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post #571 of 601
55ST50 is at bestbuy now. Wow, Panasonic really needs to hire someone to help with their bezel design. I wouldn't say it was ugly, but the style definitely looks about 2-3 years old (again). They had it sitting between two LED sets (a 2011 Samsung and a really sharp looking 2012 LG IPS panel) and right around the corner from a new 2012 LG plasma-- the Panasonic just looked dated by comparison.

Of course, picture quality was impossible to discern under the bright store lighting. I was actually able to fumble through the menus a bit but it never looked anything but dim and washed out. Blacks were surprisingly mediocre despite the louvre filter. Of course, these problems go away once you get the set home but considering the contrast and color that the LG sitting right besides it was able to achieve in the same environment it's no wonder plasma sales are flagging at the big-box-retailers. LED was made for the store environment!
post #572 of 601
Since people watch TV at home, and not in the store, maybe it's the "store environment" that's the problem rather than display design.

But I guess that's just crazy talk.
post #573 of 601
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Originally Posted by rmongiovi View Post

Since people watch TV at home, and not in the store, maybe it's the "store environment" that's the problem rather than display design.

But I guess that's just crazy talk.

Wow. You know what else is crazy? Reading posts... That's exactly what I said: that the store doesn't do these sets any favors. I mean, they don't even TRY to demonstrate these in a positive light. Try reading next time before you get all sassy-pants. You might avoid looking... You know what? I already have one warning.

Have a GREAT day!
post #574 of 601
You *really* want to know what's crazy? Taking criticism of the fact that manufacturers design TVs to excel in the showroom as a personal attack.

I think it's called "paranoia."
post #575 of 601
I've been reading the threads for a little while now and have been trying to filter through all of the great info, but I'm still having some trouble figuring everything out. I apologize ahead of time if this would fit in somewhere else. Here is my situation:

I own 3 LCDs with the main one being a 46' Samsung. Now that I have moved into a new house I'm looking for a new 55' for the living room (vaulted ceiling with a decent amount of natural light). I'm really interested in the new ST50/GT50s from what I have read around here. I have never owned a plasma, but do know that Panasonic has a good reputation and have viewed a few that look great. I'm on the fence with going with an edge lit LED vs plasma. I really don't want to deal with any uniformity or light bleeding problems, but I don't know much about breaking plasmas in or the extra steps to take care of one.

I will be watching mostly hd cable (a lot of sports), blu ray movies and content streamed through an apple tv. I wouldn't call my eye for picture quality superior, but I can spot some flaws when I see them.

I guess my questions are..will the plasma work out in the living room setting? Will the plasma still look good without TONS of tinkering with the settings (I will probably do some minor things that I find on here to suit my needs)? Also I just wanted to make sure that I won't have to deal with IR or anything like that even when the tv is on for extended periods of time if I forget to turn it off.

My budget is around 2,000..give or take a little.

I really appreciate any opinions that you guys could offer up.

Thanks,
Aaron
post #576 of 601
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Originally Posted by abarrows09 View Post

I've been reading the threads for a little while now and have been trying to filter through all of the great info, but I'm still having some trouble figuring everything out. I apologize ahead of time if this would fit in somewhere else. Here is my situation:

I own 3 LCDs with the main one being a 46' Samsung. Now that I have moved into a new house I'm looking for a new 55' for the living room (vaulted ceiling with a decent amount of natural light). I'm really interested in the new ST50/GT50s from what I have read around here. I have never owned a plasma, but do know that Panasonic has a good reputation and have viewed a few that look great. I'm on the fence with going with an edge lit LED vs plasma. I really don't want to deal with any uniformity or light bleeding problems, but I don't know much about breaking plasmas in or the extra steps to take care of one.

I will be watching mostly hd cable (a lot of sports), blu ray movies and content streamed through an apple tv. I wouldn't call my eye for picture quality superior, but I can spot some flaws when I see them.

I guess my questions are..will the plasma work out in the living room setting? Will the plasma still look good without TONS of tinkering with the settings (I will probably do some minor things that I find on here to suit my needs)? Also I just wanted to make sure that I won't have to deal with IR or anything like that even when the tv is on for extended periods of time if I forget to turn it off.

My budget is around 2,000..give or take a little.

I really appreciate any opinions that you guys could offer up.

Thanks,
Aaron

If your living doesn't get direct light or you can control the direct sunlight you should be fine in that respect. Plasmas are not as bright as LED in a bright room.

