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post #10801 of 11117
I've already been in touch with the right person at QVC who is now trying to get the ION people to fix their encoders to show QVC in 16:9. It has already happened in some places.

- Trip
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Originally Posted by Trip in VA View Post

I've already been in touch with the right person at QVC who is now trying to get the ION people to fix their encoders to show QVC in 16:9. It has already happened in some places.

- Trip

This is great news. There are many Cozi and Movies affiliates across the country that could use this too!

I have noticed that WCWG's Estrella is mixed anamorphic and real 4:3. Are they doing that or is Estrella sent to them that way? Like I've said before, Directv baffles my mind with this. Some SD channels are wrong/anamorphic (Univision-west, ch 403, for example, but there are several others) while BYU and Baby First are delivered correctly in 16:9 SD, as is WGHP 8-2 on the Genie.

Yes, Foxeng, you should get an award for common sense. It is so rare that it deserves recognition!
post #10803 of 11117
BYU is in 16:9 on Time Warner as well. I wish more channels would do this.
post #10804 of 11117
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BYU is in 16:9 on Time Warner as well. I wish more channels would do this.

NESN used to be 16:9 SD, too, on TWC, but I see they've finally added the HD. TWC's HD lineup is impressive. Too bad their HD quality is not nearly as good as Directv.
post #10805 of 11117
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I don't know if we need an award for something that is common sense, but it appears many engineers do not understand how anamorphic works. I think that is why many 480i channels do not attempt 16:9 and some that do, screw it up. I know in my own company, we are the only station that does a 16:9 subchannel. I got some interesting looks and comments when some corporate engineers found out we were doing 16:9 and not 4:3 on 8-2. Many believe that anamorphic 720x480 just can never have good PQ due to what they saw with NTSC analog in anamorphic. That was a mess. But SDI 601 digital 720x480 doesn't suffer many of the NTSC artifacts that show up when you do anamorphic. It is a picture bandwidth issue.

We did 480i anamorphic upconverted to HD for a year before we went HD and because we were completely digital in house, the PQ was quite good and some viewers thought we were already HD. Most people do not realize that during our 480i anamorphic days, we were using the same equipment we had been using since 2000. It was all 480i 4:3 equipment. In 2009 we just started doing anamorphic. I know it took a while to get my boss to understand what was happening. He just couldn't see how you could get 16:9 out of a 4:3 frame. I had to do a demo for him and the GM and the ND to show that we could do it without spending a lot of money and the PQ would still be good. Something so easy was such a hard sell. After we switched to anamorphic, I asked the head director what he thought of it. His answer was "I don't know how the hell you are doing it with SD equipment (meaning "4:3" equipment), but it looks damn good!"

If everyone started using 480p encoding instead of 480i, this wouldn't be a problem. 480p is setup as a 16:9 picture where 480i can be used either 4:3 or 16:9.

Good report.
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Has anyone had any recent experience with (or heard about) U-Verse being available in new areas of the Triad? I wonder if they're still expanding in the area.
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Has anyone had any recent experience with (or heard about) U-Verse being available in new areas of the Triad? I wonder if they're still expanding in the area.

Speaking of U-Verse; not interested in the TV side of it, but how about the internet side of it? What equipment is required and who installs it and where?
post #10808 of 11117
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Speaking of U-Verse; not interested in the TV side of it, but how about the internet side of it? What equipment is required and who installs it and where?

They do:

Install new demarc outside house.
Usually new cat-5/6 into the house
Install 2WIRE HGV-3800B router
Back feed analog Telco to your other phone jacks
12v power supply with internal battery backup

provisioning and actually making mine work took over a day.
post #10809 of 11117
They seem to be expanding, or at least discovering it is actually available in places their GIS said it was not. Like my house near UNCG. I recently went to TWC Signature in a last attempt to remedy the abysmal service I have had, and I'll have to say the internet speed is good (57/6 here). However, I am not married to them by a long shot, and am interested in hearing about experience with Uverse, and for that matter, DirecTV. I'm interested in fast internet and best quality/selection of HD. I'm loving Roku, and may get out of the cable/satellite business altogether.
post #10810 of 11117
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Speaking of U-Verse; not interested in the TV side of it, but how about the internet side of it? What equipment is required and who installs it and where?

