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post #3121 of 11118
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

Really? Then I guess you know something the guy who is install it doesn't know because he told me last week, all of the gear is sitting at the station awaiting installation while he installs the high power transmitter.

I wasn't aware they were close to upgrading. That's good to hear! Does anyone know if there should be any obstacles to TWC providing their HD signal when it goes online?
post #3122 of 11118
I was told they wanted to have everything ready for the launch of TheCW, but the transmitter was late in arriving and the antenna was to be here end of last month but it too was delayed for different reasons and isn't scheduled to be here until the end of this month now and then it has to be installed, weather permitting. My own opinion is they will not be at full power until the end of October and they have to get the HD equipment installed at the studio. I know they are updating the microwave now so by the end of the month I would think the studio link to the transmitter would be in place and running just waiting for the high power transmitter to go on line and then install the HD studio equipment.

It takes a little time to install a UHF transmitter. In our own case, when we installed our new channel 8 transmitter, we had it on the air in 10 days. The channel 35 took over 3 weeks just to get it to the point we could turn the AC power on to it and then it had to be checked out which took about a week and so it took almost a month before we could say it was ready to put on the air.

I went by their transmitter site about 2 weeks ago and some of the same electricians who wired our transmitter were there wiring WCWG's transmitter. It was good to see those guys!

As far as if it will be available on cable, I have no idea, but my guess would be not in the beginning. I know that now is the time that retrans negotiations are going on so maybe after that is resolved, they may be available on cable, but that is just an uninformed opinion.
post #3123 of 11118
[quote=MilChad]1)3) Yes there are dedicated channels for HD 24/7 like HBO and Showtime. Not to mention ESPN 1 and 2, Universal HD, Discovery, HD Net, HD Net movies, and TNT.
If you see "broadcasted in HD where available" I guarantee you'll get it in HD as long as you can tune the channel. The only time I can think of that it might go out of HD is if there is a severe weather alert or something like that.
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Ok...I do not plan on having any OTA channels as I am not putting an antenna in. So, for example...Let's say I am watching channel "A" that is not a dedicated HD channel via D*TV and it's just a regular channel. However a show comes on and it says that it is also being broadcast in HD...Now remember there is no dedicated channel for this network...So, Do I get to see it in HD on this channel or not?
post #3124 of 11118
I want to take a minute to give props to WFMY for broadcasting Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy in HD. I wasn't home Monday to see if they were broadcasting shows in HD on Monday but yesterday I noticed that they were. I don't know if they had to do anything special to show them but I know that not all TV stations are doing it. For instance channel 7 in Roanoke wasn't showing the shows in HD so it must not be something done quite so easily.
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Originally Posted by MilChad View Post

1)3) Yes there are dedicated channels for HD 24/7 like HBO and Showtime. Not to mention ESPN 1 and 2, Universal HD, Discovery, HD Net, HD Net movies, and TNT.
If you see "broadcasted in HD where available" I guarantee you'll get it in HD as long as you can tune the channel. The only time I can think of that it might go out of HD is if there is a severe weather alert or something like that.
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Ok...I do not plan on having any OTA channels as I am not putting an antenna in. So, for example...Let's say I am watching channel "A" that is not a dedicated HD channel via D*TV and it's just a regular channel. However a show comes on and it says that it is also being broadcast in HD...Now remember there is no dedicated channel for this network...So, Do I get to see it in HD on this channel or not?

I get Fox out of New York channel 88 which is an HD channel. When I watch Fox out of NYC and there is SD content, I see gray bars at the left and right sides of my TV. When a show like 24 or the NFL is on, I see it in true HD 16X9 ratio. I'm pretty sure that is how the future local HD channels will be presented.
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[quote=MilChad]
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Originally Posted by itms1022 View Post


I get Fox out of New York channel 88 which is an HD channel. When I watch Fox out of NYC and there is SD content, I see gray bars at the left and right sides of my TV. When a show like 24 or the NFL is on, I see it in true HD 16X9 ratio. I'm pretty sure that is how the future local HD channels will be presented.


Ok...now flip that around...let's say you are watching a channel that is normally only SD content...How will we see something on that channel that is broadcast in HD? Do we need to tune to another channel?
post #3127 of 11118
[quote=itms1022]
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Originally Posted by MilChad View Post



Ok...now flip that around...let's say you are watching a channel that is normally only SD content...How will we see something on that channel that is broadcast in HD? Do we need to tune to another channel?

