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post #1141 of 1651
Jack,
while your developers work on the framerate fix for 3D can you also ask them if they can add automatic refresh rate switching for 25fps/50i sources also.
I have a lot of recordings from European TV broadcasts that are 1080i50 and they don't look good at 60Hz. I know that I can change the mode manually but then the other 1080i60/59 files are bad.
I think it's very important for a media player that supports the correct output modes (as this one does) to have the ability to automatically switch between them.
I also think that the switching between video modes when the file ends is unnecessary. Obviously the Micca supports rendering the UI at all refresh rates so why not make an option to force the player to stay in the last used video mode? I think this will greatly improve the user experience.
post #1142 of 1651
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Originally Posted by pankov View Post

Jack,
while your developers work on the framerate fix for 3D can you also ask them if they can add automatic refresh rate switching for 25fps/50i sources also.
I have a lot of recordings from European TV broadcasts that are 1080i50 and they don't look good at 60Hz. I know that I can change the mode manually but then the other 1080i60/59 files are bad.
I think it's very important for a media player that supports the correct output modes (as this one does) to have the ability to automatically switch between them.
I also think that the switching between video modes when the file ends is unnecessary. Obviously the Micca supports rendering the UI at all refresh rates so why not make an option to force the player to stay in the last used video mode? I think this will greatly improve the user experience.
Pankov,

From the way it was explained to me, it's not easy to add automatic refresh change. There's other Realtek players that have achieved this, so I know it's possible. These types of customization are not something that gets shared between developers so we don't know what it took to make it happen. This feature has been requested, however, and is in the list of things to investigate.
post #1143 of 1651
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Originally Posted by rypaul View Post

Ok minor bug report time. Ok so a few posts back I mentioned that Youtube XL would not play audio over SPDIF
at random intervals, I had to get the audio from the RCA left and right ports. Ok so I finally figured out the issue.
Basically If I play a file with DTS or DOLBY DIGITAL audio then try to play Youtube I get no audio. If I then play
a file with WMA or AAC audio then Youtube will give me sound through the SPDIF. I would like to know if anyone
else can reproduce this issue so I can know if it is a case that my JVC receiver is not switching modes. Note I
need tests results done over SPDIF because I don't know if HDMI would add additional variables.
Rypaul,

This is a great observation. It is additional evidence that may help us pinpoint the issue. I am going to try to reproduce it with HDMI connection to see what the behavior is.
post #1144 of 1651
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack@Micca View Post

Pankov,
From the way it was explained to me, it's not easy to add automatic refresh change. There's other Realtek players that have achieved this, so I know it's possible. These types of customization are not something that gets shared between developers so we don't know what it took to make it happen. This feature has been requested, however, and is in the list of things to investigate.

Translation: You will probably have to wait for a couple of years before Realtek even decides to look in to this. However, they will make a new chip, which will be better, faster and cheaper, but it won't be able to support what you ask still, and force subs will not be supported as well. biggrin.gif
post #1145 of 1651
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Originally Posted by rypaul View Post

Sorry no Netflix or Hulu in this firmware and it is not likely to ever support them.

The only way to get Hulu, Netflix, and Pandora to work on the EP series is to use a combination of PlayOn.TV software, and a DLNA controller software like iMediaShare running on Android/iOS device such as a smartphone or tablet. This setup lets you browse for Netflix videos and start playback on the EP950. The downside is that you have to keep a computer on to run the PlayOn.TV software, and this mish-mash has some quirks.
post #1146 of 1651
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Originally Posted by GusGus748s View Post

Translation: You will probably have to wait for a couple of years before Realtek even decides to look in to this. However, they will make a new chip, which will be better, faster and cheaper, but it won't be able to support what you ask still, and force subs will not be supported as well. biggrin.gif

They've been very quiet about future chip releases. There are rumors abound and I won't feed them. So don't read too much into it when I say that my guess is that the 1186 will stay where it is unless there is some push for additional features/capabilities. As is, it already does 3D playback and handles all of the popular codecs at high bit rates. While its network connection isn't the fastest in the world, it's fast enough to stream any content over a wired connection. There really isn't a whole lot more to add other than improvements in usability and features, which is more of a software/firmware effort.

It's my gut feeling that eventually in 3-5 years, Android based devices may become powerful/inexpensive enough to take over from something like the 1186 in terms of AV performance. But by then 1186 will still likely be "powerful enough", and most likely will have a significant cost advantage.
post #1147 of 1651
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack@Micca View Post

They've been very quiet about future chip releases. There are rumors abound and I won't feed them. So don't read too much into it when I say that my guess is that the 1186 will stay where it is unless there is some push for additional features/capabilities. As is, it already does 3D playback and handles all of the popular codecs at high bit rates. While its network connection isn't the fastest in the world, it's fast enough to stream any content over a wired connection. There really isn't a whole lot more to add other than improvements in usability and features, which is more of a software/firmware effort.
It's my gut feeling that eventually in 3-5 years, Android based devices may become powerful/inexpensive enough to take over from something like the 1186 in terms of AV performance. But by then 1186 will still likely be "powerful enough", and most likely will have a significant cost advantage.


Time will tell. I am hoping it only gets better from here.
post #1148 of 1651
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Originally Posted by eagle_2 View Post

@Jack,
I was playing with the image viewer yesterday, and there were a few things that stood out to me as awkward - I'm wondering if there's any possibility of adding these improvements to the image viewer:
1) There is no way of viewing the image at 100% (original image size)...
2) When panning around in an image when zoomed...
3) The player does not seem to remember my choice for image transition...

Eagle_2,

Thanks for these additional items, they've all been added to the request list.
post #1149 of 1651
Jack,
Is there any chance of support for HD-DVD? I have quite a few and would like to convert them to ISO files and play them back over the EP950.
post #1150 of 1651

Regarding developers sharing customizations I can understand the desire not to share but I would hope regarding fixing major bugs they would be

willing to share their findings. I know I am being idealistic but I would like all of us who chose to invest in 1186 players to enjoy as much of

a bug free experience as possible. Once again thank you Jack for your continued support and efforts

post #1151 of 1651
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Originally Posted by Doyle View Post

Jack,
Is there any chance of support for HD-DVD? I have quite a few and would like to convert them to ISO files and play them back over the EP950.

 

I have a feeling you are better off ripping and re-encoding them and putting them in an MKV or other container. I am doubtful this request can or would be fulfilled in any reasonable time frame



post #1152 of 1651
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Originally Posted by Jack@Micca View Post

Thanks for these additional items, they've all been added to the request list.

Maybe it's deja vu . . . does this sound familiar to anyone? rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif
post #1153 of 1651

I am just thankful that there is someone willing to try and support the product and that there is a list for us to add to. Some other products out

there are treated like unwanted children by their manufacturers.


Edited by rypaul - 8/24/12 at 7:48am
post #1154 of 1651
Wow look like you all are able to get alot of support from Jack. Jack, would you be able to tell me where I could order one of these along with a wifi card for it? I saw some people has posted some links to amazon. I was not able to find out which wifi card will work though.

Thanks in advance.
post #1155 of 1651
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Originally Posted by Doyle View Post

Jack,
Is there any chance of support for HD-DVD? I have quite a few and would like to convert them to ISO files and play them back over the EP950.

+1 on the HD-DVD support
post #1156 of 1651
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Originally Posted by Jack@Micca View Post

The only way to get Hulu, Netflix, and Pandora to work on the EP series is to use a combination of PlayOn.TV software, and a DLNA controller software like iMediaShare running on Android/iOS device such as a smartphone or tablet. This setup lets you browse for Netflix videos and start playback on the EP950. The downside is that you have to keep a computer on to run the PlayOn.TV software, and this mish-mash has some quirks.

Thanks JAck
post #1157 of 1651
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doyle View Post

Jack,
Is there any chance of support for HD-DVD? I have quite a few and would like to convert them to ISO files and play them back over the EP950.

Hi,

To be very honest, I doubt this has a chance of being implemented.
post #1158 of 1651
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Originally Posted by perchancetodream View Post

Maybe it's deja vu . . . does this sound familiar to anyone? rolleyes.gifbiggrin.gif

Ha!

It is a growing list, I grant you that. At the same time, we have successfully addressed issues raised here in this very thread. So I for one am impatiently hopeful.
post #1159 of 1651
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Originally Posted by Jack@Micca View Post

Eagle_2,
Thanks for these additional items, they've all been added to the request list.

Thank you, Jack. I think it would be a great improvement to the player if they can manage to add those improvements to the image viewer.
post #1160 of 1651
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Originally Posted by rfs830 View Post

Wow look like you all are able to get alot of support from Jack. Jack, would you be able to tell me where I could order one of these along with a wifi card for it? I saw some people has posted some links to amazon. I was not able to find out which wifi card will work though.
Thanks in advance.

There used to be a Micca-specific WiFi adapter. But Monoprice is so good at pricing their Realtek-based WiFi adapters that the Micca one is no longer being sold.

Try this:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=105&cp_id=10501&cs_id=1050109&p_id=8075&seq=1&format=2
post #1161 of 1651
A general update on the 3D-24Hz issue:

The fix is possible, but it's bundled together with a ton of other changes which requires extensive firmware redevelopment. This is not something that can be separated out and implemented on its own quickly. Realistically, users can expect this issue to remain for at least the next 3-4 months. As newer firmware revisions mature in the pipeline, this will eventually be incorporated.
post #1162 of 1651
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Originally Posted by Jack@Micca View Post

A general update on the 3D-24Hz issue:
The fix is possible, but it's bundled together with a ton of other changes which requires extensive firmware redevelopment. This is not something that can be separated out and implemented on its own quickly. Realistically, users can expect this issue to remain for at least the next 3-4 months. As newer firmware revisions mature in the pipeline, this will eventually be incorporated.

Ah, that good ole Realtek deja vu . . . ! wink.gif
(Nothing personal, Jack, not your fault . . . smile.gif)
Edited by perchancetodream - 8/24/12 at 11:17am
post #1163 of 1651
Jack, regarding the framerate issues, I came across some old comments you had made earlier when Micca was beginning to look into these fixes, and you mentioned this:

"I may have spoken too soon. 1.0.3.9 works for 1080p/60->59.94Hz on the EP600 G2, but not the EP950. The EP950 with 1.0.3.9 continues to output 60Hz in 1080p/60 mode."

So it seems the EP950 still outputs 60Hz instead of 59.94Hz? Is this going to get addressed in an upcoming update?

Also, regarding 23.976HZ / 24Hz output, you had said:

"This firmware version outputs 23.976Hz for 24p video. There is no more juddering when playing back 23.976fps videos. However, 24fps videos are also played back at 23.976Hz and will have a noticeable frame skip every 1000 frames or so.

We've passed along the obvious questions: can the player output be automatically set to match the media file fps whether its 23.976 or 24fps. Hopefully this is what we can implement in an upcoming firmware release."


Is this still a possibility that the player could detect the 2 different framerates and output correctly? I'm very glad that 23.976 is working correctly in 2D mode now, but I do come across some 24Hz files and as you said currently those would stutter every 1000 frames since it's being output at 23.976. Ideally the player should be able to handle both correctly.
post #1164 of 1651
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack@Micca View Post

A general update on the 3D-24Hz issue:
The fix is possible, but it's bundled together with a ton of other changes which requires extensive firmware redevelopment. This is not something that can be separated out and implemented on its own quickly. Realistically, users can expect this issue to remain for at least the next 3-4 months. As newer firmware revisions mature in the pipeline, this will eventually be incorporated.

That's great news. I hope they will follow through with this issue. If they can get these framerate issues solved it will be a significant improvement to the player. Shame it will take so long. We've already been waiting months and months for these framerate issues to get addressed.

And what about that issue with video not being centered correctly, causing those bars on side-by-side/over-under videos? Between the stuttering and the off-center image, right now I can't seem to use my 3D player for 3D files and it's frustrating.
post #1165 of 1651
Not sure if anyone mentioned this or having the same problem as I am.
I can't seem to bookmark foreign movies. Is the Micca racist?
Bad joke aside, The subs are preventing bookmarking.
When the video is placed in a folder w/o subs it BM's fine.
Please look into this jack.
Also , why do i have to hit the info button while a file is playing to see
the specs of a video. Why can't i just highlight a video & hit the info button.
Just 2 annoyances i'd like to see fixed.
post #1166 of 1651
EP950 Firmware 1.0.4.17 is now available at the Micca web site. I flashed it last night, So far so good.

Version 1.0.4.17 - August 2012
New Features
- HiTV Chinese video-on-demand feature now with multi-server support.
- Added shortcut support for local and Samba network folders and files.
- Added ability to manually load a subtitle file while watching videos.
- Added Arabic subtitle support.
- Added ability to set Music repeat/loop/shuffle using the "REPEAT" remote button.
- Added Samba workgroup and hostname configurations.

Fixed Issues
- Fixed file copy issues and errors under certain conditions.
- Fixed issue where network speed is displayed as 0 when the actual speed is very high.
- Fixed idx+sub subtitle display issues under certain conditions.
- Fixed HiTV MP4 file seamless playback issues
- Fixed issue where changing the video output mode using the remote "TV Mode" button is not saved.
- Improved PPPOE function.
- Fixed inability to add music playlists and photo albums to the media library.
- Fixed issue where there is no sound when playing a MP3 file and audio output is set to RAW.
- Fixed Facebook SSL login issue.
- Fixed incorrect BD menu display.
- Fixed occasional disk format failure.

Known Issues:
- There still is no fix for 23.976fps playback for 3D content, which remains being played back at 24fps. We continue to work on this.
- 16:9 DVD menus are displayed in 4:3 mode, even though main movie plays correctly.
post #1167 of 1651
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Originally Posted by wsxcde View Post

EP950 Firmware 1.0.4.17 is now available at the Micca web site. I flashed it last night, So far so good.
Version 1.0.4.17 - August 2012
New Features
- HiTV Chinese video-on-demand feature now with multi-server support.
- Added shortcut support for local and Samba network folders and files.
- Added ability to manually load a subtitle file while watching videos.
- Added Arabic subtitle support.
- Added ability to set Music repeat/loop/shuffle using the "REPEAT" remote button.
- Added Samba workgroup and hostname configurations.
Fixed Issues
- Fixed file copy issues and errors under certain conditions.
- Fixed issue where network speed is displayed as 0 when the actual speed is very high.
- Fixed idx+sub subtitle display issues under certain conditions.
- Fixed HiTV MP4 file seamless playback issues
- Fixed issue where changing the video output mode using the remote "TV Mode" button is not saved.
- Improved PPPOE function.
- Fixed inability to add music playlists and photo albums to the media library.
- Fixed issue where there is no sound when playing a MP3 file and audio output is set to RAW.
- Fixed Facebook SSL login issue.
- Fixed incorrect BD menu display.
- Fixed occasional disk format failure.
Known Issues:
- There still is no fix for 23.976fps playback for 3D content, which remains being played back at 24fps. We continue to work on this.
- 16:9 DVD menus are displayed in 4:3 mode, even though main movie plays correctly.

mine is working so well that I'm afraid to do any upgrade, it might break something biggrin.gif
post #1168 of 1651
It's mentioned above that the known issues are:

Known Issues:
- There still is no fix for 23.976fps playback for 3D content, which remains being played back at 24fps. We continue to work on this.
- 16:9 DVD menus are displayed in 4:3 mode, even though main movie plays correctly.


I mentioned this above but maybe it got lost in the mix: This was from Jack months ago:

"I may have spoken too soon. 1.0.3.9 works for 1080p/60->59.94Hz on the EP600 G2, but not the EP950. The EP950 with 1.0.3.9 continues to output 60Hz in 1080p/60 mode."


So this should still be considered an issue also, shouldn't it?

The video off-center bug wasn't mentioned as an issue either. I think that's one of the things that should be a priority. Until that's fixed, 3D from side-by-side and over-under files is a big problem.
Edited by eagle_2 - 8/27/12 at 6:34pm
post #1169 of 1651
I flashed the new firmware yesterday 'and try to play Clash of titan 3d ISO, it having stuttering on chapter 15.Before is OK to play without stuttering(internal hardisc.1.0.39.).No change for some movie feel lagging not smooth(like chapter skip one by one).Example terminator salvation bdmv,realsteall bdmv.You will always know chapter to chapter,skip a bit while chapter changing.Hope will solve the problem soon.
post #1170 of 1651
Are you saying that it stutters as its playing, when it passes a chapter mark? Is this with all movies? Is that only with ISOs or other files also (mkv, etc)?
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