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post #1 of 28
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I hope this is the correct forum for this question. If not, I apologize. I am adding a new 3D tv(Sammy PN59D7000) to my current setup. I currently have my equipment in a closet connected to my tv via cat6 and these monoprice hdmi to cat6 wall plates PID: 8009(sorry not enough posts to add link). When I add my 3D bluray player to the equipment closet and new tv to this setup, will I be able to display 3D content using these wall plates? I am not finding any definitive information.

If not, is there equipment available to send the 3D signal over cat 6? what would you recommend?

Thanks in advance. If I left out any needed information, I will be happy to provide it.
post #2 of 28
Can you now send and view 1080p 60Hz over your setup? If so then it will pass 3D.
post #3 of 28
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Can you now send and view 1080p 60Hz over your setup? If so then it will pass 3D.

Thanks for the response. My current display only supports 720p so I can't answer that yet. The specs say it does support 1080p but do not mention 3d. Are you saying that as long as they will pass 1080p, they should pass 3d? I hope that is the case!
post #4 of 28
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Originally Posted by MWRecords View Post

...Are you saying that as long as they will pass 1080p, they should pass 3d? I hope that is the case!

It must be able to pass 1080p @60Hz not just 1080p @24Hz. If your cables will pass 1080p 60Hz they will pass 1080 3D since it is about 20% less bandwidth.

Now this is just about your cables. Any equipment (like a receiver) in the loop will need to be HDMI 1.4 compliant too.
post #5 of 28
Hey guys, I'm hoping someone can help me out. I watched the polar express and a Christmas Carol recently (along with a couple others) and noticed a good amount of ghosting throughout both movies. I know polar express is known for some ghosting but it seemed a bit excessive.

Anyways, I just got a new 3D ready pioneer receiver a couple weeks ago so I have my blu ray player running through that now (I have the Samsung 7900 player with 2 hdmi connections. Before I was running the audio to the old receiver and the video directly to my tv, both via hdmi). I guess my question is, could I be noticing more ghosting now because my blu ray player isn't feeding the video directly into my tv? Could running my player through the receiver first actually cause my display to create more ghosting? Thanks
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by markmathers View Post

... I guess my question is, could I be noticing more ghosting now because my blu ray player isn't feeding the video directly into my tv? Could running my player through the receiver first actually cause my display to create more ghosting? Thanks

No.
post #7 of 28
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Originally Posted by William View Post


It must be able to pass 1080p @60Hz not just 1080p @24Hz. If your cables will pass 1080p 60Hz they will pass 1080 3D since it is about 20% less bandwidth.

Now this is just about your cables. Any equipment (like a receiver) in the loop will need to be HDMI 1.4 compliant too.

Ok thanks. So assuming everything before and after the hdmi>cat 5 wall plates is 1.4 compliant, what product would you recommend to replace the wall plates that is 1.4 compliant? Basically, is there an hdmi to cat5 converter that does support 1080p @ 60hz and 3D?
post #8 of 28
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Originally Posted by William View Post


No.

Good. All I needed to hear. Thanks William!
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by MWRecords View Post

Ok thanks. So assuming everything before and after the hdmi>cat 5 wall plates is 1.4 compliant, what product would you recommend to replace the wall plates that is 1.4 compliant? Basically, is there an hdmi to cat5 converter that does support 1080p @ 60hz and 3D?

You may want to email Monoprice and see if they are going to offer a 1.4 version. The 8009's have the bandwidth but the HDMI chips most likely don't support 3D, but not sure.
post #10 of 28
An HDMI 1.3 chipset should not be able to understand the EDID information for frame packing, which is the method of 3D used on 3D BluRay titles. HDMI 1.4 has the required chipset software to understand multiple 3D formats and automatically detect and negotiate with the display which format of 3D is being used, and switch to that processing mode accordingly. The HDMI 1.3 chipsets that usually pass 3D is broadcost format 3D that is transmitted in a single frame, and even then, you have to manually set the display to the correct 3D mode ( side by side/ over under ) to view the content once it is playing.

An HDMI 1.4 extended should have no problems, you could get lucky with the 1.3 extender, but technically it shouldn't work.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by William View Post

No.

No as long as you make sure the avr is not doing any additional video processing. They ususally have settings for this.

I have seen AVR's on default video setting cause ghosting. Often they are scalling.
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by JOHNnDENVER View Post


No as long as you make sure the avr is not doing any additional video processing. They ususally have settings for this.

I have seen AVR's on default video setting cause ghosting. Often they are scalling.

Ok. So what video setting should the receiver be set at? To my knowledge I have not messed with the video settings. My receiver is the pioneer vsx 50. Thank you!
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by markmathers View Post

Ok. So what video setting should the receiver be set at? To my knowledge I have not messed with the video settings. My receiver is the pioneer vsx 50. Thank you!

Some receivers have adjustments for things color, hue, contrast and black level (brightness). There is also an upscaling circuit that can be used for SD sources but it doesn't apply to 3D since it is 1080 already. If yours have them they would be in the menu somewhere. They would be off (flat) by default. You can also set your scaler to passthrough and let your TV do any SD scaling.
post #14 of 28
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Originally Posted by JOHNnDENVER View Post

No as long as you make sure the avr is not doing any additional video processing. They ususally have settings for this.

