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post #631 of 1026
4/19/12 at 5:10am
At this point even if Troyzan gets to the final two, nobody is going to vote for him to win after the way he carried on after winning immunity. He needs to just keep his mouth shut. And what's up with Tarzan voting for Leif?
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post #632 of 1026
4/19/12 at 5:15am
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And what's up with Tarzan voting for Leif?

My guess would be helping to make sure that Leif is the one going home and not him. Content to crawl forward one more place.

It' sfunny to remeber how close someone like Kat was to being (rightfully) voted off in the second episode. And now she has an assured final 4 spot.
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post #633 of 1026
4/19/12 at 5:20am
Troy was a total schmuck tonight, from his misogyny (women burn men soon as they don't need them?) to his vote-burning (why insult Christina if he wants her tribal vote now and jury vote later?) to his whining martyrdom. Listen, dummy, you wouldn't be so alone if you hadn't gone along with Colton's plan to sacrifice a male for no reason, if you hadn't helped boot Jonas, if you hadn't been so quick to kick Mike in the balls on his way out. Why is he whining so much about the bed he had a HUGE part in making?

He is essentially correct to try to persuade Alicia and Christina to vote with him against the higher-ups in the girls tribe, but he sure made a spastic, slobbering mess of doing it. There's no great advantage to their taking him up, though, in essence trading a 4th-and-5th place with a smart player and solid alliance for a 4th-and-5th in a shaky one with a weak leader. (Ironic that Troy's play, and the men's all season, has been emotional, hysterical even, while the women's has been mostly logical and rational.) Loved that Kim didn't even play her idol, had her tribe split their votes as insurance, and still kept their advantage.
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post #634 of 1026
4/19/12 at 5:27am
Unbelievable. The one time they have to make a change in the game yet they don't do it. Christian really must be stupid to think she makes it any further when it is just women left. Even though I am rooting for Troy, he did create this scenerio by not voting off a woman. It is their fault they got into this from the beginning but oh well, gotta get behind someone know.
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post #635 of 1026
4/19/12 at 5:48am
I'm conflicted. I'd love to see Troyzan win every immunity challenge to screw up the women's plans but then again, the men cursed themselves when they volunteered to go to tribal council so none of those men deserve to win.

Best part of the night was the auction. Cat was surprised to find bacon in her BLT!
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post #636 of 1026
4/19/12 at 6:39am
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Where are the big plays .. ?? Why do Christina / Alicia / etc not see the writing on the wall .. ?? Not only would booting Kim improve chances with the jury due to some degree of respect being earned but it would improve chances of actually getting to the finals ..

I'm with Troy .. he had every right to throw down when he won the challenge .. I don't know how much farther he'll go, but I hope he's sitting at final tribal ..
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post #637 of 1026
4/19/12 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by WS65711 View Post

At this point even if Troyzan gets to the final two, nobody is going to vote for him to win after the way he carried on after winning immunity. He needs to just keep his mouth shut. And what's up with Tarzan voting for Leif?

Its actually a decent strategy (even if its unintentional) if you think about it. Why not bring Troyzan to the end with you? He's pretty much burned every possible bridge. First he voted off Jonas, then he backstabbed Mike. And now he has pissed off every single other person still in the game. He's turning into the perfect goat.

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Troy was a total schmuck tonight, from his misogyny (women burn men soon as they don't need them?) to his vote-burning (why insult Christina if he wants her tribal vote now and jury vote later?) to his whining martyrdom. Listen, dummy, you wouldn't be so alone if you hadn't gone along with Colton's plan to sacrifice a male for no reason, if you hadn't helped boot Jonas, if you hadn't been so quick to kick Mike in the balls on his way out. Why is he whining so much about the bed he had a HUGE part in making?