Please allow me to jump in and completely confuse everyone!

Stations, OTA or cable do not change resolution. If a channel is listed as a HD channel it will always be transmitting a HD signal, whether a program is in SD or HD, same as a SD channel will only transmit a SD signal, whether a program is SD or HD.

If a program is listed as being in HD, you must watch it on the HD channel for the full HD resolution. It will also be shown on a companion SD channel, if there is one, and if could be shown in one of two ways. One could be in "letterbox" (bars at the top and bottom of a 4:3 screen) as the original aspect ratio and more and more shows are beginning to be shown like this like the new MyNetworkTV network on SD or it could be in "center cut" where the center of the 16:9 picture is "cut out" and it fills the screen of a standard 4:3 TV and you only see that center portion of the picture and you do not see the outer edges of the 16:9 picture. The resolution will be downconvtered from HD to SD for those channels.

If you are watching a HD channel and they transmit a SD program, the resolution will be SD upconverted to HD, but it will not have the same "look" of HD since it doesn't have the correct number of lines to start with. (480 SD vs 720 or 1080 HD) What they do is reuse the same lines to fill in what isn't there. On a 16:9 HD set, you will see "side curtains" or black or gray bars outside of the 4:3 area to fill up the 16:9 screen. SD on a HD set being sent in upconverted mode does look better than a standard SD analog signal.

Now to complicate things a little, you can have a program that is transmitted on a HD channel that is not HD, but is SD but is 16:9. FOX is about the only network that will use that format for shows to fill out the screen that are not HD such as Cops and FOX News Sunday. And weekly MLB games on FOX are shown in this SD 16:9 format along with the rare 7th NFL football game on a Sunday. FOX does show the All Star Game, LCS games and World Series in HD though along with NASCAR in full HD.

Sometimes you need a score card to keep up with the players!

I really need to create some 4:3 and 16:9 pictures to post when people ask this question. It seems to help them.
post #3128 of 11118
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Originally Posted by foxeng View Post

Please allow me to jump in and completely confuse everyone!

Stations, OTA or cable do not change resolution. If a channel is listed as a HD channel it will always be transmitting a HD signal, whether a program is in SD or HD, same as a SD channel will only transmit a SD signal, whether a program is SD or HD.

If a program is listed as being in HD, you must watch it on the HD channel for the full HD resolution. It will also be shown on a companion SD channel, if there is one


NOT confusing at all, in fact quite helpful. Other than the channels listed in the D*TV HD Package and the local channels they will offer next month in this area. Are there any other "companion" HD channels available?
post #3129 of 11118
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Originally Posted by itms1022 View Post

Other than the channels listed in the D*TV HD Package and the local channels they will offer next month in this area. Are there any other "companion" HD channels available?

Nope. Not on D*.
post #3130 of 11118
I know I'm about the only TWC person on this thread, and probably the only one who's been anxiously awaiting the new High Def TiVo for 4 years, but in case anyone's interested:

TWC is telling me that they plan to put ALL of their channels on a switched digital system. This would effectively render all cable cards (version 1) completely useless. So if you had a TV using cable card or a HiDef TiVo using cable card, you wouldn't even be able to tune any of the channels, much less record them.

Of course Cable Card 2.0 would solve this problem, but that may be a year or more away. I've written an email to every TWC executive locally and nationally that I can find an email address for. I'm sure it will be futile and I'll either have to suck it up with the SA8300 or switch to Dish, but I gave it a college try. Just FYI if anyone's interested.
post #3131 of 11118
So what stations actually broadcast in HD and have alternate channels or dedicated channels for their reception and via which provider are they available.

For example:
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|Channel Name | Dedicated | Alternate Available | Providers
|______________________________________________
| ABC No Yes All but TWC
| NBC No Yes All
| ESPHD Yes NA Not sure

Ok I have no idea if the info in the example is accurate or whether anyone will understand what I am asking for...But hopefully someone will understand.