I have seen AVR's on default video setting cause ghosting. Often they are scalling.

Thanks for that info. I am not finding any actual "video settings" on my receiver settings but there is an option called "HDMI" setup in which there are 5 options:

-Control
-Control Mode
-Display Power Off
-Standby Through
-TV Audio

The "control" option is either "on" or "off" right now it is turned on. The description of what the "control" option does is: "Sets the Control with HDMI" should I turn that off? Would that bypass the receiver and let the TV do the work?
The second option, "Control Mode" gives you the option to choose "all" or "PQLS" is says to normally choose "all" and to choose PQLS when only using the PQLS function. I will have to read up on what PQLS means cuz this doesn't mean anything to me now.

Anyways these settings were the only ones I could find in the receiver's menu that may potentially adjust some picture performance. Thanks for any feedback!
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by I Superman I View Post

An HDMI 1.3 chipset should not be able to understand the EDID information for frame packing, which is the method of 3D used on 3D BluRay titles. HDMI 1.4 has the required chipset software to understand multiple 3D formats and automatically detect and negotiate with the display which format of 3D is being used, and switch to that processing mode accordingly. The HDMI 1.3 chipsets that usually pass 3D is broadcost format 3D that is transmitted in a single frame, and even then, you have to manually set the display to the correct 3D mode ( side by side/ over under ) to view the content once it is playing.

An HDMI 1.4 extended should have no problems, you could get lucky with the 1.3 extender, but technically it shouldn't work.

Ok, here is my current setup: I have 3 source devices(Directv HR24-200, Xbox 360 and an Acer Aspire Revo running XBMC) all connected via Monoprice High Speed HDMI cables(PID: 3871) to a Monoprice 4x1 hdmi switcher supporting 3D(PID: 5557). From there another high speed hdmi cable to the Monoprice Hdmi/Cat6 wall plate(PID: 8006) with 2 ~55 ft Cat6 cables ran to the display at the front of the room. I am only concerned with the video signal over cat6. I have audio sent to a Sony STRDA3ES via optical from the monoprice switch. I am currently getting 1080 @ 24hz with this set up. I have a Samsung BD-D5500 Bluray player ordered from Amazon. With this setup, Are there any bottlenecks that will prohibit me from watching 3D? If there are, is there any recommendation on replacements for those components?

Let me know if I left anything out or if more info is needed.

Thanks in advance,
MWRecords
post #16 of 28
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Originally Posted by MWRecords View Post

...Monoprice Hdmi/Cat6 wall plate(PID: 8006)...

The wall plates have HDMI 1.3 chips so they won't pass 3D to the ethernet cables. Monoprice (or anyone else it seems) is yet to make a HDMI 1.4 to ethernet wall plate.

Don't know much about it but Iogear is making a wireless HDMI 1.4 system.
post #17 of 28
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Hi William,

Thanks again for your response. Is there an anything that I can replace the wall plates with that might work? I don't need the wall plate design, anything that will convert hdmi to cat6 and support 3D will work for my setup because it is hidden in a closet and behind the TV.

On a side note, I received mt Samsung BD_D5500 yesterday and hooked it up to my current setup: through the HDMI>monoprice switch>HDMI>wall plate>cat6>wall plate>HDMI>TV. The TV does not seem to recognize the signal at all(no menu or anything), it just flashes "no source device connected" and "resolution not supported" on the screen and BDWise keeps flickering in the upper right corner. All of my other equipment works just fine, I can watch 3D Directv just fine, and I am in fact able to view 1080 @ 60hz while using XBMC. I previously had an older Samsung DVD player that upconverted to 1080p and that worked fine. I hooked up the bluray player directly to the TV and it works as it should. I am trying to narrow it down to find out where i am losing commincation. I am going to try connecting just the bluray>monoprice switch>TV tonight(eliminating the wall plates and long cat6 run). I figured I would ask here first while I am at work today to see if there are any suggestions.

I would be interested to see/hear how other people have setup their systems using hdmi over cat6... unless I'm the only one?
post #18 of 28
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Anyone??

Does this sound like it is in HDCP issue between the TV and Bluray player? or is it simply due to lack of 3D support with some of the components?
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by MWRecords View Post

Anyone??

Does this sound like it is in HDCP issue between the TV and Bluray player? or is it simply due to lack of 3D support with some of the components?

Does it work with 2D? If so then it's 3D related (likely the 1.3 chips) and if not you have handshake (HDCP) issues.

Also can you pull a HDMI thorough and bypass the ethernet cable? You only need ethernet if you are making a 40' or longer run (like to another part of the house) and you say "... hidden in a closet and behind the TV...".
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Does it work with 2D? If so then it's 3D related (likely the 1.3 chips) and if not you have handshake (HDCP) issues.

