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post #121 of 601
I just got back from CES.

2012 Panasonic plasmas looked great (as usual). They are 50% brighter in 2012 due to a change in the pixel structure. The Pany rep said they enlarged the green subpixed relative to the red and blue.

No TV over 65" was found (hoping for 75").

Panasonic really de-emphaisized 3D this year in my opinion. Last year, there were multiple 3D display setups. This year, I didn't see anything, although the booth is so big, I may have missed it.

I also saw the Elite LCD, and while at times, it did have great blacks, not always. They have some sort of algorithm for turning of the backlight, that sometimes doesn't work right. From what I saw, I think for overall viewing under a variety of conditions, plasmas still hold the "black crown".

Michael
post #122 of 601
^Didn't see the OLEDs for further comparison?
post #123 of 601
^I didn't see a Panasonic OLED, but did see LG's. Right now, the plasma looked a bit better, because the OLED prototype I saw had bad color shift towards green off axis. It needed a bit more work.

Michael
post #124 of 601
Michael...do you recall which OLED had the off axis color shift?
post #125 of 601
I think he meant the LG
post #126 of 601
Once again...OLED Discussion on the plasma thread...painful
post #127 of 601
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

Michael...do you recall which OLED had the off axis color shift?

It was on the LG 55" prototypes.

Michael
post #128 of 601
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Once again...OLED Discussion on the plasma thread...painful

There was also comparison with an Elite LCD, but you didn't complain about that. Hmm.
post #129 of 601
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Originally Posted by LeahCelani View Post

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P65VT30-65-inch-Plasma/dp/B004NPND20/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1326552300&sr=1-6

Is this tv considered a 2012 version? I don't really know anything about TVs haha. I was thinking about buying this TV for my parents anniversary, and thought it seemed like a good deal? I've never had a 3D tv though, would you guys suggest this one or should i just go for one that isn't 3D?

I doubt that it would be considered a 2012 version. The first Amazon review is dated 5/22/11

As for 3d... do you think that your parents are likely to sit around watching it with the 3d specs on? Probably not but these days you pretty much get 3d dumped in with the set.

Depending on where you live, you might be able to find the set locally for a similar price, which 'might' make swapping easier (if the set has issues).

Finally do you think that your parents really want a set that big? Hey, if they'd like livin' large, go for it.
post #130 of 601
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

I just got back from CES.

Panasonic really de-emphaisized 3D this year in my opinion. Last year, there were multiple 3D display setups. This year, I didn't see anything, although the booth is so big, I may have missed it.

Michael

I think all but one is a 3D TV, it's just as you say, they aren't really pluggin it as the main feature this year, and just as a minor feature now.

The VT50's support 3D and 2D to 3D conversion, biggest set is 65-inch.

Found the info from here: Panasonic VT50 Series – TC-P65VT50 & TC-P55VT50

Update: They also have the full Panasonic 2012 plasma line up... five out of the six are 3D http://www.hdtv-news.com/panasonic/plasma-2012-lineup/ . They have photos also
post #131 of 601
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

So what do you guys think about this?

Panasonic unveils Infinite Black Ultra Panel plasmas for 2012:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/11/p...as-for-2012-e/

My first thought is that panasonic is really doing a disservice to current customers buy not having backwards compatable 3d glasses. I just bought the st30 and waiting on more glasses to be available. my guess is now that they will discontinue the models i need. So am i forever going to be out of luck? Guess I should have waited 6 more months to ensure I got the full capability of my tv.
post #132 of 601
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

I just got back from CES.

2012 Panasonic plasmas looked great (as usual). They are 50% brighter in 2012 due to a change in the pixel structure. The Pany rep said they enlarged the green subpixed relative to the red and blue.


Michael

I was trying to get my three questions answered in another thread, but people keep complaining about the way the panels look too much to notice my question. Anyway, will the increased brightness will cause image retention issues? Also, will increasing the size of the green phosphors cause more phosphor lag? From what I understand they increased the speed of the phosphors again, so I guess we'll see.