And of those models will look excellent out of the box and even better if you search hear and follow the topics for changing the picture settings. Of course it will look even better with a pro calibration but we're splitting hairs if you are not a videophile. Blu-rays and HD TV shows (especially those from HBO, etc.) play to the inherent strengths of plasma and should look noticeably better than your LCD's, especially in low light conditions. Sports is a trade-off. Motion is handled much better with plasma and you will see less artifacts. But if you're watching in the daytime you probably won't get the same "pop" as you did with LCD.
post #577 of 601
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Originally Posted by rmongiovi View Post

You *really* want to know what's crazy? Taking criticism of the fact that manufacturers design TVs to excel in the showroom as a personal attack.

I think it's called "paranoia."

Now you act all innocent like. I think it's called not copping.
post #578 of 601
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Originally Posted by abarrows09 View Post

I've been reading the threads for a little while now and have been trying to filter through all of the great info, but I'm still having some trouble figuring everything out. I apologize ahead of time if this would fit in somewhere else. Here is my situation:

I own 3 LCDs with the main one being a 46' Samsung. Now that I have moved into a new house I'm looking for a new 55' for the living room (vaulted ceiling with a decent amount of natural light). I'm really interested in the new ST50/GT50s from what I have read around here. I have never owned a plasma, but do know that Panasonic has a good reputation and have viewed a few that look great. I'm on the fence with going with an edge lit LED vs plasma. I really don't want to deal with any uniformity or light bleeding problems, but I don't know much about breaking plasmas in or the extra steps to take care of one.

I will be watching mostly hd cable (a lot of sports), blu ray movies and content streamed through an apple tv. I wouldn't call my eye for picture quality superior, but I can spot some flaws when I see them.

I guess my questions are..will the plasma work out in the living room setting? Will the plasma still look good without TONS of tinkering with the settings (I will probably do some minor things that I find on here to suit my needs)? Also I just wanted to make sure that I won't have to deal with IR or anything like that even when the tv is on for extended periods of time if I forget to turn it off.

My budget is around 2,000..give or take a little.

I really appreciate any opinions that you guys could offer up.

Thanks,
Aaron

I had an lcd and switched over the plasma. plasma picture is so much better and none of that leak bleed in the corners either. there are some rules that you need to follow on the plasma. they are pretty simple. the PQ is so good on the plasma. its like night and day between the lcd and plasma. enjoy.

Jacob
post #579 of 601
The GT50s are available now, kinda surprised nobody has one and no reviews yet.
post #580 of 601
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Originally Posted by mnc View Post

The GT50s are available now, kinda surprised nobody has one and no reviews yet.

Writing a review takes some time and how long has the GT50 been out? A few days?

Some first impressions over at AVForums. Looking good, so far.
post #581 of 601
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Originally Posted by Voz View Post

Writing a review takes some time and how long has the GT50 been out? A few days?

Some first impressions over at AVForums. Looking good, so far.

Calibration alone takes several hours.
post #582 of 601
in general, how much should extended warranty plans add to the bottom line price? Extra 3 years, or is it 5 years?
post #583 of 601
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Originally Posted by Voz View Post

Writing a review takes some time and how long has the GT50 been out? A few days?

Some first impressions over at AVForums. Looking good, so far.

Thanks for the heads up! I didn't know about that forum, I will check it out.
post #584 of 601
Anyone have a solid list of the differences between vt30 and vt50 and what the new 65" price is?
post #585 of 601
I know it might be too early to ask but does any one have an idea about the difference between the ST50 and GT50 series picture quality? I would like to get the GT but I'm not sure if Sears will be stocking it and I have a credit there so have to buy from them.
many thanks
post #586 of 601
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Originally Posted by mauidj View Post

I know it might be too early to ask but does any one have an idea about the difference between the ST50 and GT50 series picture quality? I would like to get the GT but I'm not sure if Sears will be stocking it and I have a credit there so have to buy from them.
many thanks

Sears will not be offering the GT50. UT50 in stores, ST50 on-line (orderable through stores), and supposedly Sears will be offering 1 size (not confirmed which yet) of the VT50 in select stores (orderable through other stores) and most likely online.