Also can you pull a HDMI thorough and bypass the ethernet cable? You only need ethernet if you are making a 40' or longer run (like to another part of the house) and you say "... hidden in a closet and behind the TV...".

I don't get anything at all(2D or 3D). The screen flickers and displays "resolution not supported".

I cannot pull an hdmi cable, the ethernet run is 2 - cat6 cables approximately 65 feet in length. The TV is at the front of the room and the equipment closet is all the way at the back of the room. The basement is finished so i had to go with ethernet over HDMI to get through the walls and ceilings.

At lunch, I hooked the Blu-ray player directly to the TV and all works fine. I also tried hooking the Blu-ray through the monoprice switcher and it worked fine. So I have narrowed it down to the extenders and/or ethernet run.

I am soooo confused about hdmi 1.3 and hdmi 1.4 and 3d compatibility. My switcher is 1.3b but it will pass 3d just fine. In reading through these forums(which I've done a lot lately) there is a lot of varying opinions on what is needed to display frame packed 3d from blu-ray.

I guess I will try to replace the wall plates with a higher bandwith extender like this maybe? PID: 6532 Unless anyone out there has a recommendation for an cat6 extender that definitely supports 3D? At least monoprice has a 30 day return policy if it doesn't work.
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Does it work with 2D? If so then it's 3D related (likely the 1.3 chips) and if not you have handshake (HDCP) issues.

Also can you pull a HDMI thorough and bypass the ethernet cable? You only need ethernet if you are making a 40' or longer run (like to another part of the house) and you say "... hidden in a closet and behind the TV...".


What about this? I am thinking this is what I am looking for and it even has the wall plate design. Thoughs?
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by MWRecords View Post

What about this? I am thinking this is what I am looking for and it even has the wall plate design. Thoughs?

1.3 chip set, so it won't pass 3D.

EDIT: There info is contradictory because it says 3D compatible but lists only 1.3 compliance.

Also do you have a dual ethernet cable run?

There are a few wireless solutions available like this IOGEAR. Not sure if it passes lossless audio though (not important if your audio processor is in the closet).
post #23 of 28
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Are you saying the Atlona product that I listed will not work for what I am attempting(failing) to do? So I should disregard the fact that it says that it supports 3D numerous times in the description and spec sheets? The product you recommend doesn't say what chip set it uses. Am I missing something? I would prefer not to spend $350 for wireless equipment for 2 reasons: 1) I don't trust the quality, and 2) I already have the cat6 cables in place. I can't justify the cost premium. I cannot imagine that they make a wireless extender for 3D but no wired product to do what I need.

I was excited to have finally found a possible product to fit my needs, now I'm even more lost.

EDIT: Sorry, I replied before your edit. Yes I have two cat6 cables run from the equipment closet to the TV.
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by MWRecords View Post

Are you saying the Atlona product that I listed will not work for what I am attempting(failing) to do? So I should disregard the fact that it says that it supports 3D numerous times in the description and spec sheets? The product you recommend doesn't say what chip set it uses. Am I missing something?....

Not saying it won't work but it does say under specifications (and elsewhere) "...HDMI Standard: HDMI 1.3b...". My point is if it's HDMI 1.4 compliant (has HDMI 1.4 chipset) then why say 1.3? They could be just saying it will pass 3D side by side and not frame packed over/under.

As I said the info is contradictory. I would email and be sure they will give you a guarantee of HDCP 3D (frame packed over/under) HDMI 1.4 compatibility and then give it a try.
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Not saying it won't work but it does say under specifications (and elsewhere) "...HDMI Standard: HDMI 1.3b...". My point is if it's HDMI 1.4 compliant (has HDMI 1.4 chipset) then why say 1.3? They could be just saying it will pass 3D side by side and not frame packed over/under.

As I said the info is contradictory. I would email and be sure they will give you a guarantee of HDCP 3D (frame packed over/under) HDMI 1.4 compatibility and then give it a try.

Thanks, I sent their tech support an email today asking those questions. I'll let you know how they respond.
post #26 of 28
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I do not think that 1.4 is required to display 3D Bluray. I say this because I have currently connected my Samsung Bluray player to a 1.3 HDMI switcher(monoprice: PID 5557) then out to the TV. I am watching the IMAX Space Station 3D in full 1080p HD 3D as I type this with no issues. Is it possible that only high speed HDMI 1.3 is needed? If that is the case, It would open up a few more options for extenders.
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by MWRecords View Post

I do not think that 1.4 is required to display 3D Bluray. I say this because I have currently connected my Samsung Bluray player to a 1.3 HDMI switcher(monoprice: PID 5557) then out to the TV. I am watching the IMAX Space Station 3D in full 1080p HD 3D as I type this with no issues. Is it possible that only high speed HDMI 1.3 is needed? If that is the case, It would open up a few more options for extenders.

The monoprice is a simple switching device and does't contain an HDMI chipset.

1.4 chips are required for passing 3D anytime you have a HDMI chipset involved.
post #28 of 28
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Forgive me for being so dense, but why would an extender need to be any more complex than a switcher? Isn't it just outputting the exact signal that is sent to it over a different type of cable?
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