Input Lag: A Scientific Experiment (Epson 8350, 3010, 5010 & more) - Page 8

Originally Posted by tommyv2

Just to skew some imaginary numbers, every single one of my friends knows what input lag is and goes out of their way to buy equipment that is tested and bench-marked for good results. In fact, everything else stops existing. It's definitely not that uncommon - here's an Internet thread about it, and there's been many threads chomping at the bit for results on these Epsons before they were widely available.

Someone cares. Someone's buying other units right now. I'm sure Epson might not care, but they are making less money than they could because they are lazy, and that's the bottom line.

Originally Posted by MrVizio

So true, Tommy.

I just got this projector from BB. I think it's fantastic in every way for the price. REALLY want to keep it... but I can't.

I'm far from a hardcore gamer. Play Halo and Fight Night Champ. Mainly offline. Mainly with one other friend. I know FNC is not a lag-reference game. But JEEZ... I hit the button (throw a punch) and I have time to raise both my hands up and clap before the punch is thrown/landed.

This is really too bad. If Epson would have found a way to at least cut the lag in half I would be recommending this pj to everyone. And I have always been one of those people who felt the whole lag issue was overblown, but with this pj it is a major prob.

Also, I ordered a small hdmi cable from monoprice. Despite the divide on this issue I will report my findings when I receive it. But otherwise c'est la vie!

Originally Posted by xhonzi

Both of the highest rated reviews for the 3010, the "good" one and the "bad" one, on Amazon mention the lag. It has to be affecting sales to some degree.

http://www.amazon.com/Epson-PowerLit...DateDescending

Originally Posted by xhonzi

Alright, I'm toying with the idea of picking up a 3010 just to test this again. Yes, I am that desperate.

Falafala, can you tell me exactly where you bought exactly which OFSO? I'd hate to do the test and then get told that I used the wrong 1 ft cable.

Originally Posted by keithj101

So what projector are you going to get instead? It is a real damn shame about the Epson.

Originally Posted by MrVizio

I really don't know at this point. This was actually my first pj. I have a 65" plasma and a 60" lcd/led currently and was curious about how I would take to a pj. And I loved it. The sheer size creates that experience that makes you want to watch your collection of movies all over again. Really, really cool.

All I know now is I def want a pj. I can't do DLP because I unfortunately am badly effected by the RBE. If I gave up 3D I suppose that would open up more options, but that seems kind of stupid.

If I can save up enough dough maybe I'll shoot for that Panny 7000 deal.

Or....

....maybe Epson can issue a firmware/software fix if possible, lol. Doubt it.

Originally Posted by keithj101

If you still have the Epson hooked up, could you take some video that shows the Lag. I know it's not scientific but it would be nice to see what it looks like in the real world.

Originally Posted by xhonzi

It doesn't look like anything.

It feels like there's a delay between what you do and what you see. It's not a very long delay, so you wouldn't be able to appreciate it in a video. It's just long enough that it affects you, but not quite long enough that everyone will recognize it right away.

