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post #1141 of 3383
5/4/12 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

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Too bad this projector does NOT have a 6x color wheel, because I was going to sell the JVC to get this one instead, but now I'm still waiting

where is that info coming from?
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post #1142 of 3383
5/4/12 at 3:14pm
Every review site I have seen thus far, take your pick.
I also cannot find one mention of an increased CW speed, can you?
If so, paste away and I may still grab me a w7000

If I can find someone to buy the JVC. I'm sure I'll miss the JVC some, but I'm bored with it, it's time to move on for me, 6 months of owning a projector is too long!
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post #1143 of 3383
5/4/12 at 3:31pm
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The original literature claimed it was 6x, but never saw anything after that. BQ wouldn't directly answer the question, despite 6+ weeks of emails regarding the hdmi issue.

I just don't entirely believe the sites that claim 4x since I've directly compared it to the 6000 and sp890 and the W7000 has the least noticeable rbe imo.

You must not love the black floor like I do, i'll always have at least 1 of the jvc's each year until another manufacturer can match it. I like sci fi too much...
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post #1144 of 3383
5/4/12 at 3:46pm
It would be good to know if it is 6x or not. If I could see it, then I could probably tell you quickly how it stacks up RBE-WISE to other DLP's. I've owned various DLP projectors with varying amounts of RBE. I respect your opinion stating that it has less RBE than the Benq w6000, but if you can do a side-by-side of the w6000 to make sure (only if it's simple)?

I do really like darker blacks, but I prefer changing projectors for fun more often.
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post #1145 of 3383
5/4/12 at 4:33pm
The color wheel speed mystery continues!

At the below foreign site, the color wheel speed in the SPECS is listed as:
4x and 6x, implying that it is adjustable. Did anyone see any CW related settings in any of the menus?

http://3dprojeksiyon.in/benq-w7000-f...ksiyon_27.html

http://www.waybeta.com/news/144816/a...tor-unveiled./

Also found at least one other site (foreign PJ dealer) that claims it is 4x and 6x speeds. Three sites all claiming up to 6-speed color wheel, but all reviewers stating 6-seg / 4x speed.
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post #1146 of 3383
5/4/12 at 4:38pm
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I believe that's where I saw it originally, not certain. I have it bookmarked and will post later.

Btw, any chance the sites claiming it's 4x the same sites that completely missed the hdmi 1:1 issue on the W7000 and the Acer 9500?

It tells me whoever is calibrating their projectors for the review isn't even looking at a basic pattern test..
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post #1147 of 3383
5/4/12 at 4:43pm
I agree with you, I don't know what is true at this point. I might call V-Apex or Projector People, they probably have enough clout with getting an answer from BENQ, or they may have already emailed Benq on the issue. This shows some of the poor coordination of information from these PJ MFR's (not just Benq, but many do this). It can be so hard to figure out certain things.

If I had not tried the Viewsonic Pro8200 (first DLP I've owned with very little RBE), many had always assumed the RBE on a 7-seg / 4x speed wheel would be about the same as a 6-seg / 4x speed, but I can tell you the Viewsonic's RBE is easily equal to a 5x or a 6x color wheel and isn't even ballpark as bad as a 4x wheel (I've owned 3 different DLP's with 4x color wheels). Viewsonic clearly stated in their literature though that the newer color wheel design had much less RBE even at the same speeds (and they weren't lying). The RBE on the VS is much different looking than every other PJ I've seen...

If the Benq were about like that, or even just near that amount of RBE, I could deal with it as a NON-ISSUE. However, projectors with darker blacks tend to have more RBE even at higher CW speeds.
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post #1148 of 3383
5/4/12 at 6:40pm
Comparing Black Level Using Dark Knight



PC World Australia 09 March, 2012 firmware not specified
Black levels from the BenQ W7000 are good, with excellent shadow detail. During our go-to black testing scene, the opening sequence of The Dark Knight, blacks were almost perfectly black and we didn’t notice any significant instances of loss of shadow detail. We tested the BenQ W7000 alongside the Panasonic PT-AE7000, which displayed very slightly more shadow and black detail, but it was a close race. With the BenQ’s $300 price advantage we’d tend to choose it.

http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/arti...tre_projector/
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Kraine/France 25/01/2012 with old 0.22 Firmware
Scene of traveling on the skyscrapers (Batman: The Dark Knight)) :
The sad conclusion of a contrast native faiblard that we had found in our assessments DVD present rest on the screen in the scene or Batman that dominates the skyscrapers of Hong Kong prepares to begin his night flight to its prey. While we wait for deep black illuminated by the lights of the city, we come to obtain that without real consistency and coming black spoil the spectacle of this scene we know well.
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/b...Q-W7000-3.html

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Looks like blacks have been improved over time.
Hopefully the next generation of DLP projectors will be optimized from the beginning. Whew!
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post #1149 of 3383
5/4/12 at 7:42pm
Travel to the end of the Earth (Turkey with Web in India) to uncover the simple truth:
Lamp Brand Philips
Color Wheel Segment 6-Seg. (RGBRGB)
Color Wheel Speed 4X and 6X

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/b...ksiyon_27.html
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post #1150 of 3383
5/4/12 at 8:01pm
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I've had several of the W7000's since launch with several different firmwares - i'll state it once again so there is no confusion - the black level performance has been the same for all 3 firmware revisions.

'blacks were almost perfect' tells me that particular reviewer hasn't seen a JVC.. ever. Black level performance is not this projectors strength (or any under 10k DLP for that matter). It's not bad, and better than my old Mitsubishi HC5500, but it's on the opposite end of the JVC RS55 in this regard.

The black levels in 3D mode look good, but after some A/B this past week, I'll say the HW30 has a slightly better black floor than the W7000 when watching Underworld Awakening 3D which is primarily a dark movie throughout.

