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post #31 of 404
7/29/12 at 7:20pm
Erich,

Its been a while since I've been around. A while back you were talking about the statements? Any update on flat packs for those? Especially since the crossover and drivers are available in kit form? Thanks.
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post #32 of 404
1/3/13 at 5:39pm
Erich, hey are you going to do any more flat packs for larger horns like the t6?
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Of course, changing the .75 like you said will simply make it a 1 cu ft enclosure. I'm sure there will be one of those as well. What exact dimensions were you thinking? A "stubby" 1 cu ft enclosure? Maybe a little bigger so it could be used with some 8" subwoofers as well.
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post #33 of 404
1/3/13 at 5:44pm
Are the Statements still in the mix for consideration?
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post #34 of 404
1/6/13 at 11:35am
With all the current popularity of the SI 18's and the Dayton 18's was wondering if there was any chance of a 6-6.5 cuft dual opposed flat pack?
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post #35 of 404
1/7/13 at 5:46pm
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With all the current popularity of the SI 18's and the Dayton 18's was wondering if there was any chance of a 6-6.5 cuft dual opposed flat pack?
Yes me too mabey 6.5- 7 made out of Baltic Birch if possible.
Thanks
Chris
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post #36 of 404
1/7/13 at 9:00pm
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Are the Statements still in the mix for consideration?

There didn't seem to be enough demand for the Statements to warrant the cost. Only about 4 people said they wanted them. Kind of a bummer.
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post #37 of 404
1/7/13 at 9:08pm
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With all the current popularity of the SI 18's and the Dayton 18's was wondering if there was any chance of a 6-6.5 cuft dual opposed flat pack?

The CNC company has promised me they will be cutting most of the boxes starting this week, and into next week. The dual opposed 18" box will be done, but it's at the end of the run and I'm not sure how many will be made up. I think they come in around 7cuft net. They're mdf. I've got a decent number of Baltic birch samples that we worked on a couple months ago, but I just don't think people will want to pay the premium for it. So right now, it's going to be mdf because that seems to be what most guys have asked me to get made up. It's also easier to finish and smoother all around. And of course keeps the price lower.

There's a good chance for one size to be made out of Baltic birch, and that will be the well braced 4cuft model for the 18" LMS or other overkill woofers. But it uses 1.5 sheets of wood, and after the shipping box and Paypal fees, it will likely be around $150 or more. They haven't given me a definite price yet because I wasn't sure how many were going to be cut. Price varies by how many I can get them to do. But with well over 200 flat packs coming (including the SEOS speaker flat packs), I'm not sure how many of those Baltic birch models I will be able to get made up right now.
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post #38 of 404
1/8/13 at 1:47pm
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The CNC company has promised me they will be cutting most of the boxes starting this week, and into next week. The dual opposed 18" box will be done, but it's at the end of the run and I'm not sure how many will be made up. I think they come in around 7cuft net. They're mdf. I've got a decent number of Baltic birch samples that we worked on a couple months ago, but I just don't think people will want to pay the premium for it. So right now, it's going to be mdf because that seems to be what most guys have asked me to get made up. It's also easier to finish and smoother all around. And of course keeps the price lower.
There's a good chance for one size to be made out of Baltic birch, and that will be the well braced 4cuft model for the 18" LMS or other overkill woofers. But it uses 1.5 sheets of wood, and after the shipping box and Paypal fees, it will likely be around $150 or more. They haven't given me a definite price yet because I wasn't sure how many were going to be cut. Price varies by how many I can get them to do. But with well over 200 flat packs coming (including the SEOS speaker flat packs), I'm not sure how many of those Baltic birch models I will be able to get made up right now.

Not sure if I read this correctly, but does this mean there won't be baltic birch sub flat packs at all... Or just not for the large dual opposed boxes?
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post #39 of 404
1/8/13 at 2:32pm
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I've got samples in Baltic birch for pretty much everything except the big dual opposed boxes. But after talking with forum members and others asking through emails from the site, I'd guess 85% said they'd rather have mdf to save money and to have the smooth baffles that are easier to finish. Even on the larger boxes, which surprised me.

Some said they would rather have Baltic birch so they can just stain the cabinet and be done. But the cabinets don't have miter joints on the corners, so obviously you can see the plywood layers where the panels meet.

I'll probably still get some Baltic ones made up for the larger single 18" drivers, but it's not going to be a huge number simply due to cost. 20 of them would likely cost around $3000. I'm not sure if I'll get 20 done at first or not. Once they sell, I can always order more. After the initial run and things get worked out and programmed, getting more won't take very long.

If there was a request for at least 10 or so of some specific size or shape, I could likely do it, but I'd have to know pretty soon. The problem is that a lot of people will say what they would like to see done, but most of those people wouldn't actually order anything. And I don't want to be stuck with thousands of dollars worth of boxes that no one really wanted. If you have a different idea, please let me know.
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post #40 of 404
1/8/13 at 4:00pm
Hey Erich, we were PMing back and forth quite a bit on Sat.

