'Survivor: One World' Season 24 on CBS HD - Page 5

Oh my, the eye candy during that reward challenge was insane. My eyes hurt from darting back and forth trying to take it all in.

Colton, the gay guy, wow, he never even tried to fit in with the guys or try. To sit in a swing and do nothing is not helping his cause any.

it appears that nina waited too long to start playing the social game. i understand that she thought kat was worthless and witless but if you want to survive, you have to suck it up and put on a good face (which i guess was hard for her to do since hers got busted up ). i would think chelsea and kim would want to take over and run the tribe but they look like they might be too timid to do it.

tarzan: at least put some shorts on! ugh

Only because they naturally look for young hot people to cast then later cast a few older people so the show doesn't look shallow.

Once again they recycled a challenge from Vanuatu which in that season the women had completely destroyed the men making them look like a bunch of uncoordinated monkeys. In Vanuatu the women quickly spaced themselves and cooperated like a machine while the guys bumped into each other and fell into the drink. Even those women had no problem getting around Ami's fake boobs so I don't know idea what these women's excuse is.

They're running out of challenges where the women are supposed to have a natural advantage. If Salami doesn't get their act together, there will probably be a tribe shake-up pretty soon.

I was tired of her about 15 minutes into the first episode . . .

I told my wife that last night while watching....I said they should make sure all the contestants one season are all within 3 or 4 years of age of each other...that way the young/old doesn't factor in.

After the second oldest member of Tagi had been voted off, Rudy immediately saw this as a potential problem for him so he sat down with the other people who weren't fitting in with the tribe and said some things about strategy that are still true. He said that he's a military man so he naturally expects everyone to conform to what he expects, but he knew damn well that this is not how this game works. If they were going to have any chance in this game, it was going to be their mission (meaning he and his older tribe mates) to conform and fit in with the younger majority, what we now call playing "the social game". They did. It worked. Grouchy Rudy even struck an unlikely friendship with Rich.

After that, Tagi did not vote off Rudy or Susan. They voted off two twenty-somethings who to the majority appeared to be useless or potential threats.

And that's how you play the game of Survivor. Rudy didn't even have what's now called an alliance but he didn't need to form one to communicate his strategy.

People keep saying the game has changed so much. No, the passive oblivious dumbasses they keep casting on this show is what has changed. It's as if they're somehow purposely casting the most ill-equipped people for the game of Survivor just so we can watch them fail every week. Because Nina had not bothered with any social game, her tribe stuck with a member who has demonstrated no abilities other than being blond and dumb.

There have been older players in excellent shape who could wipe the beach with many of the younger players. Survivor has a history of casting ripped men who have frozen under the pressure of challenges or couldn't swim.

If players make the mistake of thinking a person's numerical age is more important than their physical condition, they deserve to lose. If numerical age were eliminated as a factor, they'd just fixate on some other meaningless factor to eliminate someone, like what state they were from, what party they were affiliated with, what look they gave them yesterday, and so on.

It seemed like many people were wearing just their underwear early in the episode, until they all magically had clean new swim suits for the challenge. Obviously if you are stranded on a tropical island, these things just appear from thin air.

You really think these morons have "examined" all 24 seasons? Cochran may have. Sure did him a lot of good.

Look at the 21st season in Nicaragua. How do you think grouchy 56 year old Jane managed to make it to 6th place? By putting away her grouchiness and making herself useful with the youngsters. How do you think 63 year old Dan manged to make it to 5th place? He hung out with the younger guys and told great stories (which were edited out). How do you think 67 year old Coach Jimmy Johnson got voted off? By being a bossy coach and giving up on his tribe when they were losing. What Rudy said is true then and is true today. If you do your best to fit in with your tribe and help identify other threats, you can be in your 70's get far in the game.


It had everything to do with being blond and dumb. She's not a threat so when she blows another challenge everyone knows she's the next to go. I'm sure they didn't keep her just because she's the youngest member on their tribe.

Surely you can remember many cases of alliance betrayal that worked in the traitor's favor back when Survivor was a fun show (Twila's fake alliance with the men put her in the FTC). You stay true to your alliance until something better comes up. Since recent players rarely do anything until they're at the bottom of their alliance and they lose a challenge (unthinkable!), that rarely happens now. The game is the same, the players are different.

As for my need to post history, you brought up Rudy!