I agree, he basically dug his own grave. But, I will say that it was refreshing to finally have an episode where somebody presented a logical argument to Christine and Alicia for turning on the other girls. Those four girls have been running this game from Day 1 and somebody is finally trying to do something about it. Troyzan is a day late and a dollar short, but at least he gave the other idiots something to think about.

I don't have any solutions, but the producers of this show need to figure out a way to eliminate these players who just hang on and refuse to make any kind of strategic moves (aka pawns). I know every season has them, but it just seems like there have been way too many lately.
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post #638 of 1026
4/19/12 at 7:44am
Cant believe nobody has commented on the biggest revelation from last nights episode!

Im talking about Tarzan mentioning that he wanted to keep the $500 from the auction to fix his jeep that has needed new shocks for 3 months.

Seems strange to me a surgeon couldnt come up with $500 to fix his car...
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post #639 of 1026
4/19/12 at 7:47am
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Cant believe nobody has commented on the biggest revelation from last nights episode!

Im talking about Tarzan mentioning that he wanted to keep the $500 from the auction to fix his jeep that has needed new shocks for 3 months.

Seems strange to me a surgeon couldnt come up with $500 to fix his car...

I've got a brother in law that's a millionaire several times over and still changes his own oil, drives a 20 year old vehicle and agonizes over every nickel .. it's not about being able to afford it, it's about not wanting to spend the money ..
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post #640 of 1026
4/19/12 at 8:16am
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Where are the big plays .. ?? Why do Christina / Alicia / etc not see the writing on the wall .. ?? Not only would booting Kim improve chances with the jury due to some degree of respect being earned but it would improve chances of actually getting to the finals ..

I'm with Troy .. he had every right to throw down when he won the challenge .. I don't know how much farther he'll go, but I hope he's sitting at final tribal ..

Christine is a complete idiot for
A) Not bidding $500 for the challenge advantage
B) Not flipping when she saw the writing

Same for Alicia on the not flipping part.
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post #641 of 1026
4/19/12 at 8:26am
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Christine is a complete idiot for
A) Not bidding $500 for the challenge advantage
B) Not flipping when she saw the writing

Same for Alicia on the not flipping part.

Troyzan wasn't so bright either. He had said going in he wanted to bypass food and save his money for the "advantage". Why didn't he bid $500 immediately? Why play nickle and dime and risk losing it to Christina?
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post #642 of 1026
4/19/12 at 8:47am
It's possible. Don't remember the series name but the "Surfer Dude" won a series of challenges and IIRC, he won the $1M.
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post #643 of 1026
4/19/12 at 8:51am
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Seems strange to me a surgeon couldnt come up with $500 to fix his car...

He probably forgot that he told everyone he's a surgeon and has gone back to his feigned-poverty act.

I think Christina is hoping to make a move after Troyzan gets voted off. She knows that an alliance with Alicia and Troyzan would only buy her a few days. Better to keep her options open now while there are guys to vote off.

A lot of drama could happen between now and the final four. Kim could choose to do Chelsea in early (or vise-versa) before she gets too close to the FTC and need Christina's vote, for example. Christina would be a good goat for the FTC too. It may not be another simple Pagong.
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post #644 of 1026
4/19/12 at 8:52am
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I've got a brother in law that's a millionaire several times over and still changes his own oil, drives a 20 year old vehicle and agonizes over every nickel .. it's not about being able to afford it, it's about not wanting to spend the money ..

I know a guy like that also. He and his wife have no kids, own three big houses (their only real concession to luxury), and shop at bargain stores, discount grocery no-name brand grocery stores, do not have HDTV or cable, and drive old vehicles at least 15-20 years old.
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post #645 of 1026
4/19/12 at 9:05am
no chance Troy will win all the remaining immunity awards. All it takes is one challenge that requires brains over brawn and the women will beat him. He and his male tribe have already shown the men have no chance in the thinking challenges.
I had no sympathy for Troy even before he went loco in last night's episode. He should have seen it coming earlier about the women getting rid of the men, but instead he was petty in getting rid of Jonas and Mike

I really don't understand the logic in Tarzan for voting out 3x men in a row, does he think he has a chance when Troy/Leif went out ?? he has to know the women hate him after the incident where he threw his shorts into the same water they were using for dinner. the sooner the better that Tarzan goes

I feel bad for Leif, he deserved to stick around a little longer
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post #646 of 1026
4/19/12 at 9:09am
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Troyzan wasn't so bright either. He had said going in he wanted to bypass food and save his money for the "advantage". Why didn't he bid $500 immediately? Why play nickle and dime and risk losing it to Christina?

