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post #241 of 601
We seem to be veering from the topic of the thread...
post #242 of 601
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Originally Posted by dean-l View Post


Speaking of calibrating a VT30 3 days ago; how did it go?

Probably sending back my 2nd 65VT30 to BB, tomorrow. First, was VERY dim, with DARK reds. Second, is quite a bit better, but I'm sick of watching TV in the dark.

I'm "planning" on holding out for the VT50, but I'd LOVE a big 70 or 80 incher, so..... Who knows.

P.S. I don't post there either. Well, can't, actually.

The results were the same as any other VT30 I've calibrated
post #243 of 601
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So how did the VT30 look once you calibrated it (apart from fbr).

Any plans to come to Northern Cal (Bay Area)?

I will be there 2/1-2/4. PM me if you would like to get your display calibrated.
post #244 of 601
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Originally Posted by TheKnobber View Post

Not going to start another debate on the meaning of the word fixed again. Been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt.

Feel free to blindly follow those who you want. Feel free to attack my intelligence. I will feel free to continue to point out logical errors and loss of objectivity where I see it.

FBR isn't fixed-- I'm not a professional calibrater and I can tell you that. 65" ST30, Sucker Punch theatrical cut (blu), scene where they are coming down the stairs to slay the baby dragon... Observable and repeatable and NOT evident on other displays.
post #245 of 601
I'm really hoping with the new redesigned panels they no longer have any of these issues. How long have they been using their previous generation panels for anyway? Since 2009?
post #246 of 601
I think Neo PDP started in 2009, not sure how they have evolved though.
post #247 of 601
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Originally Posted by AtDaBeach View Post

I think Neo PDP started in 2009, not sure how they have evolved though.

Unfortunately, not as well as I had hoped.
post #248 of 601
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

No

So I'm assuming it is between 5 and 10 lumens? 7 lumens?
post #249 of 601
I was looking for more features
post #250 of 601
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Originally Posted by AuDiOBoY529 View Post

So I'm assuming it is between 5 and 10 lumens? 7 lumens?

Plasma hasn't even hit 5. I believe they have just given up for whatever reason.
post #251 of 601
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Originally Posted by DaveZ06 View Post

Plasma hasn't even hit 5. I believe they have just given up for whatever reason.

I doubt the technology ever proved to be manufacturable for any reasonable cost. And at this point, the odds of any huge breakthrough in PDP is so slim it's almost pointless to consider.
post #252 of 601
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Originally Posted by JimP View Post

That looks like a mispost. The VX300 (the replacemnt to the VX200) came out a few months ago. http://panasonic.net/prodisplays/pro...ema/vx300.html

Does anyone know the rice of the Panny 85 inch vx200, will the vx300 have a 85 inch set. what are thge rices of these TV's???? I love the all black bezels of these tv's. Are they much better than the VT50 series?
post #253 of 601
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Does anyone know the rice of the Panny 85 inch vx200, will the vx300 have a 85 inch set. what are thge rices of these TV's???? I love the all black bezels of these tv's. Are they much better than the VT50 series?

The Pro 85" VX200 is about $30K. Would be a sweet panel, but not at that price. Half the price and I'm in. Panny is targeting a different market with this line. Too bad they are not competing in the consumer market for large sets, especially since they are already making them! Tough competition from the 80" Sharp LCD streeting for about $4K.
post #254 of 601
the new 85VX200 wil be out this fall and prevued this April

i heard something about about zero lag phosphor 4k resolution a few other things but this is just heresay.
post #255 of 601
Ummmmm....
post #256 of 601
Wait, neopdp was never 5 lumen tech?????
post #257 of 601
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Originally Posted by gmarceau View Post

Wait, neopdp was never 5 lumen tech?????

No. I would imagine at this point it's something nobody wants to dump the research and development into. Anyway, I'm curious to know just how much faster the phosphors are on on the new 3D models.
post #258 of 601
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Originally Posted by DaveZ06 View Post

Plasma hasn't even hit 5. I believe they have just given up for whatever reason.

One advantage of cutting back on power is a tick darker blacks...EVERYTHING is darker.

V10 V25 V30
post #259 of 601
Does anyone know if the P**ST50 series will have 96 or 120 Hz to play 24P native, without inverse telecine? (Like the VT30 and my 4 year old RPTV). Specs mentions 24P smoothing but this appears to be motion smoothing which I would not use.
post #260 of 601
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Originally Posted by dean-l View Post

One advantage of cutting back on power is a tick darker blacks...EVERYTHING is darker.