I know you are planning a single 18" driver enclosure in baltic birch, but are you also planning on a single in MDF? I think I'm leaning towards MDF myself too because of the savings.

thanks!
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post #41 of 404
1/8/13 at 6:47pm
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I've got samples in Baltic birch for pretty much everything except the big dual opposed boxes. But after talking with forum members and others asking through emails from the site, I'd guess 85% said they'd rather have mdf to save money and to have the smooth baffles that are easier to finish. Even on the larger boxes, which surprised me.
Some said they would rather have Baltic birch so they can just stain the cabinet and be done. But the cabinets don't have miter joints on the corners, so obviously you can see the plywood layers where the panels meet.
I'll probably still get some Baltic ones made up for the larger single 18" drivers, but it's not going to be a huge number simply due to cost. 20 of them would likely cost around $3000. I'm not sure if I'll get 20 done at first or not. Once they sell, I can always order more. After the initial run and things get worked out and programmed, getting more won't take very long.
If there was a request for at least 10 or so of some specific size or shape, I could likely do it, but I'd have to know pretty soon. The problem is that a lot of people will say what they would like to see done, but most of those people wouldn't actually order anything. And I don't want to be stuck with thousands of dollars worth of boxes that no one really wanted. If you have a different idea, please let me know.

I certainly understand going with mdf to keep costs down if most prospective buyers stated that is their preference anyway.

However you decide to do it, whatever works best for you... it's a huge service for the DIY folks out there, so I'm just thankful to have some of these options available. I just wanted to check with you so I wasn't planning on one thing, like a baltic birch cabinet, only to find out down the line that idea was scrapped.

Just curious - are you still planning on cabinets/kits for the dual passive radiator 10" and 12" compact subs you mentioned awhile back?
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post #42 of 404
1/9/13 at 9:56am
What's the consensus on the dual opposed Dayton 18" HO? Volume etc? I have seen a couple threads, but not many numbers or impressions. I am rather interested in these. I was considering between them and the AE 15 and dual 18" passive design.
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post #43 of 404
1/9/13 at 10:19am
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What's the consensus on the dual opposed Dayton 18" HO? Volume etc? I have seen a couple threads, but not many numbers or impressions. I am rather interested in these. I was considering between them and the AE 15 and dual 18" passive design.
Gorilla's are a hair over 7 cubes I believe (after bracing and drivers). I made mine a touch smaller, it's 6.4-6.5 cubes. I think the general consensus has been that anything between 6 and 8 cubes is fine. I went a little smaller due to some of the space/location considerations I had and because I wanted to feel doubly sure about excursion. I think 7 cubes is probably a fine target for a flatpack.
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post #44 of 404
1/18/13 at 6:57pm
An 18 box for the si woofer would be a life saver
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post #45 of 404
1/18/13 at 7:02pm
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Gorilla's are a hair over 7 cubes I believe (after bracing and drivers). I made mine a touch smaller, it's 6.4-6.5 cubes. I think the general consensus has been that anything between 6 and 8 cubes is fine. I went a little smaller due to some of the space/location considerations I had and because I wanted to feel doubly sure about excursion. I think 7 cubes is probably a fine target for a flatpack.

I basically copied Gorillas inner dimensions and I came up with about 6.75ft^ net. After drivers and bracing. About 7 before.
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post #46 of 404
1/20/13 at 7:43am
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Does anyone have an 18" SI subwoofer they can send me before the end of next week? Or anyone live near Cincinnati that might have one?

I just need to check and make sure it fits perfectly in a woofer cutout, then I'll send it back. I've got the Dayton 18", and access to the 18" TC Sounds, but not the SI. And I'm not sure I can order one and get it here that fast.
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post #47 of 404
1/20/13 at 9:30am
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Does anyone have an 18" SI subwoofer they can send me before the end of next week? Or anyone live near Cincinnati that might have one?

I just need to check and make sure it fits perfectly in a woofer cutout, then I'll send it back. I've got the Dayton 18", and access to the 18" TC Sounds, but not the SI. And I'm not sure I can order one and get it here that fast.

Hopefully someone close to you can get you one, but if no one offers anytime soon I could ship you one.

I do know this, a friend who has boxes for his Dayton drivers let me try to see it the SI driver would fit. He has a recessed front baffle. We tried it this morning and the SI driver was about 1/8th of an inch too big on ALL sides, so it wouldn't fit into his recessed cut out.
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post #48 of 404
1/20/13 at 9:50am
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Yeh, that's why I would really need one to test fit the box. The 4 cuft models, and I believe 3 or 3.5 cuft models are getting started this week. Most of the SEOS and small waveguide boxes were finished up last week and I was told they're going from those directly into the sub boxes. I asked for the 4cuft model to be done first.

I've got all the Dayton RS woofers from 10" up to 18". And the 15" Titanic. I bought the new 10" Ultimax and 12" Ultimax yesterday.

1.25cuft for the Dayton RS 12" and 10" Ultimax

2cuft for 12" Ultimax and maybe the Dayton RS 12" as well.

