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post #10411 of 11118
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Get a separate sub... a WORLD of difference. I have a 2.1 set up and i'm COMPLETELY satisfied with it...
post #10412 of 11118
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Get a separate sub... a WORLD of difference. I have a 2.1 set up and i'm COMPLETELY satisfied with it...
Yea a 2.1 set up with a sub is much better than just 2.0 as is adds more bass. And believe it or not, the Vizio soundbars are quite good and get good reviews. Particularly the Vizio 215, which is often on sale for $199 at Sam's and Walmart. And the LG and Samsung 2.1 soundars are both on sale at Best Buy and HHG for $269, with the LG recommended. But if you have a Panasonic TV, the HTB20 and HTB550 integrate very nicely with the same TV remote using HDMI ARC connection, and I believe optical out as well. And I used to use a good Logitech 2.1 computer speakers with an older TV, but unfortunately the newer TVs don't use RCA audio out anymore. But a good soundbar will definitely be a big improvement over the TV speakers.
post #10413 of 11118
Just so you know, because of expected ACC football overruns, we will start the FOX College Football games on TV8.2 at 2:30 on Saturdays and when the ACC game is over on 8.1, we will switch to the FOX college game on 8.1 while continuing with the FOX game on TV8.2 in a simulcast of the same game on both channels. When the FOX game is over on 8.2 we will go back to AntennaTV.
post #10414 of 11118
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Just so you know, because of expected ACC football overruns, we will start the FOX College Football games on TV8.2 at 2:30 on Saturdays and when the ACC game is over on 8.1, we will switch to the FOX college game on 8.1 while continuing with the FOX game on TV8.2 in a simulcast of the same game on both channels. When the FOX game is over on 8.2 we will go back to AntennaTV.
Great idea!
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

Just so you know, because of expected ACC football overruns, we will start the FOX College Football games on TV8.2 at 2:30 on Saturdays and when the ACC game is over on 8.1, we will switch to the FOX college game on 8.1 while continuing with the FOX game on TV8.2 in a simulcast of the same game on both channels. When the FOX game is over on 8.2 we will go back to AntennaTV.
Great idea!

And it is in native widescreen too since we broadcast 16:9 normally on TV8.2!
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Will it be in HD on 8-2 like the Directv guides claims? biggrin.gif

Is the CIAA Network new? I passed by the Elizabeth City State @ Virginia State game on 50-2 WRAZ MeTV earlier and just now when I flipped over to the antenna tuner on the TV to see how the Fox game looks on 8-2, I saw the CIAA Network also on 20-4 WCWG Bounce TV.

Does anyone from WCWG lurk on this forum? Please fix your guide info for 20-4! It's not Paid Programming and Country videos anymore! (And fix the errors on 20-2 and the SEC Network game info on 20-1. Thanks!)

BTW, the game looks great (for subchannel SD) on WGHP 8-2. Totally watchable if I didn't have it in HD on another channel. If WRAZ shows an overflow ACC game at any point and JIP's the Fox game, it is great to have another source for the game. SD is better than no game at all. Thanks Foxeng/WGHP.
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Will it be in HD on 8-2 like the Directv guides claims? biggrin.gif

Yeah, right! NOT! But it is in native widescreen. What more do you want? biggrin.gif
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BTW, the game looks great (for subchannel SD) on WGHP 8-2. Totally watchable if I didn't have it in HD on another channel. If WRAZ shows an overflow ACC game at any point and JIP's the Fox game, it is great to have another source for the game. SD is better than no game at all. Thanks Foxeng/WGHP.

Your welcome.

We tried to work something with ACC, but they wouldn't agree to a move to subchannel on an overage since every ACC game seems to run over. And from what i hear, it took a lot of arm twisting with FOX to allow the game to run on the subchannel. I think FOX is allowing us to do the 2:30 game only if ACC is on the air on the main channel. There appears to be a lot of things that have to mesh before we can put the 2:30 game on the subchannel.
post #10418 of 11118
I was just going to ask that about Fox letting you simulcast.

How do some stations get away with 2 HD feeds? WTVD 1 and 2 are both HD and, while not perfect, it sure is kinda cool. They also repeat the 11-2 channel in SD on 11-3 which baffles my mind, but to each their own.
post #10419 of 11118
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How do some stations get away with 2 HD feeds? WTVD 1 and 2 are both HD and, while not perfect, it sure is kinda cool. They also repeat the 11-2 channel in SD on 11-3 which baffles my mind, but to each their own.

720p on both HD channels help and one or both of the HD channels is at the point of bit starving and a lot of stat muxing. The results vary from station to station but the general thinking is at this point, using MPEG2, one HD is preferred.
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WCCB runs the same Fox feed on 18.1 and 18.2, and both are HD and look good. 18.3 is MeTV.
post #10421 of 11118
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WCCB runs the same Fox feed on 18.1 and 18.2, and both are HD and look good. 18.3 is MeTV.

