reason why.
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sport?

Relax, most of these guys being rude online are total wusses in real life; they just need to get rid of that steam while they are getting bullied around in the real world.

I have to warn you....
There's a group of people on this forum that will state that all amps and receivers sound the same and if you try to convince them otherwise, they'll plug their ears and say 'la la la' really loud and claim that either a) You're biased b) You have dogmatic beliefs that are wrong c) You think you have golden ears when no one in the entire world does d) It's been scientifically proven that you're wrong by some guy who claims that unless you can pick the better amp 24 out of 24 times, you can't hear a difference e) the amps and/or receivers are clipping or outside of their designed range f) You didn't do a double blind test g) All of the above. It's usually g.

A discrete amp is an amp built with discrete components like individual transistors as opposed to using chips like LM3886/LM4780/OPA541/etc. Many receivers do use those sorts of power op amps and such. They are perfectly fine to use if they provide enough power for the application, but if you feel the need to provide a million watts per channel, you probably won't find a chipamp that does it. Discrete amps are just different, not necessarily better or worse, so it's just a marketing distinction.

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Do we have the case of the ********s or something? Time for some better speakers, bud. I've owned both and neither sounds better or worse than the other. Onykos just have a history of breaking down, which is why I would never own another. Must be those distorted amps you design and use on the Yamaha that makes them sound bad....

OP..

FWIW, i was/am running a similar budget set up. currently on the yamaha a800 with vintage Infinity speakers rs425 (wow are these really vintage now?). despite what my more hifi experienced friend (yea but he's a headphone guy, he'll never get it lol) i LOVE the sound of this set up with a yst sw215 for sub. i have to admit, however, that the only reason i have this a800 is cause i waste at least a few hours every week strolling around the local best buy... and then one day this receiver was on discount for $270 i simply couldn't resist.

but from my experience thus far and having a very seasoned musician's ear, a difference of 100-200 dollars between receivers/amps in this price range is going to be negligible especially if your listening room isn't treated and you don't have high-end speakers to take advantage of a difference even if there is one. at this stage, i think an HDMI out to a receiver like this and a healthy collection of 96/24 to train your ears will prepare for the "oh **** i just spent HOW much!?" which will occur sooner than you think