I was amazed by that as well. There were no other prizes to win, and you are haggling over keeping a measly $60? Maybe $40 after taxes? I would think the advantage in the challenge (which was pretty big) would be worth that.
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post #647 of 1026
4/19/12 at 9:20am
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I really don't understand the logic in Tarzan for voting out 3x men in a row, does he think he has a chance when Troy/Leif went out ?? he has to know the women hate him after the incident where he threw his shorts into the same water they were using for dinner. the sooner the better that Tarzan goes

I feel bad for Leif, he deserved to stick around a little longer

It makes one wonder if Tarzan has an agreement with some of those girls that we just haven't seen. I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the girls go before Tarzan. He is the perfect 3rd place goat. He's not sociable and doesn't seem to have made many good impressions. He never really got along with the guys on the jury and voted every single one of them out. Kim, Sabrina and Chelsea should be smart enough to realize that.

As for feeling bad for Leif ... what exactly has he done in this game to deserve to stick around longer? It seems to me like he's been dangling in the wind since Day 1.
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post #648 of 1026
4/19/12 at 9:24am
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I feel bad for Leif, he deserved to stick around a little longer

I don't think he did. He's a perfectly decent guy and I wanted to be able to root for him given all the crap he's probably had to deal with in life, but he wasn't particularly good or even average at any anything. A passive player, he could only hang around on the fringes because he lacked the type of interpersonal skills or strategic insight and creativity to be anything more.
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post #649 of 1026
4/19/12 at 10:04am
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Unbelievable. The one time they have to make a change in the game yet they don't do it. Christian really must be stupid to think she makes it any further when it is just women left............


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Christine is a complete idiot for
A) Not bidding $500 for the challenge advantage
B) Not flipping when she saw the writing

Same for Alicia on the not flipping part.

No, I don't think she is a "complete idiot" because:

A) I suspect she rightly trusted that even if Troyzan were to benefit from the clue, she was still ahead of Leif and Tarzan in terms of voting-out order. And it wouldn't have been easy to take such a quick decisive action to toss ALL of your money away on a single non-food item. Especially when you're desperate for food and you are surrounded by many others who have already bid/won food of their own. Plus, I recognize her personality type and aggressive decisiveness just isn't something she is good at, especially within the context of a stressful environment. She only bid as high as she did because of the goading of the others.

B) Unless she were to have a solid agreement in place with Alicia to flip over to Troyzan's plan, I wouldn't dare flip either. And given the hostility of Alicia towards her in the past, I would be very hesitant to take an active approach with Alicia, in hopes of persuading her to go along with Troyzan's plan. I would be fearful that Alicia would use that against me by tattling to Kim & co. that, "Christina can't be trusted, she tried to get me to flip". Though it would only be a modest improvement, tattling would ensure that Alicia remains at worst #5 in the pecking order and Christina the first woman to go. I say, "at worst", because part of me suspects that Alicia thinks highly enough of herself that she imagines fitting in the top 4 somewhere.
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post #650 of 1026
4/19/12 at 10:37am
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Troyzan wasn't so bright either. He had said going in he wanted to bypass food and save his money for the "advantage". Why didn't he bid $500 immediately? Why play nickle and dime and risk losing it to Christina?

