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post #991 of 1026
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

This is what I wished for when they first announced an all-star season. I mean seriously, at the time what did Amber or Boston Rob do to deserve even being there in the 1st all-star season? Nothing as far as I remember. Hell, Boston Rob didn't even make the jury in his original season, yet he was considered an "all-star."

Probst and the producers liked them. Boston Rob was the prototype Russell, jawing off in interviews about how he's fooling every damn one of these idiots, making them think they're in control. They really were in control as he found out after they compared notes and voted his arrogant lying butt off. Probst loves liars and every season he's frustrated that contestants don't weave a tapestry of lies like Rob C. did in Amazon.

Amber was eye-candy -- that's exactly how the All-Star DVD box describes her. She still hadn't found a job yet, she looked great in front of the camera, and Heidi from Amazon wasn't interested (she's smart) so they chose Amber. Her best friend Jerri was going to be on the show too.

The biggest mystery was Shii Ann. She made a fool of herself in Thailand with the fake merge and doing her "Shii-Devil" shtick in interviews like people were really frightened of her. She did appeal to the producers by hating nearly everyone who spoke to her.
post #992 of 1026
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Originally Posted by scowl View Post

Probst and the producers liked them. Boston Rob was the prototype Russell, jawing off in interviews about how he's fooling every damn one of these idiots, making them think they're in control. They really were in control as he found out after they compared notes and voted his arrogant lying butt off. Probst loves liars and every season he's frustrated that contestants don't weave a tapestry of lies like Rob C. did in Amazon.

Then instead of calling it All-Stars, they should just call it like it is.
Survivor: Personalities That Will Get Us Ratings
post #993 of 1026
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

My thought EXACTLY!

This is what I wished for when they first announced an all-star season. I mean seriously, at the time what did Amber or Boston Rob do to deserve even being there in the 1st all-star season? Nothing as far as I remember. Hell, Boston Rob didn't even make the jury in his original season, yet he was considered an "all-star."

No, bring back all the winners and nothing but and let's see who is the best of the best. Damn the personalities and the ratings (yeah, like that would ever happen ).

I think Tina, Vacepia(sp) and Amber are some of the worst winners. While I don't care if I never see "Sole Survivors" Aras, Danni, Chris or Sophie again.Some of the winners just don't make for compelling television.

The Survivors who are invited back are the heroes people love or villains people love to hate. Boston Rob has played four times. James, Steph, Coach, Russell,Rupert, Parvati, Ozzy have played three times. They are interesting characters who make the show entertaining. Ultimately its about ratings, if the ratings keep going down like with One World which EW described as "Kim's World" and a "lackluster" season there's not going to be anymore Survivor. Which could be why they are bringing players back again next season including Penner who will be playing for the third time.
post #994 of 1026
Heroes vs Villains was definitely my favorite season
post #995 of 1026
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Originally Posted by mgkdragn View Post

An all winners season would be great .. and might even boost ratings ..

The only problem I would see is getting enough winners to do it ..

it would be a challenge no doubt. but out of 23 winners i would think they could get enough - surely at least 14-20 of them would be up for it.
post #996 of 1026
I think it would be fun to have a season with all of the people who were voted out first. I bet some of them have game, but never got the chance to compete. It would be harsh for the person voted off first...again!
post #997 of 1026
The Survivor: Champions
1. Brian
2. Richard Hatch (in between prison stints)
3. Ethan
4. Sandra
5. Amber
6. Danni
7. Yul
8. Earl
9. Todd
10. Parvati
11. JT
12. Fabio
13. Boston Rob
14. Sophie
15. Kim
16. Tom or Bob
post #998 of 1026
I think a season comprised of 2nd place finishers would be more interesting. A lot of them were great players - many lost because of bitter voting - and I think they would be a little 'hungrier' for it than past winners. Although there were a few useless players in there too, but certainly no worse than someone like Vecepia.
post #999 of 1026
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Originally Posted by Viventis View Post

I think it would be fun to have a season with all of the people who were voted out first. I bet some of them have game, but never got the chance to compete. It would be harsh for the person voted off first...again!

I've had this exact same thought. We never really *met* most of these people, and some were voted off because of their strong personalities while others were voted off based off nothing more than bad luck. The first person voted off is rarely the worst player, they are usually a victim of circumstance.

I would definitely watch a "second chance" Survivor season. I bet they'd have a fairly easy time rounding these folks up, too. Who wouldn't want that second chance?
post #1000 of 1026
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Originally Posted by rsambuca View Post

I think a season comprised of 2nd place finishers would be more interesting. A lot of them were great players - many lost because of bitter voting - and I think they would be a little 'hungrier' for it than past winners. Although there were a few useless players in there too, but certainly no worse than someone like Vecepia.

That would be interesting.

Or how about only people who were voted off at the first tribal?
post #1001 of 1026
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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post

I don't think so, at least not a significant split. Unfortunately game theory usually comes into play on this:

In regular tribal councils, people look for coalitions of votes instead of just voting without regard to everyone else is voting for out of fear that the vote will be so split that you might go home on very small number of votes (like 8 people left, someone goes home with 3 votes on a 3-2-1-1-1 split).

Same thing for final tribal council. There is a fear (albeit MUCH smaller because the voters in this case are a jury who isn't winning anything) that a person you don't want to win will win with a plurality (and not majority) because the vote gets split.

Putting game theory aside, to get such an interesting split, you probably need three really popular players in the final, something that never seems to happen because you don't want to be sitting next to 2 other popular players. I suppose it could happen in an All-Star season, with a final 3 of say, Ozzy, Rupert, and Parvati, but again, only Rupert is idiotic enough to want to sit next to Ozzy and Parv. The other two have a least half a brain and wouldn't want the risk.

I agree. Groupthink comes into play especially with all the unnecessary fratenizing at Ponderorsa. They should be quarintined and not allowed to trade notes

But I am still surpized that after how many seasons of a 3-way finale that we haven't seen a 4-4-1 tie (with the 1 being an oddball, quirk vote) or perhaps a 3-3-3 vote which I agree is more unlikely.
post #1002 of 1026
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

Maybe to you. To people like me, it turns them off and makes them not even want to watch the season. Give me the most boring, nonegotistical people ever to play the game over *******s like Colton, Russell and Boston Rob.



Please don't mention Colton in the same league as Russell or Boston Rob, very different type of players IMO. I thought it was funny and eye opening when the audience member at the reunion show was trying to make some point that Colton was being a character and was playing the same game as Russell. Probst asked the crowd if Colton was really similar at all to Russell? Without hesitation, the rest of the audience responded with a resounding "NO"
post #1003 of 1026
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Originally Posted by saeyedoc View Post

Interesting comments from Kim in our local paper this morning (San Antonio). She says she lost about 16 pounds (where did my boobs go) and that she knew about the 'stache

at one point my son was telling me she was really a dude who needs a shave
post #1004 of 1026
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

I personally hate final 3 and wish they would just go back to the final 2.

As for the breakdown of votes, here is who received what since they implemented this back in Season 13.

Cook Islands: Yul Kwon (5), Ozzy Lusth (4), Becky Lee (0)
Fiji: Earl Cole (9), Cassandra Franklin (0), Dre "Dreamz" Herd (0)
China: Todd Herzog (4), Courtney Yates (2), Amanda Kimmel (1)
Gabon: Bob Crowley (4), Susie Smith (3), Jessica "Sugar" Kiper (0)
Samoa: Natalie White (7), Russell Hantz (2), Mick Trimming (0)
Heroes vs Villians: Sandra Diaz-Twine (6), Parvati Shallow (3), Russell Hantz (0) <-- gave me great pleasure to see that one
Nicaragua: Jud "Fabio" Birza (5), Chase Rice (4), Matthew "Sash" Lenahan (0)
Redemption Island: Rob Mariano (8), Phillip Sheppard (1), Natalie Tenerelli (0)
South Pacific: Sophie Clarke (6), Benjamin "Coach" Wade (3), Albert Destrade (0)
One World: Kim Spradlin (7), Sabrina Thompson (2), Chelsea Meissner (0)

So, aside from one season where probably the worst final tribal speaker ever Amanda got 1 lousy vote, all the other 3rd place finishers have received 0.
Exactly what is that adding to the game by making it a final 3?

Ah, there it is - thanks for providing! Yes, must add Earl to the list of next all-star season, he had a great final group to go against (no Yow-man (sp?)) but he still played a complete game.

I respect Sandra's game enough but no way she was more deserving to Parvati or Russell IMO
post #1005 of 1026
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Originally Posted by djb5f View Post

Please don't mention Colton in the same league as Russell or Boston Rob, very different type of players IMO. I thought it was funny and eye opening when the audience member at the reunion show was trying to make some point that Colton was being a character and was playing the same game as Russell. Probst asked the crowd if Colton was really similar at all to Russell? Without hesitation, the rest of the audience responded with a resounding "NO"

colton is nothing more than a bias, prejidice, rich white kid, who would get a good thrashing if I was there. He never did get a spanking and needs one. (no homo intentions)
But dollars to doughnuts he'll be back in the fall the way probst was letting on.
post #1006 of 1026
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Originally Posted by Foxy7 View Post

I think Tina, Vacepia(sp) and Amber are some of the worst winners. While I don't care if I never see "Sole Survivors" Aras, Danni, Chris or Sophie again.Some of the winners just don't make for compelling television.

The Survivors who are invited back are the heroes people love or villains people love to hate. Boston Rob has played four times. James, Steph, Coach, Russell,Rupert, Parvati, Ozzy have played three times. They are interesting characters who make the show entertaining. Ultimately its about ratings, if the ratings keep going down like with One World which EW described as "Kim's World" and a "lackluster" season there's not going to be anymore Survivor. Which could be why they are bringing players back again next season including Penner who will be playing for the third time.

sophie episode made me sick! of all those who deserve it, she did not. Pure luck!
post #1007 of 1026
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

Then instead of calling it All-Stars, they should just call it like it is.
Survivor: Personalities That Will Get Us Ratings

my pertsonal fav episode was watching Russels face when 1 he lost to parv, and when he was booted off the Boston Rob show
post #1008 of 1026
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Originally Posted by quad4.0 View Post

sophie episode made me sick! of all those who deserve it, she did not. Pure luck!

Agree, she was pretty worthless, and a petulant brat to boot

I like this idea of a Winner's Only survivor. Probably wouldn't be as entertaining or interesting as say Heroes vs. Villians but it would be very worthwhile. Problem would be getting enough to do it and not having them quit during it since they have some money now.

I think too many folks here are TOO result oriented focused. Results are important but in a game like this, they are not the ONLY criteria. IMO, Boston Rob was an all-star after Marquesas. He played the game well and he played hard. Yeah, he left on the early side but he was a better player than say Tarzan or Christina (or countless others) from the most recent season who made it much further.

The thing with Survivor is that there is a large chance or luck element. Many of the winners and contestants who made the finals were very fortunate not to be voted out earlier. It wasn't anything they really did to remove a target or not appear weak, too strong, whatever, but more sheer luck that their name did not get called earlier. Tarzan and Christina and so many others could've been picked off very early but the fact that they were sparred does not suddenly make them power players or "all-stars".

I had some questions of a number of all-stars over the years but Boston Rob was surely not one of them. Shi-Ann, yes, definitely, all-star, are you kidding me??
post #1009 of 1026
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Originally Posted by quad4.0 View Post

sophie episode made me sick! of all those who deserve it, she did not. Pure luck!

Exactly what was pure luck about her win?
post #1010 of 1026
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Originally Posted by edpowers View Post

The Survivor: Champions
1. Brian
2. Richard Hatch (in between prison stints)
3. Ethan
4. Sandra
5. Amber
6. Danni
7. Yul
8. Earl
9. Todd
10. Parvati
11. JT
12. Fabio
13. Boston Rob
14. Sophie
15. Kim
16. Tom or Bob

Love it except either I want one of Amber/Rob not on it, or it's gonna be a tough watch if everyone else doesn't take out one of the two early on. They would definitely need to be in separate tribes to begin with. Have no desire to watch that "alliance" yet again.
post #1011 of 1026
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

Here is what I would love to see, if for only just one season. It kinda happened in Fans vs Favorites where Amanda, Cerie, and Parvati automatically assumed it was a Final 3, but then Jeff had them compete in one last challenge, but my version would be a bit different.