When we were somewhat forcibly upgraded from DSL at dad's office, they had a special AT&T tech come out for the install and another tech that worked at the CO to get it working. I don't know what options there are, but we got a wireless/wired modem that's about the size of a phone book.

That's what led me to ask though - his install was a year ago and the office is only 2 miles from the house. I check periodically, and there's been no progress in reaching our neighborhood that I can tell.

When we left TWC, we left entirely - DirecTV for TV and AT&T DSL for internet. I'd love to see if U-Verse would give us a speed increase large enough to let us cut the cord entirely.
Edited by SVTarHeel - 8/11/13 at 12:21pm
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Speaking of U-Verse; not interested in the TV side of it, but how about the internet side of it? What equipment is required and who installs it and where?

I went to an AT&T store to ask about my cell. I left with a new bundle and now have U-Verse. I didn't do anything, they mailed me a modem. I just connected it to the phone line and they activate it on the day you ask. They had to come switch something on at my apartment complex but other than that I didn't have to do or pay anything!

I asked on here about it and the only reply I got said they had no complaints. The speeds are comparable and not fluctuating like TWC was. And no $6/month charge for their modem like TWC!

The rep at the store said that they expected 50 megs in Burlington by January and TV to be available here then, too. He also told me that ESPN3 and the watchESPN app would work with Directv TV and U-Verse Internet. It doesn't.
post #10812 of 11117
Did anyone catch the live newscast on TV8.2 Friday night? We then took that newscast and delay broadcast it on 8.1 when the game was over. That was a test run for the fall when Saturdays will be wall to wall sports on 8.1 and overflow to 8.2. I know WXII has been doing a live 30 min 10pm on their dot 2 for a while, but no one ever talks about it. It like it isn't even there so I was curious if anyone saw ours Friday night.
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

Did anyone catch the live newscast on TV8.2 Friday night? We then took that newscast and delay broadcast it on 8.1 when the game was over. That was a test run for the fall when Saturdays will be wall to wall sports on 8.1 and overflow to 8.2. I know WXII has been doing a live 30 min 10pm on their dot 2 for a while, but no one ever talks about it. It like it isn't even there so I was curious if anyone saw ours Friday night.

I heard Neil mention it... does that count?
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Also, why do announcers call it a dot 2? I have never seen a tuner that uses a dot - always a dash. Just curious... could just be me.
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Does U-Verse require that phone service be bundled with the TV and internet service in order to get a good deal?

I'm kind of old-fashioned when it comes to phone service. I like having landline phone service just in case of bad weather and a power outage.

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Also, why do announcers call it a dot 2? I have never seen a tuner that uses a dot - always a dash. Just curious... could just be me.
My tuner uses a dot.. 12.2 or 8.2...
post #10817 of 11117
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

Also, why do announcers call it a dot 2? I have never seen a tuner that uses a dot - always a dash. Just curious... could just be me.
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It might be interesting to find out how either ( .) or (-) came to be used for this purpose. Dot suggests a decimal 8.2 (eight and two tenths), the dash a range 8-2 (eight through two) . The more common way in English has been 8:2 ( eight, the second part).
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

Also, why do announcers call it a dot 2? I have never seen a tuner that uses a dot - always a dash. Just curious... could just be me.
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It might be interesting to find out how either ( .) or (-) came to be used for this purpose. Dot suggests a decimal 8.2 (eight and two tenths), the dash a range 8-2 (eight through two) . The more common way in English has been 8:2 ( eight, the second part).

My personal preference is "dash 2" since that was the way most tuners did it when digital started. Then they started putting a period in place of the dash on just about all of the remotes and people started calling it "dot 2" and it seems to have stuck.
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

Also, why do announcers call it a dot 2? I have never seen a tuner that uses a dot - always a dash. Just curious... could just be me.
\

It might be interesting to find out how either ( .) or (-) came to be used for this purpose. Dot suggests a decimal 8.2 (eight and two tenths)...