That shocked me too. Why didn't he go right to $500, especially after talking about how much he'd want an advantage? If he didn't get that advantage, decent chance he'd be out of the game now.
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post #651 of 1026
4/19/12 at 10:46am
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Troyzan wasn't so bright either. He had said going in he wanted to bypass food and save his money for the "advantage". Why didn't he bid $500 immediately? Why play nickle and dime and risk losing it to Christina?

I'm pretty sure that while the bidding was going on, someone from the peanut gallery told his competitor to say $500. He was very close to losing that auction time. Why be greedy? There usually aren't even enough items to go around. The best strategy is to wait for what you want and then say $500. Done. No worries.

If you're hungry, you dont care about the immunity advantage, and the first item is donuts an coffee, why bother haggling? Go all in and eat the food. So you might miss a "better" meal or a shower? Who cares. You gaurantee yourself food. I've seen too many auctions end with people still greedily grasping their original $500, waiting for something good.
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post #652 of 1026
4/19/12 at 11:01am
If everyone just said $500, the auction would be boring, the producers cant have that. Now as for not going right to $500 for the advantage in the challenge, yeah I couldn't agree more, dumb move actually bidding. In the past they allowed people to pool their money, so I wonder why they changed that, maybe too easy to team up on Troyzan?
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post #653 of 1026
4/19/12 at 11:42am
Yeah, definitely Troyzan is proving to be quite an idiot out there - although no surprise based on how the season has been going. Like everyone else watching, I was screaming at the TV - "just bid $500, you dummy!". He was really lucky that he still got the challenge advantage. Then ranting at the girls after he won was again a terrible move, as he is just pissing off everyone in the unlikely event that he makes it to the end.

Also, Chelsea is surprising me with her dumb moves of late. Early on I thought she had a real shot at winning, but now, she is just irritating everyone on the jury by mouthing off. Don't know why she has to get her verbal licks in. Just stupid.

Kim's absolute control over the rest of the sheep is masterful right now - getting them to split their votes for insurance, etc. She is playing a great game.
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post #654 of 1026
4/19/12 at 11:44am
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I've seen too many auctions end with people still greedily grasping their original $500, waiting for something good.

Sort of like getting voted out @ TC w/ an immunity idol in your pocket.

If Tarzan hadn't voted for Leif, it would have been a tie 3-3 between him and Leif.
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post #655 of 1026
4/19/12 at 11:59am
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Sort of like getting voted out @ TC w/ an immunity idol in your pocket.

If Tarzan hadn't voted for Leif, it would have been a tie 3-3 between him and Leif.

If Tarzan voted for Kim instead of Leif it would have been a three-way tie between Tarzan, Leif and Kim. Troyzan actually didn't need to convince all 4 (Tarzan, Leif, Christine, Elicia) to join him. If he had been able to convince 3 of them, they could have pushed 4 votes toward Kim and she would have been out (with an immunity idol in her pocket). None of this matters because in the end, he only convinced one.

We keep talking about all of the idiots this season, but I think its worth noting that Kim, Sabrina and Chelsea (to a lesser extent) are all playing pretty solid games up to this point. The problem is that they are all in the same alliance, so its boring.
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post #656 of 1026
4/19/12 at 12:01pm
Top to bottom, this is the dumbest cast of misfits in the history of Survivor. Not only are the dumb, they are not likeable in any sense of the word. Terrible casting this year that sure shows on the screen.
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post #657 of 1026
4/19/12 at 12:29pm
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No, I don't think she is a "complete idiot" because:

A) I suspect she rightly trusted that even if Troyzan were to benefit from the clue, she was still ahead of Leif and Tarzan in terms of voting-out order. And it wouldn't have been easy to take such a quick decisive action to toss ALL of your money away on a single non-food item. Especially when you're desperate for food and you are surrounded by many others who have already bid/won food of their own. Plus, I recognize her personality type and aggressive decisiveness just isn't something she is good at, especially within the context of a stressful environment. She only bid as high as she did because of the goading of the others.