I would just love to have no final immunity challenge and have the 3 come to tribal council, but after going through Jeff's regular spiel he tells them this is not the final tribal and they have to vote one more out. This way no one is safe with an immunity idol, it doesn't come down to just one person making the decision, and they didn't plan on this so they have to scramble to come up with a name.

This way the 3rd person out wouldn't have just one person to blame and it would throw a major wrench into people's plans by having to make an on the spot decision without all that at the camp wrangling.

I kind of want to see this for a whole season of Survivor. People want a shake up? How about team that has to send someone home votes immediately after the immunity challenge, no time to scheme, and in fact, speaking is forbidden from the end of the immunity challenge until tribal council, but even then, you are speaking with Jeff. Also

If you can get people to vote your way just by what you tell Jeff at TC, without giving away your plans to the unlucky person going home, that's some real skill. Also, you'll see people go home on a plurality and not majority, which I think would be neat to see. Get the votes split up some more, take away power from alliances, and most importantly, add a lot of intrigue into who goes home each week.

I suppose people could still talk after TC and before a challenge (The "down" time), but it's not the same as the usual "Who is going home?" discussions that happen post-immunity challenge.
post #1012 of 1026
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Originally Posted by 73shark View Post

Doubt she would have gotten implants if she was a lesbian.

You've forgotten hot and bitchy Ami from Vanuatu, the original proponent of the "women's final three"? She was openly gay (her partner showed up on the family episode) and her chest was so enhanced that they were pointing at 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock in some scenes.

Then after the season she broke up with her partner and got a guy. Must have been the boobs.
post #1013 of 1026
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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post

Love it except either I want one of Amber/Rob not on it, or it's gonna be a tough watch if everyone else doesn't take out one of the two early on. They would definitely need to be in separate tribes to begin with. Have no desire to watch that "alliance" yet again.

Good point, remove Amber and replace her with Tina, Jenna or Natalie.
post #1014 of 1026
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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

Maybe to you. To people like me, it turns them off and makes them not even want to watch the season. Give me the most boring, nonegotistical people ever to play the game over *******s like Colton, Russell and Boston Rob.

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Originally Posted by djb5f View Post

Please don't mention Colton in the same league as Russell or Boston Rob, very different type of players IMO. I thought it was funny and eye opening when the audience member at the reunion show was trying to make some point that Colton was being a character and was playing the same game as Russell. Probst asked the crowd if Colton was really similar at all to Russell? Without hesitation, the rest of the audience responded with a resounding "NO"

When I said what I said, I wasn't comparing them strategy-wise. I was more referring to them as being the same type of person that I hate on these shows. The kind that have an overblown ego who constantly say they are in charge and everyone else around them are idiots.



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Originally Posted by Tom Imp View Post

Here is what I would love to see, if for only just one season. It kinda happened in Fans vs Favorites where Amanda, Cerie, and Parvati automatically assumed it was a Final 3, but then Jeff had them compete in one last challenge, but my version would be a bit different.

I would just love to have no final immunity challenge and have the 3 come to tribal council, but after going through Jeff's regular spiel he tells them this is not the final tribal and they have to vote one more out. This way no one is safe with an immunity idol, it doesn't come down to just one person making the decision, and they didn't plan on this so they have to scramble to come up with a name.

This way the 3rd person out wouldn't have just one person to blame and it would throw a major wrench into people's plans by having to make an on the spot decision without all that at the camp wrangling.

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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post

I kind of want to see this for a whole season of Survivor. People want a shake up? How about team that has to send someone home votes immediately after the immunity challenge, no time to scheme, and in fact, speaking is forbidden from the end of the immunity challenge until tribal council, but even then, you are speaking with Jeff. Also

If you can get people to vote your way just by what you tell Jeff at TC, without giving away your plans to the unlucky person going home, that's some real skill. Also, you'll see people go home on a plurality and not majority, which I think would be neat to see. Get the votes split up some more, take away power from alliances, and most importantly, add a lot of intrigue into who goes home each week.