V10 V25 V30

I thought the opposite was true?
post #261 of 601
Is the 2012 TC-P42UT50 supposed to be an upgrade from the TC-P42ST30? Or are only the ST50's truly upgrades from the ST30 models?
post #262 of 601
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Originally Posted by mrkdilkington View Post

Is the 2012 TC-P42UT50 supposed to be an upgrade from the TC-P42ST30? Or are only the ST50's truly upgrades from the ST30 models?

From Panasonic's press release, it seems the ST50s (and GT50s) will have a new "Infinite Black Pro" panel which is the successor to the "Infinite Black 2" panel found in the ST30s (and GT30s) and is presumably an upgrade. It's not clear whether this is the same as the "Infinite Black Pro 2" panel found in the VT30s (the VT50s have an "Infinite Black Ultra" panel).

It also doesn't say what the UT50 will have, but it's pretty clear it's not the "Pro". If the UT50 has the Infinite Black 2 panel (as ARTICLE ONE below says), then I would imagine the UT50 should be more or less the same as the ST30 in terms of PQ.

But it's not clear where that article is getting its info, as another article on the same site (ARTICLE TWO below) says the UT50 will have the same "Infinite Black" panel as the S30. It's not clear if that's a typo and they mean "Infinite Black 2" and ST30 (Panasonic's materials for the S30 make no mention of any Infinite Black panel, FWIW), or if the UT50 will really have the same black level performance as the S30, in which case it's a downgrade from the ST30 and we 42" buyers should be running out to snap up an ST30 before they're gone.

Edited to add:
It seems AVS Forum won't let me link to this site, so you'll have to take out the spaces in the URLs below manually:

ARTICLE ONE: http:// reviews.plasma tv buying guide.com/panasonic-plasma-tv/panasonic-ut50-features.html

ARTICLE TWO: http:// reviews.plasma tv buying guide.com/panasonic-plasma-tv/panasonic-tcp42ut50.html
post #263 of 601
"From Panasonic's press release, it seems the ST50s (and GT50s) will have a new "Infinite Black Pro" panel which is the successor to the "Infinite Black 2" panel found in the ST30s (and GT30s) and is presumably an upgrade. It's not clear whether this is the same as the "Infinite Black Pro 2" panel found in the VT30s (the VT50s have an "Infinite Black Ultra" panel)."

The implications from CES were just that: The tech from the VT30 was moving down into the ST and GT 50 while the VT50 was getting something new. This stuff applied to the filters and such component of the panel. Obviously, all of them have the new drive system.
post #264 of 601
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Originally Posted by TheKnobber View Post

Not going to start another debate on the meaning of the word fixed again. Been there, done that, bought the T-Shirt.

Feel free to blindly follow those who you want. Feel free to attack my intelligence. I will feel free to continue to point out logical errors and loss of objectivity where I see it.

So if Panasonic released a 2nd update that completely eliminated the problem which the 1st did not do, would you call that a fix as well? And if you did call the 2nd update a fix, how can you possibly call the 1st one a fix as well? Obviously the 1st is not a "fix" because it didn't fix the problem!

The meaning of the word "fix" is entirely relevant in your discussion which you started.

Just pointing out logical errors and loss of objectivity where I see it...
post #265 of 601
Given the way Panasonic has not supported the resolution of issues with the 2011 models - luminance and color decoding - I will never trust or buy another Pan PDP. Their arrogance and lack of "customer focus" is pathetic. They push em out and walk away. I am hung with a GT30 now, but it will never happen again.
post #266 of 601
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Originally Posted by ken325i View Post

Given the way Panasonic has not supported the resolution of issues with the 2011 models - luminance and color decoding - I will never trust or buy another Pan PDP. Their arrogance and lack of "customer focus" is pathetic. They push em out and walk away. I am hung with a GT30 now, but it will never happen again.

I'm curious who you think has "customer focus". The persistent problems with other brands are (a) as bad if not worse (b) getting less resolution. Panasonic pushed out a luminance update and a color update. For some people they weren't 100% satisfactory, for a lot of people they were. They actually pushed out updates for both problems even though the vast majority of customers never complained / noticed either.

Sounds like customer focus to me.
post #267 of 601
I think they did well last year and somewhat redeemed themselves, which is why I'm buying a vt50.
post #268 of 601
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Originally Posted by rogo View Post

I'm curious who you think has "customer focus". The persistent problems with other brands are (a) as bad if not worse (b) getting less resolution. Panasonic pushed out a luminance update and a color update. For some people they weren't 100% satisfactory, for a lot of people they were. They actually pushed out updates for both problems even though the vast majority of customers never complained / noticed either.

Sounds like customer focus to me.

There has not been a color update. The color is not correct on VT and GT 2011 models. And Panasonic will not address.
post #269 of 601
I thought there was a color update that improved color luminance.
post #270 of 601
My 2008 looks like my ancient, now defunct olevia LCD after it's black rise.
My 2011 looks like this:
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