3cuft for the Dayton RS 15" and Titanic 15"

3.5 cuft (possibly) I'm still debating if I should get this or the 3cuft, or both. The 3.5 is narrower and slightly taller than the 3cuft cube. 3.5 might be better for the Titanic.

4cuft for the Dayton 18", and something else.

These are all going to be mdf simply because the price to get that many boxes done in Baltic birch would be too much right now.
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post #49 of 404
1/20/13 at 10:06am
Yeah I recessed my SI 18. 18.5" cutout and it was a super tight fit
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post #50 of 404
1/20/13 at 10:10am
Will you still be offering the 4.5 cubed 18 box?
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post #51 of 404
1/20/13 at 10:19am
Erich, I just sent you a PM.
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post #52 of 404
1/20/13 at 12:01pm
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Will you still be offering the 4.5 cubed 18 box?

There isn't enough difference between the 4.5 and the 4cuft to warrant doing it. 4.5 cuft is literally only .5" bigger each way.
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post #53 of 404
1/20/13 at 3:42pm
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Yeh, that's why I would really need one to test fit the box. The 4 cuft models, and I believe 3 or 3.5 cuft models are getting started this week. Most of the SEOS and small waveguide boxes were finished up last week and I was told they're going from those directly into the sub boxes. I asked for the 4cuft model to be done first.

I've got all the Dayton RS woofers from 10" up to 18". And the 15" Titanic. I bought the new 10" Ultimax and 12" Ultimax yesterday.

2cuft for 12" Ultimax and maybe the Dayton RS 12" as well.

These are all going to be mdf simply because the price to get that many boxes done in Baltic birch would be too much right now.

Eric:
I'm claiming (1) 2 cu ft for my 12" Ultimax , which I have at home.
As soon as your website has them I will wish list one.
I already wish listed a 2.25 cu ft box, I would take either one, whichever you have easiest.
They model so close the 0.25 cu ft diff does not really matter.
I'm powering it via ext amp.
Mdf is fine.
Edited by mtbdudex - 1/20/13 at 4:19pm
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post #54 of 404
1/20/13 at 3:46pm
emailed you earlier about the flat packs. Probably going to go with the 3.5cuft for a LMS-R or Dayton ref 15 build biggrin.gif
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post #55 of 404
1/20/13 at 4:17pm
Erich - What size are the proper screws to mount the DNA360 to the SEOS12? My package had 2 larger screws and 4 smaller ones. The two larger screws fit great, I'm thinking I will pick up 4 more of them. biggrin.gif No worries, I can stop at HD tomorrow, just need the right size.
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post #56 of 404
1/20/13 at 4:23pm
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Erich - What size are the proper screws to mount the DNA360 to the SEOS12? My package had 2 larger screws and 4 smaller ones. The two larger screws fit great, I'm thinking I will pick up 4 more of them. biggrin.gif No worries, I can stop at HD tomorrow, just need the right size.

Just take the DNA-360 and one of the bolts that fit and then you can match it up. I opened a couple of my DNA-360 boxes and did not see any bolts, so I took the SEOS-12 and the DNA-360 and found bolts to fit. Then when building my third speaker, opened the last DNA-360 box and found the bolts for all three in it. smile.gif
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post #57 of 404
1/20/13 at 4:39pm
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There isn't enough difference between the 4.5 and the 4cuft to warrant doing it. 4.5 cuft is literally only .5" bigger each way.

Exactly, negligible for a sealed application.
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post #58 of 404
1/20/13 at 4:43pm
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Erich - What size are the proper screws to mount the DNA360 to the SEOS12? My package had 2 larger screws and 4 smaller ones. The two larger screws fit great, I'm thinking I will pick up 4 more of them. biggrin.gif No worries, I can stop at HD tomorrow, just need the right size.
They're M6 IIRC but I can't recall the length.
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post #59 of 404
1/20/13 at 5:08pm
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They're M6 IIRC but I can't recall the length.

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Just take the DNA-360 and one of the bolts that fit and then you can match it up. I opened a couple of my DNA-360 boxes and did not see any bolts, so I took the SEOS-12 and the DNA-360 and found bolts to fit. Then when building my third speaker, opened the last DNA-360 box and found the bolts for all three in it. smile.gif

Thanks guys. I was feeling lazy but since I already have 2 good bolts it should be super easy to go match them up at the hardware store tomorrow.

Crossover #1 is coming along!
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post #60 of 404
1/20/13 at 9:22pm
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SEOS thread is that away -->>> biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

I'm not sure I understand your question though. You're talking about the bolts that go into the DNA-360? If so, those should be M6.

The DNA-350 is M5. In the past 2 weeks I've been hustling to get things packaged up and have made 2 mistakes because of it. rolleyes.gif I know you got 3 total, which should be 6 bolts. Maybe I grabbed the wrong bag on 2 of them.

Lowes sells them for 90 cents for 4. They're 16mm long if I recall (maybe 14), but you can go a length shorter if you wanted. You can't go longer though.
Edited by Erich H - 1/21/13 at 7:37am
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