Edit: Correction. Just read news from an Inventory analyst that the GT series is "in the works". Stay tuned, it may be offered. If the GT is "Online Only" though, and your credit came from a replacement on a warranty, you will not beable to get it.
post #587 of 601
I'm not sure about the US but BestBuy Canada's website just started populating with some of the 2012 Panasonic models. Currently they have listed the 50" U50, UT50 and ST50 as well as the 55" UT50, ST50, GT50 and VT50. In 65", they only have the 65VT50 listed right now and it looks like its MSRP is $500 less than the VT30's MSRP ($4499 vs $4999) but the latter is heavily discounted to clear. Not sure if these are just placeholders or the actual products are in their warehouses.
post #588 of 601
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Originally Posted by abarrows09 View Post

I've been reading the threads for a little while now and have been trying to filter through all of the great info, but I'm still having some trouble figuring everything out. I apologize ahead of time if this would fit in somewhere else. Here is my situation:

I own 3 LCDs with the main one being a 46' Samsung. Now that I have moved into a new house I'm looking for a new 55' for the living room (vaulted ceiling with a decent amount of natural light). I'm really interested in the new ST50/GT50s from what I have read around here. I have never owned a plasma, but do know that Panasonic has a good reputation and have viewed a few that look great. I'm on the fence with going with an edge lit LED vs plasma. I really don't want to deal with any uniformity or light bleeding problems, but I don't know much about breaking plasmas in or the extra steps to take care of one.

I will be watching mostly hd cable (a lot of sports), blu ray movies and content streamed through an apple tv. I wouldn't call my eye for picture quality superior, but I can spot some flaws when I see them.

I guess my questions are..will the plasma work out in the living room setting? Will the plasma still look good without TONS of tinkering with the settings (I will probably do some minor things that I find on here to suit my needs)? Also I just wanted to make sure that I won't have to deal with IR or anything like that even when the tv is on for extended periods of time if I forget to turn it off.

My budget is around 2,000..give or take a little.

I really appreciate any opinions that you guys could offer up.

Thanks,
Aaron

I think you would be very happy with the plasma. When I bought my first a few years back I was on the fence of what to get. But after looking at LCD/LED at friends' homes I could not stand the picture you get with those sets (I call it the soap opera effect-- but I am sure this forum has a more technical term ).

I bought the first plasma and have never looked back....Even with only minor tinkering with the settings my TVs have looked good out of the box. Of course, one trick is to avoid reading too much in these forums after you get the TV, you are bound to start seeing green blobs and pink elephants on your screen.
post #589 of 601
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Originally Posted by manfr42720 View Post

I think you would be very happy with the plasma. When I bought my first a few years back I was on the fence of what to get. But after looking at LCD/LED at friends' homes I could not stand the picture you get with those sets (I call it the soap opera effect-- but I am sure this forum has a more technical term ).

I bought the first plasma and have never looked back....Even with only minor tinkering with the settings my TVs have looked good out of the box. Of course, one trick is to avoid reading too much in these forums after you get the TV, you are bound to start seeing green blobs and pink elephants on your screen.

FYI: "The Soap Opera Effect" exists in both modern LCDs and Plasmas, and can be turned off.
post #590 of 601
Doesn't sound like it can be turned off on some of the LG LCD, from reading some of the new LG LM6700 thread there's no way to turn it off.
post #591 of 601
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Originally Posted by Craigslue View Post

Doesn't sound like it can be turned off on some of the LG LCD, from reading some of the new LG LM6700 thread there's no way to turn it off.

That makes almost zero sense.

EDIT: I found some reviews that confirm this. That's pretty stupid (that you can't turn it off).
post #592 of 601
I got two of the Panasonic VIERA TC-P42UT50 42-Inch today.

From looking through the forums the best custom calibration settings so far:

Contrast: +95
Brightness: +57
Color +58 (but optional)
Sharpness +15
Temp: Warm 1
Eco: off
Black Level: Light

And looking around some people are saying to turn off 24p on your BR-player. I'm not really familiar with Panasonic Plasmas, this is my first plasma, but I see to turn of Cats. So far, this is the only calibrations I've been able to find. Some people are also telling me to break in the plasma, "nothing with black bars (widescreen or 4:3) for the first 100 hrs or so. Also avoid gaming and watch out for channel logos, zoom option on the tv that will cut off the logo."

I haven't had a chance to even open the box yet, but I've had a chance to look around for some calibration settings.
post #593 of 601
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Originally Posted by SeijiMuto View Post

I got two of the Panasonic VIERA TC-P42UT50 42-Inch today.