 

My, what a literalistic interpretation!

 

Tell me, when you read a baseball box score and it says that a pitcher pitched 8.2 innings, do you conclude that he got two tenths of an out in the ninth inning? Or maybe six tenths of an out (.2 times 3)?


Edited by veedon - 8/19/13 at 7:28pm
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My, what a literalistic interpretation!

Tell me, when you read a baseball box score and it says that a pitcher pitched 8.2 innings, do you conclude that he got two tenths of an out in the ninth inning? Or maybe six tenths of an out (.2 times 3)?
Actually, I wouldn't guess what it meant. I'd ask someone younger, who might know.
There might be a tendency for each generation to imagine the cooling of the earth was a rather recent event.
Now is now, then was then. Not much to know 'til now.
Some years ago, I was reading some literature that had the author extolling the superior resolution of CRT's over TV pictures.
I eventually realized the author believed CRT's were developed to display computer graphics, while he did not really care, or know, what produced a TV picture
I was sure, at the time,. that CRT's were the usual imaging device on both TV's and PC's.
.I've learned, I hope, to be very careful while reading anything written in the last few years.
post #10821 of 11117
Last year, there was some discussion here of installers for OTA antennas. Anybody here know anyone in the Triad who's doing that work these days?

Along the same lines, if I were to self-install my antenna, how exact does my aim need to be re: the Sophia/Sauratown groups? Specifically, I'm pretty much right in between them and was wondering how much off I could be and still reliably see them all. For any help it might be, here's a recently redone analysis: TVFool
Edited by SVTarHeel - 8/23/13 at 8:18pm
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Originally Posted by SVTarHeel View Post

Last year, there was some discussion here of installers for OTA antennas. Anybody here know anyone in the Triad who's doing that work these days?

Along the same lines, if I were to self-install my antenna, how exact does my aim need to be re: the Sophia/Sauratown groups? Specifically, I'm pretty much right in between them and was wondering how much off I could be and still reliably see them all. For any help it might be, here's a recently redone analysis: TVFool

My guess would be that if you were employing stacked bowties , you might be off a few degrees and be fine. Bowties with no reflector, of course. And, the bowties are about the only reasonable way to do it.
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My guess would be that if you were employing stacked bowties...

The antenna I have is a DB4. When I first started working on this plan, someone told me I should be fine by aiming at Sophia and getting Sauratown thru the back.
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Yeah, I would think that would work. If it doesn't work, try aiming it at the opposite site.

My antenna is pointed at the Garner (Raleigh) towers and I get the Sophia/Randleman/Greensboro/High Point channels just fine pointed no where near them, although WLXI flutters or goes away when it's humid. WGPX and even WGSR come through the back, too. WGPX shows around 90% on the LG meter from the back. I can't get Sauratown here. There's always a spot that you think "there's no way that will work" and it does. VHF is too picky and that's why I point it at WTVD because a real full-time HD ABC is too valuable to lose. As I am sure you are aware, VHF is not an issue where you are.

You could try pointing toward Charlotte and seeing what you get. Or even toward the east for WGPX. Depending on exactly how picky your antenna is, the S&S towers might be strong enough to allow that. It's always fun to play with it.
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

You could try pointing toward Charlotte and seeing what you get. Or even toward the east ... It's always fun to play with it.

With some things, I'd readily agree with you. With this, it going on a pole lashed to the chimney (that's why it's taking me so long to make this happen). Once it's in place, my strong preference is to ratchet it down to never move again :-)

One other thing I realize that I neglected to ask... when it comes to pointing it, do I need some sort of digital compass? Or just look at signal strengths on the TV and eyeball it?
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Originally Posted by SVTarHeel View Post

With some things, I'd readily agree with you. With this, it going on a pole lashed to the chimney (that's why it's taking me so long to make this happen). Once it's in place, my strong preference is to ratchet it down to never move again :-)

One other thing I realize that I neglected to ask... when it comes to pointing it, do I need some sort of digital compass? Or just look at signal strengths on the TV and eyeball it?

