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post #61 of 218
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Originally Posted by retiredengineer View Post

I was looking at the TVFool report which doesn't show WLS on RF44. Yes there would be potential interference with WCPX and WSNS.

You have to check under "pending" on TVfool, even though it has existed for a while now. It does exist, I've seen it for myself.
post #62 of 218
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Originally Posted by BCF68 View Post

You have to check under "pending" on TVfool, even though it has existed for a while now. It does exist, I've seen it for myself.

Thanks for the tip. Yes, I do see it under 'pending'. And viewer's tips are also what keeps us up-to-date.
post #63 of 218
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Almost got the combination of channels. Just one slightly unrelated question. Is it safe to have this antenna outdoors in late fall and winter?
post #64 of 218
I would guess an "indoor" antenna would not last long outdoors.
post #65 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

Almost got the combination of channels. Just one slightly unrelated question. Is it safe to have this antenna outdoors in late fall and winter?

Probably not since moisture can ruin the antenna. Since you know you can receive the signals you want, why don't you just replace it with an outdoor antenna such as the Winegard HD-1080 or something similiar.
post #66 of 218
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Originally Posted by retiredengineer View Post

Probably not since moisture can ruin the antenna. Since you know you can receive the signals you want, why don't you just replace it with an outdoor antenna such as the Winegard HD-1080 or something similiar.

I would need one that doesn't need to be mounted on the roof tho since I live in an apartment/duplex
post #67 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

I would need one that doesn't need to be mounted on the roof tho since I live in an apartment/duplex

Make sure you read up on your rights first: http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-r...n-devices-rule

It doesn't necessarily need to be mounted on the roof. You can have it on a south-facing balcony (best bet) or other location.
post #68 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

I would need one that doesn't need to be mounted on the roof tho since I live in an apartment/duplex

The HD-1080 is small enough that you could just sit it in the same chair. It's 35" wide x 18.5" high and about 7" deep.
post #69 of 218
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Originally Posted by retiredengineer View Post

The HD-1080 is small enough that you could just sit it in the same chair. It's 35" wide x 18.5" high and about 7" deep.

ahh sweet ,I guess I'll place an order for it then and send the HDTVi back or sell it to someone on here (PM me if interested anyone), otherwise there will be 2 antennas I wasted money on.
post #70 of 218
Thread Starter 
Starting to see poor reception once again on WLS, WSNS and WGBO and no reception at all on WCPX with the terk. Yet I get perfect reception on the other stations I mentioned even WCGV for some reason, ever since someone knocked it into the chair I haven't been able to properly realign it. To make matters worse the doofus that sent me the Wingard HD1080 stupidly left out the final screw needed to assemble the antenna so now I have to deal with this issue for one more night.
post #71 of 218
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Replaced the missing part of the winegard and it didn't pick up as much channels as the terk is. The transformer that connects the RF cable could be damaged as well.
post #72 of 218
In this thread,you say the balun ("transformer") may be damaged. In the new thread you just started, you say it is damaged. Why do you think it may be/is damaged?

And it is not necessary to keep starting new threads. That only annoys people and lessens the chance you'll get any help at all.
post #73 of 218
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That other thread pertains to the winegard. This thread pertains to getting reception at all. No one was responding to this do I had to do something
post #74 of 218
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Originally Posted by arxaw View Post

In this thread,you say the balun ("transformer") may be damaged. In the new thread you just started, you say it is damaged. Why do you think it may be/is damaged?

And it is not necessary to keep starting new threads. That only annoys people and lessens the chance you'll get any help at all.

the wire looks kind of frayed and the u clip on one side is bent up and slightly chipped.
post #75 of 218
If you suspect the balun is defective, replace it.
post #76 of 218
Thread Starter 
Balun replaced and still no luck,so its going back. Is there any other antenna that is that small that can maybe be mounted in the yard like a flagpole or something? Right now the terk HDTVi is out there in the chair and works like a champ most of the time but it may not survive the weather.

I really do not know why it is so hard for me to maintain good reception on both of the channels I watch simultaneously without constant readjustments. The TV Fool report indicates that just a set top antenna should be all I need but that's far from the truth.
post #77 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

...I really do not know why it is so hard for me to maintain good reception on both of the channels I watch simultaneously without constant readjustments. The TV Fool report indicates that just a set top antenna should be all I need but that's far from the truth.

There is no way that TVFool can take into account all the variables that affect reception at any specific location. From their FAQ:
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"Please understand that this is a simulation and can only be treated as a rough approximation. Reception at your location is affected by many factors such as multipath, antenna gain, receiver sensitivity, buildings, and trees - which are not taken into account. Your mileage may vary."
post #78 of 218
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by arxaw View Post

There is no way that TVFool can take into account all the variables that affect reception at any specific location. From their FAQ:

then it's not that good of a site, I know antenna web asks questions if anything is in the way or not and in my case there is (almost totally surrounded by trees with a house next door.) that site also gives me a similar list.

I just placed an order for this antenna, hopefully it will solve my reception problems on WSNS,WGBO,WCPX, and WBBM (cannot get in all 4 of these reliably at the same time )once and for all.

http://www.amazon.com/Remote-Control...RNQB66FEBHVNEG
post #79 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

then it's not that good of a site..