From looking through the forums the best custom calibration settings so far:

Contrast: +95
Brightness: +57
Color +58 (but optional)
Sharpness +15
Temp: Warm 1
Eco: off
Black Level: Light

And looking around some people are saying to turn off 24p on your BR-player. I'm not really familiar with Panasonic Plasmas, this is my first plasma, but I see to turn of Cats. So far, this is the only calibrations I've been able to find. Some people are also telling me to break in the plasma, "nothing with black bars (widescreen or 4:3) for the first 100 hrs or so. Also avoid gaming and watch out for channel logos, zoom option on the tv that will cut off the logo."

I haven't had a chance to even open the box yet, but I've had a chance to look around for some calibration settings.

Where did you get the P42UT50, local BM or online? I am about to pull the plug and purchase one but there are none locally.
post #594 of 601
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Originally Posted by rfeng View Post

Where did you get the P42UT50, local BM or online? I am about to pull the plug and purchase one but there are none locally.

Originally, I was going to buy it from Amazon for the $700 price tag, then the shipping was almost $300 (I bought two of them). What's strange is that the price at Amazon is now $800. Maybe Amazon's vendor sold out so they're going with another one right now

I bought them from newegg.com for $800, no tax, free shipping, it ended up saving me money even though I was paying more for the actual HDTV set. The vendor at Amazon had a lower price, but the shipping was a joke.
post #595 of 601
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Originally Posted by SeijiMuto View Post

I got two of the Panasonic VIERA TC-P42UT50 42-Inch today.

From looking through the forums the best custom calibration settings so far:

Contrast: +95
Brightness: +57
Color +58 (but optional)
Sharpness +15
Temp: Warm 1
Eco: off
Black Level: Light

And looking around some people are saying to turn off 24p on your BR-player. I'm not really familiar with Panasonic Plasmas, this is my first plasma, but I see to turn of Cats. So far, this is the only calibrations I've been able to find. Some people are also telling me to break in the plasma, "nothing with black bars (widescreen or 4:3) for the first 100 hrs or so. Also avoid gaming and watch out for channel logos, zoom option on the tv that will cut off the logo."

I haven't had a chance to even open the box yet, but I've had a chance to look around for some calibration settings.

Why would you need to turn off 24p on a BD player?
post #596 of 601
This thread seems to be the best place to ask this question. I've seen some updates for other models here but not specific to the 60". Has anyone heard when the 60" ST50's will arrive at Best Buy? I've asked several store employees and nobody knows. Amazon and many other stores have them available already. In this case, I need to purchase at BB so I'm playing the waiting game. Of course, it's hard to be patient as I've been looking forward to this new toy for some time now.
post #597 of 601
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Originally Posted by mantiz View Post

Why would you need to turn off 24p on a BD player?

This was from a review I read over at Amazons review of this set, and I quote: "My advice is to turn off 24p playback on your bluray player to avoid a headache inducing flicker and the home camcorder soap opera look that a lot of TVs have these days."

That's why I cam here, just to get some helpful advice for a newbie Panasonic plasma owner. Anything that will help improve picture quality and experience I'm all hears, um, eyes in this case.
post #598 of 601
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Originally Posted by captg8r View Post

This thread seems to be the best place to ask this question. I've seen some updates for other models here but not specific to the 60". Has anyone heard when the 60" ST50's will arrive at Best Buy? I've asked several store employees and nobody knows. Amazon and many other stores have them available already. In this case, I need to purchase at BB so I'm playing the waiting game. Of course, it's hard to be patient as I've been looking forward to this new toy for some time now.

Best Buy only gets the 55ST50 in the store this year. You'll have to get a GT if you want 60"
post #599 of 601
One thing I've noticed with the UT50, is that if you see flashing cameras going off quickly, or every so often at NHL/NBA game you'll notice the picture breaking up a bit. I'm not sure the exact term, but's it would be like how a video camera sees a crt monitor or tube television, thick bars going up the screen quickly.

Is there any setting or fix?

In my research for a good plasma other had complained about this with Panasonic Plasma sets, especially hockey games. I noticed it real bad when my grandma was watching a show about celebs and the paparazzi was shooting away with their camera's.
post #600 of 601
I have the kuro 6010 and am looking to get a new tv like the 65vt50 but will it be a big improvement in pq
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