Originally Posted by falafala

Found this review at bestbuy

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Epson 3010 review on gaming, cable/satillite,3D
4.0
Posted by:*nicemediaroom
from huntsville alon*01/24/2012
Value for Price
2.0
Ease of Use
5.0
Features
4.0
First, I will tell you that I had a few problems with my setup. These are direct question and answers from the Epson Techs.
(Problem 1)
When I first install the 3010 and connected my PS3 the picture would flash on and off every 15 to 30 seconds but it whould not do this while watching a movie.
(Problem 2)
When viewing directv (tv shows or movies)the first 10 to 20 minutes are ok but after that the picture would flash on and off every 15 to 30 seconds.
Also the gaming sucks bad on this projector because of the lag. will it be any updates to fix this?
ANSWERS FROM THE EPSON TECH
Thank you for contacting Epson.
For both issues, as a test, directly connect the PS3 then the DirecTV box to the projector. This will bypass the A/V receiver. More than likely the image from the DirecTV will be ok but the PS3 will still do the issue. This is because the DirecTV signal is 1080i and doesn't require as much bandwidth to display as a full 1080p signal does. When displaying the home screen with the settings, the signal is a full 1080p signal but when the movie plays it is probably a 1080p with 24 fps signal that doesn't require as much bandwidth as a full 1080p signal. This all leads up to being a cable length issue. This can be tested by connecting a shorter cable as a test. We only guarantee the signal will work from source to projector with a 15 ft HDMI cable. In order for you to still use the 40 ft HDMI cable, you will need to purchase an HDMI signal booster. This will amplify the signal across the long run to the projector.
Unfortunately there will be no update to the lag for gaming. The lag is caused by a hardware component and not just the firmware. Some games do have a setting to calibrate the controller to the video being displayed.
If you require further assistance with this particular issue, please ensure all of our previous correspondence is contained in your reply, so we can better track the history of this issue.
If you have a different issue, please submit another E-form via our website (http://www.epson.com), and we will respond in a timely manner. Thank you again for contacting Epson.
Jimmy Z
Customer Support Specialist
Epson America, Inc.
So to fix this problem I i bought a hdmi signal booster and everything has been working great. But for gaming my luck has ran out. Also if you can't find extra espon 3d glass you can use the Panasonic 3rd generation, you will know this by the model number exp.TY-EW3D3SU the 3 before the S means 3rd generation the the S means small. The Panasonic are also rechargeable but the Epson's are not.
this package does come with 2 free pair of 3d glass which is a plus.
Epson 3010 40ft hdmi 1.4b
Pioneer 1021-k (7.1) receiver
Samsung BD-D6500ZA 3D Blu-ray
Directv HD DVR
PS3
XBOX360
Logitech Revue
What's great about it:*3d
What's not so great:*game lag
This product has...
Easy to use remote control Great image quality Easy setup

Originally Posted by tqn

It's nice to see input lag gaining importance as a factor to consider. Projector Central has posted some numbers for various projectors. In summary, some Panasonic and Mitsubishi models good with low lag; Epson (5010) bad with high lag.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/proj...ntry_id=487&em

Originally Posted by falafala

since you are hell bent on trying this snake oil....here is the hdmi i bought

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...00_i00_details

Originally Posted by defiancecp

What does an ownership poll have to do with objective measurement of lag?

Originally Posted by rgtaa

falafala
Did you find the short cable cut down on the gaming lag on the 3010.
You suggested "snake oil" and posted to short cable, is it myth or fact.

Originally Posted by falafala

I still have it, but I never found any issue with lag in the first place for my style of gaming....the only subjective metric I had was infamous 2 where it seemed to be different. BTW, I tried playing mega man Psn download and I did not find the game unresponsive in the first place, but that's not my cup of tea. I also tried playing on my LCD Samsung ln52a650 which seems to be even more "laggy" !

Originally Posted by rgtaa

Well, lag would be only important if you are playing PC,360,PS3 multiplayer games where if you push a button and it doesn't show up immediately, on Modern Warfare 3 or Battlefield 3, YOU ARE DEAD.

Not a concern for you, I take it, but many of us are Gamers too in addition to watching movies, TV shows, we use these projectors to game on. So you can't say yes or no if 1 foot cable works to lower lag, can anyone else , comment on this. Thanks.

Originally Posted by falafala

see one of my earlier posts where I quoted a review from Bestbuy, where apparently Epson admitted that it cannot be fixed by a FW upgarde as its a HW issue. Why are you not looking at the new 3D DLP PJ's if lag is a dealbreaker ?

Originally Posted by rgtaa

Bro, this TREAD is titled INPUT LAG: A scientific experiment and listed 3 epsons and MORE! This thread compares many projectors for lag, not just the 3010. I am interested in getting another projector, was looking at ones that could be 3d too, with good lag and hopefully short throw, optoma lg750 and others. Yea, I did read your other post from best buy review. I was just wondering if short cable would fix it, that is why I asked you earlier today. I want to know my options.

Originally Posted by falafala

xhonzi PM'd me.....he is onto something....i would wait hear his findings

Originally Posted by TrickMcKaha

Lag measurements seem to vary from time to time for some reason. I would not attribute this to the length of the HDMI cable. I think that if you changed nothing, you would still get some variation in lag measurements, especially if you turned off the projector between sessions and probably if you simply closed and then reopened the program that puts the timer on the screen.