18.2 is a virtual channel and (re)uses the same video from 18.1 with the FOX SAP-DVS audio..so no extra bandwidth required other than for 2nd audio and a miniscule amount of PSIP data.
Edited by bdfox18doe - 10/6/12 at 6:48pm
post #10422 of 11118
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

720p on both HD channels help and one or both of the HD channels is at the point of bit starving and a lot of stat muxing. The results vary from station to station but the general thinking is at this point, using MPEG2, one HD is preferred.

Ain't No way I'd do two...rolleyes.gif
post #10423 of 11118
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And it is in native widescreen too since we broadcast 16:9 normally on TV8.2!

Amazing how that works out ain't it? smile.gif Just like on 18.3.. I spoke with my Harmonic support engineer last week..they say that's the way SD channels should be done now. cool.gif
post #10424 of 11118
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And it is in native widescreen too since we broadcast 16:9 normally on TV8.2!

Amazing how that works out ain't it? smile.gif Just like on 18.3.. I spoke with my Harmonic support engineer last week..they say that's the way SD channels should be done now. cool.gif

I think we are the only station in our group doing it. We had a corporate engineer through a couple of months ago and he wasn't too hot on the idea. But it works beautifully. Plus we don't deal with 4:3 natively anymore. We are a 16:9 house and that is what we deal in. Sure makes life much easier. I don't know how those stations who are maintaining 4:3 on air is doing it credibly. There is a station here that is actively trying to do that with some "interesting" results to say the least. They use AFD for their commercials and it appears they are using that in house to preformat 16:9 commercials for their dot 2 but then you have the issue of boxes all around the video when seen on 16:9 sets, which is what is beginning to be the norm in homes now. Being 16:9, we don't have to deal with that so those complaints have all but stopped except for those spots that the client insists on letterbox. It is their money.

Now I completely agree, if you are using analog NTSC, then that is a bad looking mess because of the limited video bandwidth. 3.5 MHz just isn't enough for a good looking picture. When we went widescreen news we shot widescreen SD live shots through the analog ICRs from the digital BAS trucks and at that conversion point, man did that look like a bad mess of NTSC noise. There is still one station in the market is still using MRC 6G's for ICR's and their live shots look bad even though they are HD everywhere else. But 601 SDI anamorphic, which is what we are doing on the dot 2 looks pretty good and that is what we are running since we have no analog NTSC links in house anymore. They are all HD or very limited links of 601 SDI. When we put our new automation on line next year, the only places that will not be HD will be origination sources like sat receivers since there are still some stuff that comes in SD that will immediately be upconverted to HD and the literal "last mile" of the dot 2 since that is a SD encoder. I do wish we had done a 480p encoder, but no one is selling those since 16:9 is the standard for 480p.

I like to think we are forward looking in that respect but...... who knows for sure.
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And as far as the FOX College Football on TV8.2, it looked pretty good, even in SD widescreen. Other than some occasional minor pixalization due to the main channel pulling bits through the stat mux (I hate taking anything away from the HD channel), it looked pretty good. I had more concerns about the correct commercials playing than anything else. But all in all, it went very well on air. I watched both channels going in and out of it and everything jelled. I was happy!
post #10426 of 11118
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Ain't No way I'd do two...rolleyes.gif

My ONLY issue with our DTV protocols is that one size cannot fit all. Some programming I'd prefer in lower horz. and vert. resolution, and with a higher phase resolution, or refresh rate. ATSC does not allow for this, as flexible, and contentious as it is. I'm not sure there is any practical issue in a frame rate of 120 per second, other than it isn't part of the program. Some programing will be better with the highest geometric resolution, some, I think, with a higher refresh rate. When it comes to voting, and, understanding I have NO vote, I would often want a less detailed picture with better resolution of motion.
As far as what others think, including those who believe that broadcasters should have only one HD program per channel to the exclusion of any sub channels,..... since the beginning of the 21st Cemtury, only what I think matters, to me. :mad.gif:tongue.gif:eek.giftongue.gif
post #10427 of 11118
Just remember, in its original form that was approved, there were no SD subchannels if one HD channel was in use. The concept was you either had one HD channel or many SD subchannels. You are looking at late 80's/early 90's technology here. It has evolved to what we have now. Matter of fact the first production encoders were built in such a way that it was an either or of HD/SD. If you wanted HD you added modules. If you wanted SD, you deleted modules. And the thought was you would only have HD for high value programming such as movies and dramas, not newscasts and judge shows. Obviously that thinking didn't last long.
post #10428 of 11118
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Just remember, in its original form that was approved, there were no SD subchannels if one HD channel was in use. The concept was you either had one HD channel or many SD subchannels. You are looking at late 80's/early 90's technology here. It has evolved to what we have now. Matter of fact the first production encoders were built in such a way that it was an either or of HD/SD. If you wanted HD you added modules. If you wanted SD, you deleted modules. And the thought was you would only have HD for high value programming such as movies and dramas, not newscasts and judge shows. Obviously that thinking didn't last long.