It would probably be best not to imagine a correct setting of the antenna as anything but what works. I'm using an antenna similar to what you are going to try with the mesh reflector still on. The reflector seems not to be an issue for me, but night be in another situation. . .I normally have it pointed at Charlotte, and pick the Triad stations off the back. That works. I also get the Charlotte and Triad stations if I point the antenna 90 degrees to the west at Hickory.. You might be surprise what can show up on a scan.
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I used the TV Fool coverage map and had it draw lines to the transmitters. I then zoomed in as far as it could go on the map and eye-balled it towards landmarks I could see. "Toward that tree, between those houses, parallel to the road" is as technical as I got.

Your TV Fool shows high dB levels which makes me think you won't need it to be perfect. Mine gets almost everything above 0 dB on my TVFool list most of the time and everything above 7dB clearly (except WXII/WUNL - can't move a hill! and my landlord frowns upon tall masts in the complex.)
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Originally Posted by ejb1980 View Post

Yeah, I would think that would work. If it doesn't work, try aiming it at the opposite site.

My antenna is pointed at the Garner (Raleigh) towers and I get the Sophia/Randleman/Greensboro/High Point channels just fine pointed no where near them, although WLXI flutters or goes away when it's humid. WGPX and even WGSR come through the back, too. WGPX shows around 90% on the LG meter from the back. I can't get Sauratown here. There's always a spot that you think "there's no way that will work" and it does. VHF is too picky and that's why I point it at WTVD because a real full-time HD ABC is too valuable to lose. As I am sure you are aware, VHF is not an issue where you are.

You could try pointing toward Charlotte and seeing what you get. Or even toward the east for WGPX. Depending on exactly how picky your antenna is, the S&S towers might be strong enough to allow that. It's always fun to play with it.
If I lived around Greensboro, depending upon location, I would also try to receive either Charlotte or Raleigh if possible. As both WSOC and WTVD are stronger ABC affiliates than what is offered from Sinclair in the Triad. Plus WBTV and WRAL are major affiliates, and apparently WFMY is not what I remember it used to be. So I would choose WGHP, WXII, and either some of the Charlotte or Raleigh channels that may be available OTA.
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Originally Posted by SVTarHeel View Post

One other thing I realize that I neglected to ask... when it comes to pointing it, do I need some sort of digital compass? Or just look at signal strengths on the TV and eyeball it?

That's exactly right - bring a cell, have someone down there spouting out the signal strengths on all the channels, and find the best. Even the compass readings can be off on tvfool due to reflections/obstructions it can't take into account. The channel scan is annoying, but once you have done it, it's set and forget. If I aim at Charlotte, I get all of Charlotte, most of GSO, and no WXII... I lived with that for a few years, then fox moved stations in Charlotte to my weakest pickup, so I went up there, turned the antenna 90 degrees and get all of GSO and WXII perfectly, with some Charlotte stations. You want the best so when it rains you still get perfect, so the general direction TV fool suggests is spot on.
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Originally Posted by krisbee View Post

That's exactly right - bring a cell, have someone down there spouting out the signal strengths on all the channels, and find the best. Even the compass readings can be off on tvfool due to reflections/obstructions it can't take into account. The channel scan is annoying, but once you have done it, it's set and forget. If I aim at Charlotte, I get all of Charlotte, most of GSO, and no WXII... I lived with that for a few years, then fox moved stations in Charlotte to my weakest pickup, so I went up there, turned the antenna 90 degrees and get all of GSO and WXII perfectly, with some Charlotte stations. You want the best so when it rains you still get perfect, so the general direction TV fool suggests is spot on.
You could add an A/B switch and a 91XG antenna to more reliably get Charlotte. WJZY FOX-46 is actually a full power 1000kw signal from a 2000ft tower and similar location to WBTV. But 46 uses a side mounted panel antenna, whereas WBTV is a top-mounted stick antenna that is more omnidirectional. There may be a bit of a null in the pattern for WJZY at your location. Also, Solid Signal has a generic version of the 91XG for $49, and MCM has a Stellar Labs triple boom yagi for $39. Some cheaper options. And you probably need a medium gain preamp. I get WJZY at 100% from 75 miles in GVL, SC.
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