2012 Panasonic Plasmas??? - Page 9

We seem to be veering from the topic of the thread...

The results were the same as any other VT30 I've calibrated

I will be there 2/1-2/4. PM me if you would like to get your display calibrated.

FBR isn't fixed-- I'm not a professional calibrater and I can tell you that. 65" ST30, Sucker Punch theatrical cut (blu), scene where they are coming down the stairs to slay the baby dragon... Observable and repeatable and NOT evident on other displays.

I'm really hoping with the new redesigned panels they no longer have any of these issues. How long have they been using their previous generation panels for anyway? Since 2009?

I think Neo PDP started in 2009, not sure how they have evolved though.

Unfortunately, not as well as I had hoped.

So I'm assuming it is between 5 and 10 lumens? 7 lumens?

I was looking for more features

Plasma hasn't even hit 5. I believe they have just given up for whatever reason.

I doubt the technology ever proved to be manufacturable for any reasonable cost. And at this point, the odds of any huge breakthrough in PDP is so slim it's almost pointless to consider.

Does anyone know the rice of the Panny 85 inch vx200, will the vx300 have a 85 inch set. what are thge rices of these TV's???? I love the all black bezels of these tv's. Are they much better than the VT50 series?

The Pro 85" VX200 is about $30K. Would be a sweet panel, but not at that price. Half the price and I'm in. Panny is targeting a different market with this line. Too bad they are not competing in the consumer market for large sets, especially since they are already making them! Tough competition from the 80" Sharp LCD streeting for about $4K.

the new 85VX200 wil be out this fall and prevued this April

i heard something about about zero lag phosphor 4k resolution a few other things but this is just heresay.

Ummmmm....

Wait, neopdp was never 5 lumen tech?????

No. I would imagine at this point it's something nobody wants to dump the research and development into. Anyway, I'm curious to know just how much faster the phosphors are on on the new 3D models.

One advantage of cutting back on power is a tick darker blacks...EVERYTHING is darker.

V10 V25 V30

Does anyone know if the P**ST50 series will have 96 or 120 Hz to play 24P native, without inverse telecine? (Like the VT30 and my 4 year old RPTV). Specs mentions 24P smoothing but this appears to be motion smoothing which I would not use.

I thought the opposite was true?

Is the 2012 TC-P42UT50 supposed to be an upgrade from the TC-P42ST30? Or are only the ST50's truly upgrades from the ST30 models?

From Panasonic's press release, it seems the ST50s (and GT50s) will have a new "Infinite Black Pro" panel which is the successor to the "Infinite Black 2" panel found in the ST30s (and GT30s) and is presumably an upgrade. It's not clear whether this is the same as the "Infinite Black Pro 2" panel found in the VT30s (the VT50s have an "Infinite Black Ultra" panel).

It also doesn't say what the UT50 will have, but it's pretty clear it's not the "Pro". If the UT50 has the Infinite Black 2 panel (as ARTICLE ONE below says), then I would imagine the UT50 should be more or less the same as the ST30 in terms of PQ.

But it's not clear where that article is getting its info, as another article on the same site (ARTICLE TWO below) says the UT50 will have the same "Infinite Black" panel as the S30. It's not clear if that's a typo and they mean "Infinite Black 2" and ST30 (Panasonic's materials for the S30 make no mention of any Infinite Black panel, FWIW), or if the UT50 will really have the same black level performance as the S30, in which case it's a downgrade from the ST30 and we 42" buyers should be running out to snap up an ST30 before they're gone.

Edited to add:
It seems AVS Forum won't let me link to this site, so you'll have to take out the spaces in the URLs below manually:

ARTICLE ONE: http:// reviews.plasma tv buying guide.com/panasonic-plasma-tv/panasonic-ut50-features.html

ARTICLE TWO: http:// reviews.plasma tv buying guide.com/panasonic-plasma-tv/panasonic-tcp42ut50.html

"From Panasonic's press release, it seems the ST50s (and GT50s) will have a new "Infinite Black Pro" panel which is the successor to the "Infinite Black 2" panel found in the ST30s (and GT30s) and is presumably an upgrade. It's not clear whether this is the same as the "Infinite Black Pro 2" panel found in the VT30s (the VT50s have an "Infinite Black Ultra" panel)."

The implications from CES were just that: The tech from the VT30 was moving down into the ST and GT 50 while the VT50 was getting something new. This stuff applied to the filters and such component of the panel. Obviously, all of them have the new drive system.

So if Panasonic released a 2nd update that completely eliminated the problem which the 1st did not do, would you call that a fix as well? And if you did call the 2nd update a fix, how can you possibly call the 1st one a fix as well? Obviously the 1st is not a "fix" because it didn't fix the problem!

The meaning of the word "fix" is entirely relevant in your discussion which you started.

Just pointing out logical errors and loss of objectivity where I see it...

Given the way Panasonic has not supported the resolution of issues with the 2011 models - luminance and color decoding - I will never trust or buy another Pan PDP. Their arrogance and lack of "customer focus" is pathetic. They push em out and walk away. I am hung with a GT30 now, but it will never happen again.

I'm curious who you think has "customer focus". The persistent problems with other brands are (a) as bad if not worse (b) getting less resolution. Panasonic pushed out a luminance update and a color update. For some people they weren't 100% satisfactory, for a lot of people they were. They actually pushed out updates for both problems even though the vast majority of customers never complained / noticed either.

Sounds like customer focus to me.

I think they did well last year and somewhat redeemed themselves, which is why I'm buying a vt50.

There has not been a color update. The color is not correct on VT and GT 2011 models. And Panasonic will not address.

I thought there was a color update that improved color luminance.

My 2008 looks like my ancient, now defunct olevia LCD after it's black rise.
My 2011 looks like this: