Originally Posted by jspENC
It's kind of sad that the sub channels don't even show up on the ratings. I blame the providers that the majority are paying for. They do a poor job of locating the channels where consumers are likely to find them. They can brand them as a -2 on their program guides, but they put them way up in the 100's or 1000's. Unless a station does an ad on their main channel for the sub channel and tells people where to turn, they are not going to accomplish much, at least I don't think so...
It took me a while to find the HD local channels on TWC, since I assumed it would just make sense. The installer did not mention it at all. In fairness to my TWC installer, he did put it on ESPN HD before he left, I just didn't see him do it and so I didn't realize it was so far away from the other channels. I was new to this area and only been here 3 days but I had my antenna hooked up, realized that Fox 8 was the best news in Greensboro, and was impressed that the local news was in HD, so at 5pm I decided to stop unpacking. I put my TWC box on channel 8 manually (not the guide) and it wasn't HD. I spend forever looking in the menus cuz I thought I had hidden HD or something. I searched the guide and was surprised to find WFMY on ch 9, WXLV on 10, but WTVD and WXII (which I had never seen before, the only NBC I get OTA is WNCN), were the correct number. I was thinking: where are the subchannels? Oh yeah, during the storm, there was a banner on WRAL saying channel 106 was WRAL2. Where's 106? WRAL said 106 is WRAL2, why is it different? Where is WRAL, anyway? (TWC turned on ch 106 TCN shortly after this.) I had seen analog cable as a kid where the locals weren't on the proper number, but only a few of them were wrong and branded themselves thusly "ABC 22, cable 4." I ignorantly assumed digital cable would make it make sense, and since stations stopped that co-channel branding in my area, I considered that verification that cable was getting smarter.
I then discovered TWC doesn't carry all the locals receivable in the area and the boxes didn't have anyway to integrate OTA. I was livid. It was my own fault for not doing HW, but it was HW did not know I had to do cuz I was used to satellite. I had seen QAM before from cable and since the locals on QAM show up on the proper channel number (2-1, 2-2, 8-1, 8-2, etc) I didn't think they would be different with a box. I had never had digital cable before. The only reason I knew the HD started in the 1000s is looking for the Smithsonian Channel. I knew that Smithsonian was HD only. I had to search online and found 1367 (or whatever it is) as the channel number. That is also when I discovered this forum! I had never seen such an ignorant system for doing HD channels. Why on earth are they just not re-mapped to the SD channel number or the OTA channel number? I have since seen Comcast, which is by far worse. There is no correlation between the SD/HD number. My friend has Comcast up north and ESPN is ch 10 and ESPN HD is ch 772. With TWC, if you ignore the channels less than 100, they all (except WTVD channel 11 and TV Guide channel 42, if memory serves) repeat over 100, and if you use the second appearance's channel number, you just add 1000 to it, like Directv does on-demand. I have been to many homes with HD boxes hooked up with cable and the people are watching channel 8 instead of the 1120 channel number it is in HD. It is baffling to me that the locals allow this, especially since it effectively separates the -1 and -2 channels. I was so happy to see the Directv man I considered hugging him. Never again will cable fool me with new customer promotions! Yay Directv! Yay AM21. Yay logical HD!
I won't even touch the mess that is FS South/FS Carolinas and Sportsouth on TWC.
Rant over, carry on.Edited by ejb1980 - 2/4/13 at 2:29pm