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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

universal contradicting themselves is not making me very optimistic

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Originally Posted by Paul Arnette View Post

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I will not argue
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post #124 of 754
That restoration video was beautiful. I'm envious of the gear some of those guys get to play with on both the video and the audio side. This one should look great.
post #125 of 754
They left out the bit in that clip where you see the lone guy in the Universal restoration lab in front of a PC entering a couple keystrokes on the DNR software display to set the filtering to "Waxy," hits enter on the keyboard and walks out the room for the night while the film plays out on the PC screen.

All the tweaking they seem to be doing makes me almost as apprehensive about this release as Universal's track record of crappy looking DNR'd-to-death transfers.
post #126 of 754
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All the tweaking they seem to be doing makes me almost as apprehensive about this release as Universal's track record of crappy looking DNR'd-to-death transfers.

To be fair, the crappy universal releases were all reused old masters, none were a new 4K scan.

They did a nice work on the latest Gladiator release.
post #127 of 754
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They did a nice work on the latest Gladiator release.

Considering it was done by the facility that did Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, and Raiders of the Lost Ark, I suspect Paramount had more to do with its creation than Universal.
post #128 of 754
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Considering it was done by the facility that did Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, and Raiders of the Lost Ark, I suspect Paramount had more to do with its creation than Universal.

It doesnt work like that. Someone must pay for a new master. And considering that Universal made a rerelease with the new master its obvious that they had to finance a new master. Paramount wouldnt do it alone since Universal sits on the global rights/market for the movie.
post #129 of 754
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It doesnt work like that. Someone must pay for a new master. And considering that Universal made a rerelease with the new master its obvious that they had to finance a new master. Paramount wouldnt do it alone since Universal sits on the global rights/market for the movie.

I don't believe so. Paramount has ALWAYS done the home video here in the states.
post #130 of 754
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Originally Posted by Dave Mack View Post

Just watched the cabin scene with the different light levels outside the windows. Will be interesting to see how that comes out

See DaveFi's message #123, the varying light levels outside the cabin windows is addressed in the restoration video.

Mark
post #131 of 754
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See DaveFi's message #123, the varying light levels outside the cabin windows is addressed in the restoration video.

Mark

Yeah that's what I was referring to. Some shots in the original look dark and some look kinda bright. Dark is more realistic and effective IMHO
post #132 of 754
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I don't believe so. Paramount has ALWAYS done the home video here in the states.

Yes of course since you cant use the same encode on DVD. But there exist only one orginal negative so for the bluray remaster they all need to cooperate on this. And since Paramount only have the domestic share of the movie, I dont think they owns the negative.
post #133 of 754
According to Michael Daruty, Senior Vice President of Technical Operations at Universal, they are using previous masters (approved by Spielberg) combined with Spielberg's current oversight to determine proper brightness, contrast, and color for this Blu-ray. I'm sure it will turn out exactly how Spielberg wants it. He is, after all, the king of consistency:

"making a sequel to anything is just a cheap carny trick"
-Spielberg, October 1975

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Back to the Future Part II
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Back to the Future Part III
Gremlins 2: The New Batch
The Lost World: Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park III
Men in Black II
The Legend of Zorro
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Yes
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
Transformers: Dark of the Moon
The Adventures of Tintin II
Men in Black III
Jurassic Park IV


Redacted. Sorry rboster.
post #134 of 754
To be fair, so far, the only sequels he actually directed were the Indiana Jones ones - and those were designed to be a throwback to those old movie serials.

Tin Tin is the same concept.

I'm pretty sure you aren't supposed to make a sequal featuring a main character that
post #135 of 754
Guys: Let's stick to the topic of this title vs discussion on the overall topic of sequals.

If you want, please start a separate thread in the movie forum and link it here.
post #136 of 754
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

According to Michael Daruty, Senior Vice President of Technical Operations at Universal, they are using previous masters (approved by Spielberg) combined with Spielberg's current oversight to determine proper brightness, contrast, and color for this Blu-ray. I'm sure it will turn out exactly how Spielberg wants it. He is, after all, the king of consistency:

"making a sequel to anything is just a cheap carny trick"
-Spielberg, October 1975

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
Back to the Future Part II
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
Back to the Future Part III
Gremlins 2: The New Batch
The Lost World: Jurassic Park
Jurassic Park III
Men in Black II
The Legend of Zorro
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull Yes
Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen
Transformers: Dark of the Moon
The Adventures of Tintin II
Men in Black III
Jurassic Park IV


Redacted. Sorry rboster.

Previous masters! ruh-oh!
The dog and pony show entertained the masses tho.
post #137 of 754
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Originally Posted by nick_danger View Post

According to Michael Daruty, Senior Vice President of Technical Operations at Universal, they are using previous masters (approved by Spielberg) combined with Spielberg's current oversight to determine proper brightness, contrast, and color for this Blu-ray. I'm sure it will turn out exactly how Spielberg wants it. [s]He is, after all, the king of consistency:

So, wait a minute - I thought they were going back to the negative to fix those huge scratches?
post #138 of 754
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So, wait a minute - I thought they were going back to the negative to fix those huge scratches?

It is a new 4K scan. I think he means they're using them to determine the color timing, which is what the Universal guy alludes to in the interview. Which seems really bizarre to me, since old-school video transfer rendition of color doesn't seem to be anywhere near print film.
post #139 of 754
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It is a new 4K scan. I think he means they're using them to determine the color timing, which is what the Universal guy alludes to in the interview. Which seems really bizarre to me, since old-school video transfer rendition of color doesn't seem to be anywhere near print film.

Correct on all counts. What I took away from the interview was that their intent is to be consistent with previous home releases, not specifically the way it was shot or the way it was shown in theaters. Again - all under the guidance and discretion of Mr. Spielberg.
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Universal talks about grain managment at 2:00.
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I don't think I'm going to worry about how the disc turns out until I actually have it in my hands. All this speculating is just nauseating. We're all disgruntled towards Uni, but some of their recent remasters have been quite good. And it looks like a lot of real work is going into Jaws. So I just don't see how putting this release & those involved in such a bad light for the moment is going to solve any possible transfer problems. And I realize I'm talking about a small number of posters here & not everyone. But when I see 35+ year old quotes being pulled up just to essentially say "see, he can't be trusted!" ...I just don't understand the blind cynicism.
post #142 of 754
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It is a new 4K scan. I think he means they're using them to determine the color timing, which is what the Universal guy alludes to in the interview. Which seems really bizarre to me, since old-school video transfer rendition of color doesn't seem to be anywhere near print film.

They also said the Jurassic Park and Back to the Future had all new state of the art scans.
They have no benefit of the doubt here.
post #143 of 754
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Originally Posted by InspectorToschi View Post

But when I see 35+ year old quotes being pulled up just to essentially say "see, he can't be trusted!" ...I just don't understand the blind cynicism.

Don't take it seriously, I was just being snarky. Pray for the best, prepare for the worst. Besides, cynical people have plenty of reason to be:
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They also said the Jurassic Park and Back to the Future had all new state of the art scans.
They have no benefit of the doubt here.
post #144 of 754
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They also said the Jurassic Park and Back to the Future had all new state of the art scans.
They have no benefit of the doubt here.

The difference is that we can actually see that they did new scan on this.
post #145 of 754
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The difference is that we can actually see that they did new scan on this.

We have their word on that, until i see the disc i will never take them at their word.
That's written or filmed
post #146 of 754
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

We have their word on that, until i see the disc i will never take them at their word.
That's written or filmed

Yea im sure Spielberg&co just made up everything about the restoration. They gonna reuse an old 1080i master slap some DNR and make a fake doc on youtube so we all buy the disc.

The remaster is not just for the BD release, its created to preserve the movie. Thats why they store 2 version of the movie: Raw Scan 4K, and 4K tweaked. The raw scan is preserved for future work.

By the way, who said that JP and BTTF had "New state of the art scan"?
post #147 of 754
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We have their word on that, until i see the disc i will never take them at their word.
That's written or filmed

Well, you can actually see the negative running through the machine.
Universal, to my knowledge, have never specified the technical specs of their scans or had any kind of behind-the-scenes videos before this 100th anniversary thing they're doing.
It's not the scan I'm worried about, frankly, but what they do to it afterwards.
post #148 of 754
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Yea im sure Spielberg&co just made up everything about the restoration. They gonna reuse an old 1080i master slap some DNR and make a fake doc on youtube so we all buy the disc.

The remaster is not just for the BD release, its created to preserve the movie. Thats why they store 2 version of the movie: Raw Scan 4K, and 4K tweaked. The raw scan is preserved for future work.

By the way, who said that JP and BTTF had "New state of the art scan"?

Bob Gale and Universal on BTTF

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So what we did on these was, we went back to a set of positives we made on better stock in 2002 for the first DVD release. Those inner positives have hardly been handled since then. They transferred it at 2K resolution on da Vinci 2K Plus. For the tech-heads who want to know why we didn't go 4K on this, it's because that with the software improvements over the past few years, the difference between 4K and 2K now is imperceptible. So the quality for that was amazing.

Do not have the JP one bookmarked on this new PC will scare it up
post #149 of 754
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Originally Posted by dvdmike007 View Post

Bob Gale and Universal on BTTF

So we shouldnt trust Bob Gale on this issue, did Bob Gale have anything to do with the JAWS restoration?

And by Universal, you are talking about their marketing department?
post #150 of 754
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Originally Posted by MovieSwede View Post

So we shouldnt trust Bob Gale on this issue, did Bob Gale have anything to do with the JAWS restoration?

And by Universal, you are talking about their marketing department?

Oh so the catering department put out that Jaws video?

Oh and you did ask for proof on BTTF and JP specifically, the glib turn around was amusing tho.

If its perfect then great I will buy it. But there is no singular way i would ever buy it on their say so alone.
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