LOL
post #3132 of 11118
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Originally Posted by jacksonian View Post

I know I'm about the only TWC person on this thread, and probably the only one who's been anxiously awaiting the new High Def TiVo for 4 years, but in case anyone's interested:

TWC is telling me that they plan to put ALL of their channels on a switched digital system. This would effectively render all cable cards (version 1) completely useless. So if you had a TV using cable card or a HiDef TiVo using cable card, you wouldn't even be able to tune any of the channels, much less record them.

Of course Cable Card 2.0 would solve this problem, but that may be a year or more away. I've written an email to every TWC executive locally and nationally that I can find an email address for. I'm sure it will be futile and I'll either have to suck it up with the SA8300 or switch to Dish, but I gave it a college try. Just FYI if anyone's interested.

I am also TWC, jacksonian - you are not alone! Thanks for the heads up on the cable card.
post #3133 of 11118
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Originally Posted by jacksonian View Post

I know I'm about the only TWC person on this thread, and probably the only one who's been anxiously awaiting the new High Def TiVo for 4 years, but in case anyone's interested:

TWC is telling me that they plan to put ALL of their channels on a switched digital system. This would effectively render all cable cards (version 1) completely useless. So if you had a TV using cable card or a HiDef TiVo using cable card, you wouldn't even be able to tune any of the channels, much less record them.

Of course Cable Card 2.0 would solve this problem, but that may be a year or more away. I've written an email to every TWC executive locally and nationally that I can find an email address for. I'm sure it will be futile and I'll either have to suck it up with the SA8300 or switch to Dish, but I gave it a college try. Just FYI if anyone's interested.

There are plenty of TWC customers on here, we just happened to be talking about D* since they are coming out with some new stuff right now. Speaking of new stuff, does anybody know if the new TiVo series 3 will work with TWC? Just curious.
post #3134 of 11118
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Originally Posted by itms1022 View Post

So what stations actually broadcast in HD and have alternate channels or dedicated channels for their reception and via which provider are they available.

For example:
_______________________________________________
|Channel Name | Dedicated | Alternate Available | Providers
|______________________________________________
| ABC No Yes All but TWC
| NBC No Yes All
| ESPHD Yes NA Not sure

Ok I have no idea if the info in the example is accurate or whether anyone will understand what I am asking for...But hopefully someone will understand.

LOL


You didn't specify if you meant locally or nationally. I will try and list as many as I can remember.

Locally every OTA station has an analog and digital channel up 24/7 and all program at least primetime and sports in HD except WGPX, WLXI and WCWG (ex WTWB) which will start programming some HD after they increase to full power and install the HD equipment in the studio. Nothing has been announced if WLXI or WGPX will ever program any HD.

As far as cable channels, The NBCU cable channels, SciFi, USA, Bravo pool their HD programming on Universal HD. The Discovery Channel family of channels like all of the different Discovery Channels, the Science Channel and A&E share their HD programming on Discovery HD Theatre. This is how those channels are able to be HD 24/7.

TNT has a HD channel, HGTV and Food Network has come out with an HD chsnnel. National Geographic Channel has a HD channel. MTV has a separately programmed 24/7 HD channel called MHD. Outdoor Channel and Outdoor Channel 2 both have HD channels. ESPN and ESPN 2 have separate HD channels as well. HBO, Cinemax, Showtime, The Movie Channel and Encore has HD channels as well.

This list is not complete and no one provider, cable or sat carries anywhere near the total amount that is available, but you can go to this link and see a more complete list for cable. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post1297963

Just remember, at this point, it isn't the amount of HD a provider carries, but the quality they carry in content as well as PQ. Everyone is in a bandwidth crunch right now and so no one can carry all that is available, but that is changing fairly fast. D* is in the middle of launching new sats that are dedicated to HD only and will have that completed within the next 12 to 18 months. When complete, they will have enough bandwidth to offer 1500 local HD stations (there is only about 1800 total stations in the US and it is a given not all will go HD) and 150 national HD channels. As SD subs change over to HD, over the next several years, those channels that offer HD and SD channels, the SDs will go away and that will open even more bandwidth so it is a win-win for everyone.

Dish hasn't announced any such major plans. They seem to be playing a "follow the leader" mentality. Whatever D* does, they do but they don't have the bandwidth to keep up.

Cable is undergoing many changes and switched is only one for more bandwidth and it too is bringing problems.

