Originally Posted by tommyv2
3D games (I don't mean games played with glasses in THREE-DEEEE) are useless for lag tests. They factor in some lag to begin with, and have their own - waiting for vsync, triple-buffering, upscaling, blah blah blah. Using 2D, sprite-based or vector-based games shows you everything you need to know.
It's like those people in the TV forums - "I hate this TV, it shows pixelation when the football players move."
Right, as if the tightly compressed satellite feeds have nothing
to do with that! People are mostly ignorant, and see what they see, not knowing what causes it. Using a "television" source to check your display device is asinine, just like using upscaled, 3D, wireless-controller-driven games to test input lag is asinine as well.
Some of you are clearly delusional and are actually hurting people - someone is going to read "Yep, the 3010 has no lag, feels perfect to me, I game all the time and I know what's good and bad," and then buy it, hate
it, and can't return it. That's a disservice, and it's not fair to the majority of readers here. Someone is going to drop almost $2000 to find out they've been lied to.
The 3010 and 5010 have horrible lag, end of story. Everyone defending it, please stop. Just because you "can't feel it" doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Do some screenshot proofs and you will see - science beats personal opinion.
Your rant started funny but quickly became abusive and presumptuous
not sure why you say the "no lag" camp is doing disservice ? we don't see it for what we use it and are reporting facts and we are not stopping you from reporting what you see for your specific gaming style
also people should have become smart my now about not buying PJ's you cant return without hassle....now that is asinine ! Go read all the PJ forums on HD33 and 9500...folks who have issues are bending over back to get them fixed with crappy customer service ! 3010 on the other hand can be bought on Amazon for $1350 or BB for $1400 both of which offer excellent return service.
in fact people like you who use 3010 for a very specific purpose and see a lot of lag (not that there is anything wrong with it) and who discount it are doing disservice to a lot of potential buyers who are looking at it primarily for 3D-capability. I see many people on holding off buying without even trying it for themselves as you scared them off about this so called lag which you yourself claim is not measurable with a 3D-graphics games which accounts for majority of causal gamers. If you only care about 2D graphics, go buy a 2D projector.
Please dont spread wrong information to serve your agenda.
I respect defiancecp on the other hand as he is very clear about the facts in terms of where the lag shows up and where it doesn't. His is a lot more informative view where potential buyers can look at his info and see if they will be affected by it. Infact i was initially worried about it after reading his very first reviews on the lag but took the plunge only to be pleasantly surpries that I dont see it as much as other do for my style of gaming. I now am enjoying it for a variety of reasons - best said by Trick "best value add" !