Something else I have been trying to get answered is that I have noticed something about Panasonic plasmas when compared to Samsung; this could be the way Panasonic plasmas drive themselves, but again, I'm not sure. I've noticed on the Panasonic plasmas whenever I move my eyes across the screen, or look away, that there is a phosphor like lag on certain parts of the screen. This seems, to me at least, to a similar phenomenon when viewing a DLP. Funny thing is though, I don't notice this effect on Samsung plasmas. How is it that I can see this on a Panasonic, but not on a Samsung? Is it the way the Panasonic panels drive themselves? I know that Panasonic has a new driving method on the 2012 sets so I'm hoping that issue goes away. Can anyone explain this to me?
post #133 of 601
DaveZ06,

I also have noticed what u described but only on my parents LG plasma, not on a Panasonic or Samsung. Weird huh? Oh and I also see DLP rainbows, even on my sisters LED DLP. Not sure what it is or why its sometimes noticeable.
post #134 of 601
Any word on where the hdmi inputs are located on the GT50? I bought hdmi adapters for the GT30(so the cables would lay flat against the rear of the tv) but decided to wait until the 2012 models came out to pull the trigger. You think the adapters I got for the GT30 will work fior the GT50?
post #135 of 601
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Originally Posted by mds5x8 View Post

My first thought is that panasonic is really doing a disservice to current customers buy not having backwards compatable 3d glasses. I just bought the st30 and waiting on more glasses to be available. my guess is now that they will discontinue the models i need. So am i forever going to be out of luck? Guess I should have waited 6 more months to ensure I got the full capability of my tv.

Which glasses are you waiting for?
post #136 of 601
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Originally Posted by DaveZ06 View Post

I was trying to get my three questions answered in another thread, but people keep complaining about the way the panels look too much to notice my question. Anyway, will the increased brightness will cause image retention issues? Also, will increasing the size of the green phosphors cause more phosphor lag? From what I understand they increased the speed of the phosphors again, so I guess we'll see.

I didn't ask about image retention, but I did ask about burn-in. The rep said don't worry about it. He said you would really have to work at it to burn in an image now. The TV even shuts itself off, if the image doesn't change after two hours. He said the entire panel was completely redesigned, new faster phosphors, new electrodes, new gases, everything. He said the last panel came in at 600 Hz. This one comes in at 900-1000 Hz. The LCD people are going to have trouble keeping up with that.

Since the phosphors are faster, you should get less phosphor lag.

The TC-P65VT50 had the best looking picture I saw at CES 2012. Yes, it was still better than the LG OLED prototypes (which had green shift off-axis).

Michael
post #137 of 601
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Originally Posted by JLennerth View Post

Any word on where the hdmi inputs are located on the GT50? I bought hdmi adapters for the GT30(so the cables would lay flat against the rear of the tv) but decided to wait until the 2012 models came out to pull the trigger. You think the adapters I got for the GT30 will work fior the GT50?

I believe they are going to be in the same place as the GT30 so those adapters will work fine
post #138 of 601
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

Since the phosphors are faster, you should get less phosphor lag.

The problem is not the speed of the phosphors, it's that each color fades at a different rate. I saw no improvement in yellow flashes on high contrast images between older 'slow" phosphor Panasonic sets and the 2011 "fast phosphor" ones released last year. In 2011, the Samsung sets seemed to have less of the problem. Hopefully the 2012 will be better from both brands.
post #139 of 601
Hi Michael2000, did you notice any flicker at all with the new sets? I seem to see a noticeable amount of flicker with the 2011 models.

Thanks!
post #140 of 601
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Originally Posted by korn646 View Post

Hi Michael2000, did you notice any flicker at all with the new sets? I seem to see a noticeable amount of flicker with the 2011 models.

Most people don't see flicker now, but clearly some of you are susceptible to it. Honestly, you're going to have to see the new ones yourself to be sure.
post #141 of 601
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

The TC-P65VT50 had the best looking picture I saw at CES 2012. Yes, it was still better than the LG OLED prototypes (which had green shift off-axis).

Thanks, was this the only perceptible area it failed in comparison? I can imagine that would stick out sorely to a videophile.
post #142 of 601
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Originally Posted by eonibm View Post

Heard through a friend who works at Panasonic that the 2013 Panny's are going to exceed Kuro technology in terms of blacks and everything else, but only in the VT series. Also, they have big plans for OLED but realize the price is going to be high for quite some time and so they hope to fill in the gap with Kuro-esque quality (which will also eventually trickle down to the lower end models of course). All makes sense since they have access to the Kuro technology.

So, you might want to wait for 2013 rather than the ones that have just been announced.

You have been in this forum since 2006. You should be aware of the talks about Kuro-esque quality for the past 2 years. You know what they say about once bitten...

You should also be aware that Panny closed their newest P5 plant.
post #143 of 601
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

I didn't ask about image retention, but I did ask about burn-in. The rep said don't worry about it. He said you would really have to work at it to burn in an image now. The TV even shuts itself off, if the image doesn't change after two hours. He said the entire panel was completely redesigned, new faster phosphors, new electrodes, new gases, everything. He said the last panel came in at 600 Hz. This one comes in at 900-1000 Hz. The LCD people are going to have trouble keeping up with that.

Since the phosphors are faster, you should get less phosphor lag.