Nothing is fool proof yet, but if you understand that going in, HD is a wonderous experience!
post #3135 of 11118
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Originally Posted by MilChad View Post

There are plenty of TWC customers on here, we just happened to be talking about D* since they are coming out with some new stuff right now. Speaking of new stuff, does anybody know if the new TiVo series 3 will work with TWC? Just curious.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The TiVo S3 relies on cablecard. With TWC going to this SDV, cablecard devices like the TiVo S3 won't even be able to tune any channels on the SDV, much less record them. It will essentially render any device relying on cablecard non-functional.
post #3136 of 11118
Will TWC customers EVER see these HD channels?

"Thank you for contacting Time Warner Cable's Customer Care email department. We cannot anticipate when or if ESPN2-HD or ABC-HD will be added to our lineup. Time Warner is willing to accept an equitable alliance with each of these networks. However, it cannot accept just any terms. It must be an arrangement that is viable for Time Warner and its customers. Time Warner will continue to try and obtain these networks."

Might be a good enough reason to switch back to D*TV soon.
post #3137 of 11118
If TWC had a cable box with a built-in OTA tuner, the ABC HD issue wouldn't be that big of a deal. As far as I know, they don't offer one, and not everybody has a TV with a built in HD tuner. DirecTV's new HR20 has a built in OTA tuner but appareltly (correct me if I'm wrong) it can't be used with a diplexer which could bring about install problems. I'm looking to have 3 RG6 lines feed the HR20. Two from the dish and one from my antenna.
post #3138 of 11118
To me, the ESPN2-HD is a bigger issue, I can get ABC-HD off rabbit ears(just no DVR).
post #3139 of 11118
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Originally Posted by uncrules View Post

I want to take a minute to give props to WFMY for broadcasting Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy in HD. I wasn't home Monday to see if they were broadcasting shows in HD on Monday but yesterday I noticed that they were. I don't know if they had to do anything special to show them but I know that not all TV stations are doing it. For instance channel 7 in Roanoke wasn't showing the shows in HD so it must not be something done quite so easily.

You are correct about the process not being easy. Rather complicatd both on the Viacomm and WFMY end. And if anything is fouled up on either end we get to start the recording over. The HD recorder only cost about 75 Grand so we only have one. Give credit to our master control operator for starting two tape machines at the same time, and running breaks while keeping things synchronized. We are learning from this experience, and consistency will improve with time. Thanks. Rickey.
post #3140 of 11118
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Originally Posted by MilChad View Post

DirecTV's new HR20 has a built in OTA tuner but appareltly (correct me if I'm wrong) it can't be used with a diplexer which could bring about install problems. I'm looking to have 3 RG6 lines feed the HR20. Two from the dish and one from my antenna.

The problem here isn't with the receiver itself. It is the frequencies the new satellites are on. Here's a thread from dbstalk that talks about this.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.ph...=diplexer+5lnb

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Good old MPEG2 satellites are using 950-1450MHz. Satellites at 103 are using/will use 1650-2150MHz. Satellites at 99 will use 250-750MHz which overlaps the UHF band. Right now, Spaceway 1 is at 103 and Spaceway 2 is at 99. DirecTV 10 will be at 99 and DirecTV11 will be at 103. DirecTV 9S is scheduled to go up in July at 101 so there looks to be MPEG 4 programming inside 950-1450MHz before too long. If you diplex, you won't get programming from Spaceway 2 or DirecTV 10 when they start up.

Here's a thread from somebody who feels that they have a solution. I'd be curious to hear what foxeng thinks about this and if it is a good idea or not.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.ph...light=diplexer
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Ok...I bought a 15' HDMI cable today for the projector got it pulled through the ceiling attached to the projector, and ready for the HR20 to only realize that I had purchased a 25' cable sometime last year that was sitting on the side. Oh well, looks like I have an extra cable.

The D*TV installer should be here tomorrow between 12 and 5, hopefully he shows like he is supposed to and everything goes smoothly for my entry into the HD world.

