2012 Panasonic Plasmas??? - Page 8

Originally Posted by calvin35

I was just wondering what besides the cosmetics of these TVs makes them a solid step up? I know you are one of the few around here who have actually seen them so I am curious.

Originally Posted by rogo

From the demos -- admitted that they were demos -- I believe that the new models will be:

1) Brighter: not a ton, but brighter
2) Darker: the blacks are improved. Again, perhaps not a ton but they are better
3) Improved in ambient light: between the filter improvements / trickle down to lower models and the panel changes, I think the TVs will be better on a Sunday afternoon

Are any of these revolutionary? No. But all together, I think the improvements will be noticeable.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma

I am sure they will be great That is for sure.........

Originally Posted by RedOctober205

I am just hoping your arrival estimates are solid. Robert has them being delayed just a tiny bit longer than you do. I'm impatient!

Originally Posted by DavidHir

I think they will be incrementally better, but not earth shattering better. D-Nice seemed to allude to this, as well, as he's been spot on with everything regarding Panasonic lately.

Originally Posted by TheKnobber

Surely, this is a joke? Perhaps it depends on what you mean by lately. But if you mean over the past two weeks, maybe. But over the past few years he has been wrong quite a bit. To the point where I no longer trust his objectitity or believe what he says.

Originally Posted by TheKnobber

Surely, this is a joke? Perhaps it depends on what you mean by lately. But if you mean over the past two weeks, maybe. But over the past few years he has been wrong quite a bit. To the point where I no longer trust his objectitity or believe what he says.

Originally Posted by David_B

If you're going to make accusations about someone you better back them up.

How about pointing to a few of these "wrong quite a bit" threads?

Originally Posted by TheKnobber

Lots of examples of his lack of objectivity. An easy one is go back and look at the 2011 Panasonic threads where he claimed early on that Panny would never release a fix for fbs.

Then go forward and read how after they did fix the issue with a firmware update how he refused to admit they fixed it and instead started debating the meaning of the word fixed. Reminded me of: "I did not have sexual relations with that woman".

Then he went on to state that if something can be measured then its a defect that can be seen. Which is so clearly wrong that its not even an issue that any reasonable person would even try to debate. I can think of thousands of picture quality measurements that can be measured but that the human eye cannot resolve. Its just silly to see him squirm around to try and avoid admitting he was wrong. That is why I no longer respect him or trust his evaluations.

Originally Posted by RedOctober205

A fix would be the complete elimination of a problem, not the minimization of a problem. He has thousands of post over the course of several years. Provide a solid example if you are going to question his integrity.

Your posting history shows D-nice attacks going back at least two years. You have an agenda apparently.

Originally Posted by rogo

From the demos -- admitted that they were demos -- I believe that the new models will be:

1) Brighter: not a ton, but brighter
2) Darker: the blacks are improved. Again, perhaps not a ton but they are better
3) Improved in ambient light: between the filter improvements / trickle down to lower models and the panel changes, I think the TVs will be better on a Sunday afternoon

Are any of these revolutionary? No. But all together, I think the improvements will be noticeable.

Originally Posted by TheKnobber

I see what you did there! You took D-Nice's ridiculous argument and repeated it. Apparently saying something clearly wrong over and over again will eventually make it correct.

And no, sorry to pop your balloon, but I have no agenda, other than wanting people to think for themselves and to point out logic errors and lack of objectivity, no matter who it comes from. No one is perfect or immune to bias, even if subconcious.

Originally Posted by RedOctober205

So you believe that it is rediculous when you fix something...to...you know...actually fix it? Making something "less bad" rather than completely eliminating the issue is not a fix. I apologize if you do not understand that. If it were possible to make something so simple even easier for you to understand...I would.

Originally Posted by RedOctober205

So you believe that it is rediculous when you fix something...to...you know...actually fix it? Making something "less bad" rather than completely eliminating the issue is not a fix. I apologize if you do not understand that. If it were possible to make something so simple even easier for you to understand...I would.

Originally Posted by TheKnobber

Not going to start another debate on the meaning of the word fixed again. Been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt.

Feel free to blindly follow those who you want. Feel free to attack my intelligence. I will feel free to continue to point out logical errors and loss of objectivity where I see it.

Originally Posted by rogo

I'm not Chris, but the 50 series is a very solid step up from the 30 series. I'm not sure why some people aren't enthusiastic, but the all-new panel design pays some obvious dividends.

Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma

I guess I should have explained better:

I am taking about over all picture quality. Nothing else. I mean the sets of the past 1-2 years are pretty darn sweet are they not ? Well see what happens, but I think for "the average user" they will not notice anything major. Of course here on AVS there are few average users


Yes I was at CES. The new units have great changes. Design is thinner, weighs less, cooler apps, and has a sweet bezel. We will see in a few months if the picture Quality is any better, to hard to tell at CES.

Originally Posted by rogo

Generally, I haven't seen Amazon do TV pre-orders. That said, there are exceptions to everything.

As for D-Nice, I have my own issues with him, but the attacks are really out of hand. Just chill folks. The guy has done more than his share in support of great video. He's also human.

wsokolosky, anytime.

Originally Posted by TheKnobber

Lots of examples of his lack of objectivity. An easy one is go back and look at the 2011 Panasonic threads where he claimed early on that Panny would never release a fix for fbs.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

Panasonic never provided a fix. They provided an update that reduced the FBrs. If the FBrs were fixed (which means eliminated) I would not have seen and been able to point out Fbrs on a VT30 I calibrated 3 days ago (December 2011 manufacture date with all updates installed).

Originally Posted by AuDiOBoY529

Does anybody know if these 2012 Panasonics are using the 10 lumens tech on these plasma sets? Particularly the VT,GT, and ST series.

Originally Posted by xmkf


Unrelated, but did you see any obvious pink/magenta tinting on the sides of this VT30 you calibrated? It's quite noticeable in middle grey and on tan/beige colors like a basketball court or white like hockey ice. For that matter, what about an obvious green tint to the middle third of the screen? I'm playing the panel lottery game right now and am probably going to be getting my 3rd VT30 from Amazon and I'm not confident these problems won't show up.

Originally Posted by D-Nice

VT30 I calibrated 3 days ago (December 2011 manufacture date with all updates installed).

Originally Posted by D-Nice

Panasonic never provided a fix. They provided an update that reduced the FBrs. If the FBrs were fixed (which means eliminated) I would not have seen and been able to point out Fbrs on a VT30 I calibrated 3 days ago (December 2011 manufacture date with all updates installed).

Panasonic does not call their FBr solution a fix. They call it an update... because they know the definition of fix.