B) Unless she were to have a solid agreement in place with Alicia to flip over to Troyzan's plan, I wouldn't dare flip either. And given the hostility of Alicia towards her in the past, I would be very hesitant to take an active approach with Alicia, in hopes of persuading her to go along with Troyzan's plan. I would be fearful that Alicia would use that against me by tattling to Kim & co. that, "Christina can't be trusted, she tried to get me to flip". Though it would only be a modest improvement, tattling would ensure that Alicia remains at worst #5 in the pecking order and Christina the first woman to go. I say, "at worst", because part of me suspects that Alicia thinks highly enough of herself that she imagines fitting in the top 4 somewhere.

A) Anybody who's watched Surviver in the past knows the auction doesn't go on forever and it would certainly seem logical a challenge assist would be one of the very last things to be auctioned. The women wanted to vote Troyzan out. Somebody needed to take one for the team and Christina should have done it. It wouldn't have guarenteeed the women anything, but it would have given them a better chance of Troyzan not winning immunity.

B) Of course Christina needed to have agreement with Alicia. That is why I said Alicia wasn't being very bright, either.

BTW, Chelsea is also an idiot because she couldn't comprehend that if a new aliance with Tarzan, Troyzan, Lief, Christina, and Alicia was formed that her alliance with Kat, Kim, and Sabrina woukld be down 5-4 and wouldn't have the majority to control the game.

Dumbest cast in Survivor history.
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post #658 of 1026
4/19/12 at 12:50pm
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Top to bottom, this is the dumbest cast of misfits in the history of Survivor. Not only are the dumb, they are not likeable in any sense of the word. Terrible casting this year that sure shows on the screen.

Don't agree with this. It's easy to jump on the "they're all the dumbest" bandwagon but every season there are a lot if dumb players. I also don't think that none of them are likeable either. Troy, who has not played very smartly and with way too much emotion is still likeable to me. Several of the women are easy to root for IMO. There were really only two or three that I have found to be really be unlikeable.


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If Tarzan voted for Kim instead of Leif it would have been a three-way tie between Tarzan, Leif and Kim. Troyzan actually didn't need to convince all 4 (Tarzan, Leif, Christine, Elicia) to join him. If he had been able to convince 3 of them, they could have pushed 4 votes toward Kim and she would have been out (with an immunity idol in her pocket). None of this matters because in the end, he only convinced one.

We keep talking about all of the idiots this season, but I think its worth noting that Kim, Sabrina and Chelsea (to a lesser extent) are all playing pretty solid games up to this point. The problem is that they are all in the same alliance, so its boring.

Yeah, I have no problem with the women doing well, as some of them have played very well and actually deserve it. Back before the season started I said that it looked like some of them might be pretty good, and then after the first couple ep it looked like I was way off base... Since then they have pulled back to make my prediction/guess look a little better


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post #659 of 1026
4/19/12 at 1:02pm
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A)

BTW, Chelsea is also an idiot because she couldn't comprehend that if a new aliance with Tarzan, Troyzan, Lief, Christina, and Alicia was formed that her alliance with Kat, Kim, and Sabrina woukld be down 5-4 and wouldn't have the majority to control the game.

Dumbest cast in Survivor history.

Oh my God, I forgot about that. She kept trying to argue that Troyzan would still get voted off next if he didn't win immunity. She is an idiot.
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post #660 of 1026
4/19/12 at 1:07pm
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Top to bottom, this is the dumbest cast of misfits in the history of Survivor. Not only are the dumb, they are not likeable in any sense of the word. Terrible casting this year that sure shows on the screen.

I agree, when Leif was voted out I found myself thinking. Who cares? I don't recall Leif doing anything other then giving up immunity for three cheeseburgers last week and buying a shake and bananas this week. As for Troy, his bragging about winning every immunity rings hollow, even Ozzy couldn't make it to the final tribal last season with that "strategy".
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