Needlesss to say, I am excited!!!!
post #3142 of 11118
Hey Foxeng. The rumor over on the Charlotte board is that Sunday's Panthers game won't be in HD. I know it's out of your control, but what gives?
post #3143 of 11118
I have been under the weather today so I haven't been at work so I have no idea. They usually don't say why they do or don't do something, just this is the way it is. I suspect this was decided before the season started so it may have something to do with availablity of or location of equipment. Just a guess.
post #3144 of 11118
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Originally Posted by MR12 View Post

Hey Foxeng. The rumor over on the Charlotte board is that Sunday's Panthers game won't be in HD. I know it's out of your control, but what gives?

Apparently the NFL can't have but so many games in HD at one given time on any given Sunday. If the Panthers game is in SD, we're the ones missing out this week. Here's a quote from the NFL on Fox:

FOX Sports' 2006 NFL broadcast schedule once again boasts an unmatched offering of high-definition programming. Starting with three preseason broadcasts in August, six games each week during the regular season and complete coverage throughout the NFL postseason for the third straight year, FOX Sports presents 104 games in 720p high-definition this season, representing 90 percent of all games covered. FOX Sports remains the only NFL broadcaster to produce as many as six NFL regular season games in HD each Sunday.
post #3145 of 11118
According to this site http://www.gribblenation.net/ , all games will be in HD Sunday, except GB


post #3146 of 11118
Well that changed fast! Now it says all games but Carolina...
post #3147 of 11118
Ok...here goes...Let me first preface this post with "I swear this really did happen and is happening as I type"

The D*TV guy is here right this second, but the thing is, He is the second technician because the first one quit, that's right, he quit, right in the middle of my installation. He was really ticked off at his boss because D*TV was back charging him $300 for some previous installation. Anyway, during my installation, the projector was not picking up a signal and he did not know what to do, so I was calling tech support because he didn't know what he was doing. He tells me while I am on the phone that he was going to get a phone number for tech support from the van, so I was like, ok. Well he never came back, he just up and left. I called the local sub-contractor and they said they were investigating and would call me back with their plan. Well it turns out they called me back in about 10 minutes and said they were sending someone out right away.

The second guy shows up and looks at the setup and straight away says "no wonder it's not working, the technician did not put on the filters"...He puts on the filters and nothing, that's right nothing. The receiver was DOB (that apparently is D*TV lingo for Dead out of Box.

Anyhow, luckily the second technician has a second one in his van and brings it in. Fires it up and were in business. He is on the phone right this second as I type getting it activated, but there is a software update going on so we are waiting.

I spoke to D*TV retention while waiting for the second technician and explained to them what happened and that I lost my entire day. Anyway, the credited me another $133.

So here is what this whole thing cost me: $16 plus tax and I get the HR20, New Dish, Installation, 12 months of $10 off my bill, 4 months of HD for free, 3 months of Showtime...All and All I think it's more than fair...

Well let me go the update is at 85% and I can't wait for this thing to activate...

Will post feedback of the HR20 and HD later tonight or tomorrow.

Have a good weekend.
post #3148 of 11118
We got confirmation yesterday that the Panthers game will not be in HD. I have no information why. It will be in SD widscreen.
post #3149 of 11118
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Originally Posted by MilChad View Post

Apparently the NFL can't have but so many games in HD at one given time on any given Sunday.

That is not the reason. FOX only has capacity for 6 HD games. About 3 or 4 weeks a year, FOX has 7 games scheduled. Someone has to be in SD. Last week was a 7 game week like this week is and it was SF vs AZ who was in SD last week. Since you don't just set these trucks up in a day, there has to be scheduling to get the correct trucks in the right places. Like I said in an earlier post, I suspect this was planned from the beginning due to the 6 HD game technical limit of FOX. Remember CBS only does 3 HD games a week no matter how many games they show and CBS has the double header this week.

Even when the Panthers are playing well, not many other markets pick up the Panthers game. With MINN in the dumper, and the Panthers still not a marque name team yet, we get the bad end of the stick sometimes. In FOX's defense, they do try and spread the suffering around when they can. Like I said, whatever the reason is, I suspect this decision was made months ago.

As an example, here is the CAR/DAL game from Dec 24 last year. Other than the areas that are DAL areas no other market took this game. Even though the Panthers looked strong then but there was doubt if they would make it in the playoffs. As a must watch team, we aren't there yet.

post #3150 of 11118
Another too common occurence with ABC-45. A game (Miami vs. Louisville) that is supposed to be in HD isn't being broadcast in HD. Other markets are showing the game in HD.
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