I have to agree that these days, where the alliance is formed in the first two minutes of meeting the group, the oldest person is always going to be excluded from the alliance.

And even though RI is gone and the reward challenge is back, the Survivor producers still didn't use it to drive a wedge into an alliance this week.

I think the mistake the producers made was not taking into account that not just one, but almost every woman on this team has enormous bolt-ons (Kim being the only exception). And since bolt-ons don't mash down like the real thing, it's like having two pairs of cantaloupes pushing their upper bodies apart for this team.

They do that in many (most?) of the seasons. Make the contestants start out with no suits and then provide them at some point into the game. I'm thinking they decided to go early this year just to get "Tarzan" covered up a bit...

It really seems like the idea of forming a core alliance right from the get go has supplanted the strategy of keeping a strong team to endure the earlier eliminations. The women's alliance seemed like they were pretty much resigned to thinking they were not going to have any chance in the challenges anyway, so they decided to just look long term past tribe shakeups/merge I guess. And because of the way things started out, the idea of having two teams on the same beach to promote interaction seems to have gotten off the tracks as well. Unless something swings around soon, they probably will throw in a a mix up sooner than later to try to stir things up.



ron

But not in a homosexual kind of way.

I'm not saying the youger players are any physically better than some of the older ones, but it seems that they DO make the mistake of voting off based on physical age......and yes, they may lose....but it doesn't help the older folks that were voted off way earlier than they should have been.

If the guys that Colton told he has the idol don't tell the others and then vote for him and flush it out, then they are idiots. Sure, they will lose someone else, but at least it will get the idol out of play and then they can boot his ass next time.

You can never really tell from the editing of course, but those guys seemed pretty stoked about their "misfits" team having a leg up on the alpha guys (at least the sushi guy Jonas anyway). Unless the alpha alliance pulls someone away they currently only have four members. Why would someone agree to go with them now, only to become the definite bottom of their alliance? Why would the misfit guys want to cut their numbers advantage down and give a better chance to the alpha guys to pick them off? Will the women ever win a challenge to make it matter anyway


ron

They kept her b/c she was in the alliance in large part because socially they had become friends, which was aided in large part because of their commonality (being young and similar interests).

Yeah, they doubted her ability thanks in part to Nina's scrambling, but the decision was based on Survivor 101 if you will, stay true to your alliance. If they voted Kat out, no one in the remaining 4 would've trusted each other and rightfully so. What if Chelsea had a bad challenge next time? She would be at risk, etc.

mkdragn is correct.

Why did two people who aren't in the alliance also vote for Nina? What "alliance" were they sticking to?


Meaning you just agree with him.

It's because the older people are usually in a minority and they don't do what Rudy learned in the first season: bond with the younger players or pack your bags. The ones that have (Jane and Dan from Nicaragua) can stay around for a long time even though they are hardly physical specimens for winning challenges.

The biggest handicap is being female. Every season since Gabon, the first person voted off has been a female. Women tend to go early leaving the ones who know how to play the game.

This is common practice as well as they are trying to show they are part of the tribe and unified. It likely won't work but when the numbers were against them at vote time, what else could they do. It is probably the smarter decision but in effect, it won't help.

Put yourself in the shoes of someone in the young girl alliance. It would be foolish to get rid of Kat before Nina. You would be in danger of losing numbers. You think Nina who feels like an outcast and has not hid her contempt would now side with them? Of course not. Also, there would only be the core 4 left and everyone would be wondering if they might be next - the trust would be not be the same. Throw in hidden immunity idol, it is too much of a gamble to rid one of your own.

The only benefit and I think it is marginal is that Nina might perform better at challenges going forward and I don't think this is an absolute or that the difference will be that substantial. Kat obviously was terrible in the last one, but I don't think she will be THAT bad going forward and it's not like Nina has shown much (i.e. barely getting by).

Reward not worth the risk. They calculated it right, one of the few things the girls have done right.

Well, there is that. And I'm sure he'll get worse too. But we do have just a bit less at stake than those guys


ron

why did the nfl player's wife vote for christina? that didn't make any sense to me.

I'm not sure what the thinking was on that one, possibly to plant the seed to the others that hey, yeah, christina would be a good candidate to go next.

what ex-nfl player is she married too? I am guessing someone not famous like Eddie George.