The TC-P65VT50 had the best looking picture I saw at CES 2012. Yes, it was still better than the LG OLED prototypes (which had green shift off-axis).

Michael

I would have asked if it's as black as that tv from 2008.

I believe your assessment, but the video feed on the Panasonics looked awful. The Samsung plasmas, in comparision on video feeds, looked gorgeous. How do think the Samsungs fared against Panny this year on the show floor?

I'm still surprised that they keep making all these technological advancements and yet they can't find a way to get the panels truly black within the amount of money they have to work with?!?!?!?

Also, you're the first person to report a color shift on the LG OLED- I'm surprised no one else has brought this up.
post #144 of 601
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

I didn't ask about image retention, but I did ask about burn-in. The rep said don't worry about it. He said you would really have to work at it to burn in an image now. The TV even shuts itself off, if the image doesn't change after two hours. He said the entire panel was completely redesigned, new faster phosphors, new electrodes, new gases, everything. He said the last panel came in at 600 Hz. This one comes in at 900-1000 Hz. The LCD people are going to have trouble keeping up with that.

Since the phosphors are faster, you should get less phosphor lag.

The TC-P65VT50 had the best looking picture I saw at CES 2012. Yes, it was still better than the LG OLED prototypes (which had green shift off-axis).

Michael

The people just popping in here and assuming Panny hasn't done much from 2011 to 2012 need to read this several times.
post #145 of 601
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

The people just popping in here and assuming Panny hasn't done much from 2011 to 2012 need to read this several times.

Come on, mfrey, you know that isn't even going to be noticeable with content on screen. Even avjunkie isn't sure the new focus field drive will be apparent on any content.

I'll agree they've claimed to have made some big changes, but we need to wait until it's reviewed properly.

The changes claimed for 2011-2012 are larger than from the year before, that's a given. Most people, myself included, were ready for an end to floating blacks- which defeated the purpose of even buying a plasma in the first place since the black level shifted like crazy.
post #146 of 601
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Originally Posted by specuvestor View Post

You should also be aware that Panny closed their newest P5 plant.


http://panasonic.net/vision/amp/

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Flat-panel Television Business: Panasonic will increase purchase of LCD panels from outside vendors and transfer a production line of its third domestic PDP plant in Amagasaki City in Japan to China to reduce asset. Also, it will focus on panel sizes with which it can give full play to its competitiveness in flat panels. For TV sets, it will focus on improving profitability by introducing TVs with distinctive features, while stepping up production overseas.


Panasonic's third domestic plant is Amagasaki 1 (also known as P3).

Ibaraki 1=P1 The first domestic plant...Plasma 1????
Ibaraki 2=P2 The second domestic plant
Amagasaki 1=P3 The third domestic plant
Amagasaki 2=P4
Amagasaki 3=P5

http://www.panasonic.com.pa/microsit...x.html#topic03

This adds a little to the confusion as it describes Amagasaki 1 as:

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Our third Amagasaki Plant in Japan......

When in fact its the first plant in Amagasaki and the third plant overall.

I believe Reuters reported this error and others perpetuated it.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/techno...79I8A420111020

http://www.avforums.com/forums/15637287-post1.html
post #147 of 601
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Originally Posted by RedOctober205 View Post

Which glasses are you waiting for?

I was trying to find a couple of pairs of the 3rd generation glasses. My local bb doesnt have any in stock, amazon doesnt have any and most of the online shops i've been looking at only have the 1st or 2nd gen glasses. i was hoping that panasonic would continue to improve their glasses and that as they become more common place, i could pick up some even better. oh well. my other concern was 3 or 4 years from now how easy is it going to be to find replacements should the 3rd gen crap out.
post #148 of 601
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Originally Posted by Wizziwig View Post

The problem is not the speed of the phosphors, it's that each color fades at a different rate. I saw no improvement in yellow flashes on high contrast images between older 'slow" phosphor Panasonic sets and the 2011 "fast phosphor" ones released last year. In 2011, the Samsung sets seemed to have less of the problem. Hopefully the 2012 will be better from both brands.

I personally have seen an improvement over the years, but it still seems like Samsung has less phosphor issues. Maybe it has something to do with how Samsung panels are driven? I find that when I move my eyes across the screen on a Panasonic, I tend to see phosphor trails; I can't see this phenomenon on Samsung plasmas. Hopefully, with Panasonic's new driving system, that problem will be nonexistent.
post #149 of 601
does anyone think that the vt50 series will be shorter (height-wise) than the vt30s? the 65 is about an inch to tall for the space i want to fit it in but it is hard to tell from pictures whether the bezel is smaller.
post #150 of 601
When would this new lineup of TV's be released in Canada? I'm looking to get a 50" ST30, would it be worth the wait for the ST50?
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