I suppose people could still talk after TC and before a challenge (The "down" time), but it's not the same as the usual "Who is going home?" discussions that happen post-immunity challenge.

In this season when they merged early at tribal council, I was praying they were going to make everyone vote just to see how people thought and who would have gone home with two separate tribes coming together with no pre-planning. Unfortunately they didn't have the stones to allow that to happen.
post #1015 of 1026
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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post

I kind of want to see this for a whole season of Survivor. People want a shake up? How about team that has to send someone home votes immediately after the immunity challenge, no time to scheme, and in fact, speaking is forbidden from the end of the immunity challenge until tribal council, but even then, you are speaking with Jeff. Also

If you can get people to vote your way just by what you tell Jeff at TC, without giving away your plans to the unlucky person going home, that's some real skill. Also, you'll see people go home on a plurality and not majority, which I think would be neat to see. Get the votes split up some more, take away power from alliances, and most importantly, add a lot of intrigue into who goes home each week.

I suppose people could still talk after TC and before a challenge (The "down" time), but it's not the same as the usual "Who is going home?" discussions that happen post-immunity challenge.


Another interesting twist would be to throw in an American Idol style vote part way into the season. So everyone would get say 10 votes for the people they want to stay and they can distribute those votes however they want. The person with the least votes goes home and everyone's vote total is exposed so that the unpopular people know who they are and have a chance to shake things up.

That should help expose some of the phony "alliances".
post #1016 of 1026
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Originally Posted by pappy97 View Post

Get the votes split up some more, take away power from alliances, and most importantly, add a lot of intrigue into who goes home each week.

Instead of intrigue I'd call it pot luck and boring. The intrigue is in setting up Tribal Council not the council itself. Like an election (return) who cares about drawing a name out of a hat to see who wins... the game is Outwit, Outplay, Outlast not get lucky.
post #1017 of 1026
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Originally Posted by WaTaGuMp View Post

I have always been attracted to blonds big time. But yet I kept wanting to see more of Christina. I disagree with Jonas at the final TC about Chelsea being the cutest.

Christina opening the last tree mail..... one of the best moments this season!
post #1018 of 1026
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Originally Posted by jake14mw View Post

Kim just dominated this game in all ways. A very deserving winner.



As if she had any chance unless they could find 8 people willing to give up immunity! And 6 that don't care about numbers. And think that a 3 day "connection" always wins the 20-day one in survivor!
I can go on and on......

Easiest win ever. As if they wanted to find a legal way to pay her 1 million and thought "Hey, why don't you win survivor?"

They even gave her the immunity idol!!

Don't tell me that either of you believes that you can find it just like that, unless they want you to!
post #1019 of 1026
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Originally Posted by 33idolfinder View Post

As if she had any chance unless they could find 8 people willing to give up immunity! And 6 that don't care about numbers. And think that a 3 day "connection" always wins the 20-day one in survivor!
I can go on and on......

Easiest win ever. As if they wanted to find a legal way to pay her 1 million and thought "Hey, why don't you win survivor?"

They even gave her the immunity idol!!

Don't tell me that either of you believes that you can find it just like that, unless they want you to!

I agree that luck had a hand in her win because she was playing with a bunch of morons, but Kim took advantage of the opportunities handed to her. Are you telling me the producers handpicked the idiot men who would voluntarily give up tribal immunity just so Kim could get further in the game? And that they chose Tarzan because they knew he would sell the men down the river after the two tribes merged?

As for being "given" the hidden immunity idol, she never had to play it even though she was clearly the biggest threat.

According to Russell, he was playing with a bunch of dopes too, but he couldn't win (twice). Don't underestimate the amount of effort and skill it takes to win Survivor.
post #1020 of 1026
Thread Starter 
.. an exceptionally good player can make it seem like they are morons ..

Kim, as other players noted, was an excellent liar .. that got her as far as anything, since apparently, no one was comparing notes ..
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