TV Fool has been found to be the best available, after years of users here trying other options.
post #80 of 218
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

TV Fool has been found to be the best available, after years of users here trying other options.

if it was the best then I would've been set with the basic set top RS antenna that I bought like 3 weeks ago I think now. I still CANNOT get any combination of the top 4 stations that I watch simultaneously (WSNS,WGBO,WBBM,WCPX). I've so far tried an RCA ANT1450B, the basic radio shack set top,the terk hdtvi, and the winegard hd1080 indoors and outdoors except for the RCA. So far NONE of them have consistently given me all 4 or any combination of those 4 stations simultaneously. I got another antenna on the way hopefully it will work.
post #81 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

if it was the best then I would've been set with the basic set top RS antenna that I bought like 3 weeks ago I think now. I still CANNOT get any combination of the top 4 stations that I watch simultaneously (WSNS,WGBO,WBBM,WCPX). I've so far tried an RCA ANT1450B, the basic radio shack set top,the terk hdtvi, and the winegard hd1080 indoors and outdoors except for the RCA. So far NONE of them have consistently given me all 4 or any combination of those 4 stations simultaneously.

You don't understand.

Digital TV reception is as much as art as science. Moving an antenna an inch can sometimes make the difference between getting a station and not.

None of web sites that advise antenna selection are perfect. TV Fool is typically the best. In all cases it's a matter of trial and error to find an antenna that works in any given location.
post #82 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

I just placed an order for this antenna, hopefully it will solve my reception problems on WSNS,WGBO,WCPX, and WBBM (cannot get in all 4 of these reliably at the same time )once and for all.

http://www.amazon.com/Remote-Control...RNQB66FEBHVNEG

Are you going to use this indoors or outdoors?
post #83 of 218
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

You don't understand.

Digital TV reception is as much as art as science. Moving an antenna an inch can sometimes make the difference between getting a station and not.

None of web sites that advise antenna selection are perfect. TV Fool is typically the best. In all cases it's a matter of trial and error to find an antenna that works in any given location.

Point is with my location and address it said that all I needed to get those stations mentioned was a set top antenna, tried that and had luck with every station besides those 4, especially when it comes to getting them at the same time.
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Originally Posted by Ken H View Post

Are you going to use this indoors or outdoors?

outdoors.
post #84 of 218
From another thread:
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

...sometimes my cellphone will just randomly drop its 3G signal, hell I don't even think I get any good FM radio stations where I am.

Things that make you go Hm-m-m.
post #85 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

Point is with my location and address it said that all I needed to get those stations mentioned was a set top antenna, tried that and had luck with every station besides those 4, especially when it comes to getting them at the same time.


outdoors.

Ok. Bottom line on antennas:

Outdoors is better than indoors
Larger is better than smaller
Higher is (generally) better than lower

So if your are committed to getting an outdoor antenna, I'd be looking for one that was a large for the money as I could get, that was recommended by other members based on their experience. How much room do you have on the balcony?

What would others recommend in this situation?
post #86 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341 View Post

Point is with my location and address it said that all I needed to get those stations mentioned was a set top antenna, tried that and had luck with every station besides those 4, especially when it comes to getting them at the same time.

How many locations inside did you actually try? As you say even an outisde antenna doens't work well. I say there is something in your cabling that is an issue.

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Frequency: (VHF)40-260MHz VHF Gain: 25±3dB
Frequency: (UHF)470-860MHz UHF Gain: 30±3dB
Reception Range:125 miles

A) This is BS. They are obviously counting the gain from the amp which is not how things work. Amps don't give antennas more gain they just reduce loss of signal. Changing your filters and keeping your tires properly inflated can give you better gas mileage they won't increase the size of you gas tank. The range is also BS.

B) I'm dubious of any company that uses BS to promote a product. Also any company that is selling a product for $29 when it was $120 should tell you a lot. Also this isn't actually being sold by Amazon. Amazon is only fulfilling the order.

Sold by Shopping Cloud and Fulfilled by Amazon. Which means any issues you have you have to deal with Shopping Cloud not Amazon.
post #87 of 218
I once had nearly all of the analog TV reception distributed at a 400 site campground that was distributed on cable channels 2-26 turn to crap. Fortunately, I have a spectrum analyzer and found that the transmitting tower on adjacent property was transmitting a powerful signal at 363 MHz and it was leaking into my amplifier inputs and overloading them. I was able to mitigate the effects that ingress of that signal was having on my amplifiers by installing half a dozen, off-the-shelf cable TV lowpass cylindrical "tier traps" on those amplifier's inputs. Fortunately, a couple years later, that signal went away. If the property had a larger channel lineup and if I had to use channels above 363 MHz, I would have to have paid someone a few hundred bucks to make a custom notch to clear out that channel, and then hope that another offending transmission at another frequency would not start up.

If any of their guests tried using an amplified antenna during that interval to get local broadcast HDTV from the antenna their camper came outfitted with, as they surely had, they would have had terrible results and never had any idea why.
post #88 of 218
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Originally Posted by eric12341
...sometimes my cellphone will just randomly drop its 3G signal, hell I don't even think I get any good FM radio stations where I am.

If you're getting dropped cell service and poor FM radio reception, you should not be at all surprised that you cannot get a TV station reliably at your location. Just because TVFool shows a station in a list of stations you may possibly receive, doesn't mean you will be able to.

There's probably tons of RF interference where you are. TVFool doesn't take that into account, because it has no way of knowing what interference is present at any given spot. Had you read the TVFool FAQ, you would know that there are many factors that come into play that sometimes make their predictive maps less than accurate. They even say, "Your Mileage May Vary."

Good luck with your shopping cloud antenna. I've heard those actually work sometimes.... until the plastic breaks and the antenna won't stay where it's aimed.
post #89 of 218
Just a guess....
Surrounded by pine trees or a lot of tall apartment buildings?
post #90 of 218
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Originally Posted by Ratman View Post

Just a guess....
Surrounded by pine trees or a lot of tall apartment buildings?

Maybe he should take a picture of his yard in the direction of the towers. I still say he shuld hook the antenna to ONE tv first to eliminate any possibility it could be his cabling.
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