Yes, I recall some broadcasters describing the Brave New World of DTV. Primetime would be full HD, and the rest of the day would be assorted SD programs, niche programming is some ways. Broadcast TV would be the standard for viewing. Viewers could uncable. The UNC Network got close, but backed off before the analog shutdown. The story is not yet over, there may still be some surprises.
post #10429 of 11118
Yes, I recall some broadcasters describing the Brave New World of DTV. Primetime would be full HD, and the rest of the day would be assorted SD programs, niche programming is some ways. Broadcast TV would be the standard for viewing. Viewers could uncable. The UNC Network got close, but backed off before the analog shutdown. The story is not yet over, there may still be some surprises.

 

Now that Oprah's show is gone, and in light of the apparent success of the nostalgia sitcom channels Me-TV and Antenna TV, I wonder whether a nostalgia talk show diginet would be viable. It could have old shows such as Dick Cavett, Merv Griffin, Mike Douglas, and the Phil Donahue shows from the period before he had to go absurdist to try to compete against Geraldo and Jerry Springer. Maybe throw in some old variety shows, too. The talk show episodes would have to be carefully selected to avoid stuff about current events that were of interest at the time but that viewers today might not care about.

post #10430 of 11118
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Originally Posted by veedon View Post

Now that Oprah's show is gone, and in light of the apparent success of the nostalgia sitcom channels Me-TV and Antenna TV, I wonder whether a nostalgia talk show diginet would be viable. It could have old shows such as Dick Cavett, Merv Griffin, Mike Douglas, and the Phil Donahue shows from the period before he had to go absurdist to try to compete against Geraldo and Jerry Springer. Maybe throw in some old variety shows, too. The talk show episodes would have to be carefully selected to avoid stuff about current events that were of interest at the time but that viewers today might not care about.

I'd watch.
post #10431 of 11118
Just to give you an update, we have our CALM Act processing on line now. Still adjusting it, but it seems to be working. We shall see. I also have our Dolby 5.1 upmix working as well so when the time comes to pass 5.1 on syndication programming, we should be ready. It has been a while, but we are getting there.
post #10432 of 11118
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Originally Posted by difuse View Post

I'd watch.

I'd watch too. I'm just not sure there'd be enough interest level (in general) to support the old talk shows.

But I'd really like to see more of the old sketch comedy shows on Antenna TV or MeTV. The Carol Burnett Show was one of the best from the 1970's. And on a different note, who could forget Hee Haw biggrin.gif
post #10433 of 11118
I like Carol Burnett and the spinoff show Mama's Family. And maybe the revival of the Nashville Network as a subchannel can again show reruns of Hee Haw. I always enjoyed the woman who screamed "Howdee!" with the price tag hanging out of her hat, Minnie Pearl. And Goober continued his role from the Andy Griffith Show. It was country and corny, but quite comical. And also on Saturday nights, there was the Lawrence Welk Show with the famous champagne lady.
post #10434 of 11118
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. And maybe the revival of the Nashville Network as a subchannel can again show reruns of Hee Haw.

Hee Haw is on the RFD-TV Network
post #10435 of 11118
Is that a cable channel or an OTA subchannel?
post #10436 of 11118
Cable & satellite.
post #10437 of 11118
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

I like Carol Burnett and the spinoff show Mama's Family. And maybe the revival of the Nashville Network as a subchannel can again show reruns of Hee Haw. I always enjoyed the woman who screamed "Howdee!" with the price tag hanging out of her hat, Minnie Pearl. And Goober continued his role from the Andy Griffith Show. It was country and corny, but quite comical.

You never know on TNN?! cool.gif I do know that some of the old TNN programming is on other networks and may not be available when TNN relaunches.
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And also on Saturday nights, there was the Lawrence Welk Show with the famous champagne lady.

UNC TV runs Lawrence Welk at 7pm on Saturdays now.
post #10438 of 11118
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Just to give you an update, we have our CALM Act processing on line now. Still adjusting it, but it seems to be working. We shall see. I also have our Dolby 5.1 upmix working as well so when the time comes to pass 5.1 on syndication programming, we should be ready. It has been a while, but we are getting there.

Not sure if this is related, but during the 7pm News on 8-2, the audio from the news was only coming from the right channel. During the commercials, however, it is normal.
post #10439 of 11118
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

Just to give you an update, we have our CALM Act processing on line now. Still adjusting it, but it seems to be working. We shall see. I also have our Dolby 5.1 upmix working as well so when the time comes to pass 5.1 on syndication programming, we should be ready. It has been a while, but we are getting there.

Not sure if this is related, but during the 7pm News on 8-2, the audio from the news was only coming from the right channel. During the commercials, however, it is normal.

Could have been the way it was recorded, or played back. We have a issue with that deck so it may still not be right. I will look into tomorrow.
post #10440 of 11118
I live in Virginia and i pick up wfmy most of the time to all of the time. channel 12 ,26.I use to pick up wghp when they were on digital ch 8.Now maybe once or twice a year when the conditions are right i might see it for a little while.How come WFMYS antenna is so much higher than wghps.I also pick up all the channels out of Roanoke .But i use to love watching wghp.Will the tower stay the same height it is now.
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