The W7000 looks great with mixed contrast and bright scenes. For dark 2D movies, it's my last pick if i'm watching Alien or Underworld Evolution. I don't know how any of the DLP's are going to be able to significantly improvement black levels since TI has checked out of the 1080P DLP R&D business and focusing on their 720P diamond shaped PICO products.
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post #1151 of 3383
5/4/12 at 8:10pm
Yah, 2000:1 Native On/Off, 10,000:1 dynamic on/off, it is what it is...
These are Panny 4000/7000 like numbers (Panny will beat it in non-rec 709 modes but be more bouncy). Panny has a bit higher Native On/Off however.

Can't really argue with the numbers (plus Zombie's assessment of the blacks pretty much agree with the numbers). I mean if it were 4500:1 native on/off with 20,000:1 dynamic, then we'd be hearing how close it is to the Sony's black levels, but we aren't, so it's not. However, still a great projector for what it is.

If you want good blacks in 3D, the JVC blacks in 3D are the first blacks I'd ever consider calling "inky", in 3D mode with the reduced brightness, the blacks look like ink in some scenes. In 2D mode, it's not quite there even on the JVC, the blacks are still good, but they aren't inky even on the JVC RS-45, not at 14 fL to 18 fL anyhow. The winning contrast aspect on the JVC's are how bright the whites are within the blacks and the very dark 2.35 bars, that is where the native on/off is most visible (think bright stars in black rather than muddy dark scenes).
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post #1152 of 3383
5/5/12 at 12:16am
i picked up this projector yesterday as it was on sale. got it today and hooked it up real quick just to see if it'd work out where the previous epson was mounted, even though i know i'll be sending it right back in a few days. i do have a problem in the quick testing that i gave it. i ran a few 3d blu-rays in my ps3, and all of them have said it's not connected to a 3d display. the 3d option is set to auto and the pj firmware shows 1.0. anyone have this issue before and know what's up? is this something that's fixed in previous or the upcoming firmware updates? thanks!
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post #1153 of 3383
5/5/12 at 1:57am
Try playing around with the settings, swap the HDMI cable, and try a different 3d Bluray disc. I've had weird issues getting my Samsung bluray player to do certain 3D discs, keeps thinking the Projector wasn't 3d Capable. Usually fixed by inserting a different bluray, then going back to the one I wanted to watch.

That is most likely a bug in my Bluray player though, but just saying fiddle around more and see what happens.
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post #1154 of 3383
5/5/12 at 3:57am
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Originally Posted by flyingmunkey View Post

i picked up this projector yesterday as it was on sale. got it today and hooked it up real quick just to see if it'd work out where the previous epson was mounted, even though i know i'll be sending it right back in a few days. i do have a problem in the quick testing that i gave it. i ran a few 3d blu-rays in my ps3, and all of them have said it's not connected to a 3d display. the 3d option is set to auto and the pj firmware shows 1.0. anyone have this issue before and know what's up? is this something that's fixed in previous or the upcoming firmware updates? thanks!

Are you running it through a 3d ready receiver and are you using 1.3 hdmi cable or high speed 1.4?
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post #1155 of 3383
5/5/12 at 8:07am
i'm running a high-speed hdmi cable direct from the ps3 to the pj. my receiver isn't 3d ready, so i'm looking for a replacement.

update: i've tried running the cable on hdmi1 and hdmi2. the movies i've tried are under the sea, born to be wild, cloudy with a chance of meatballs, cars 2, and tin tin. both inputs and all movies have given me the same message about not having a 3d display.
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post #1156 of 3383
5/5/12 at 9:41am
Borrow a friend's bluray player that has 3D and try a different player, or go buy one and then return it when done.
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post #1157 of 3383
5/5/12 at 12:49pm
In Art's review at projector review he say's its a 4X speed color wheel and it is odd that some online sources list the speed at 4X/6X. I suppose that it is possible the W7000's color wheel operates at either 4X or 6X depending on the input singal's frame rate (24Hz vs. 30Hz vs. 50Hz vs. 60Hz). Perhaps, for example it operates at 6X for 24Hz and 50Hz inputs and 4X for 30Hz and 60Hz inputs. This is just speculation on my part.
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post #1158 of 3383
5/5/12 at 3:31pm
Sure would be nice if someone from BenQ would pay attention and step up to answer this question with a definitive answer.....
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post #1159 of 3383
5/5/12 at 4:27pm
What is the advantage of a 4x wheel, since 6x causes less RBE?
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post #1160 of 3383
5/5/12 at 4:40pm
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Originally Posted by Lonely Surfer View Post

What is the advantage of a 4x wheel, since 6x causes less RBE?

Cheaper for the company to make, and potentially less problems over time.
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post #1161 of 3383
5/5/12 at 9:41pm
well,I picked up an LG player after work, and so far it's been working great. I wonder what the deal with the ps3 is...
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post #1162 of 3383
5/6/12 at 1:41am
^^^
I have a similar issue with my panasonic 220, if it already has a disc in it and i turn everything on with my harmony, it starts playing the disc as soon as it is powered on and the w7000 takes sometime to start so it will give me an error that I don't have a 3d display attached. If I restart the disc, it usually works fine.
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post #1163 of 3383
5/6/12 at 2:02am
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Originally Posted by flyingmunkey View Post

well,I picked up an LG player after work, and so far it's been working great. I wonder what the deal with the ps3 is...

Unless I missed something in previous posts, I would guess something may be wrong with one of the ps3 settings

Edit: Nevermind. Seems like with the 3d set to auto, it should work. Weird.
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post #1164 of 3383
5/6/12 at 5:25am
Hi folks,

can anyone tell me if the panamorphic lens for this projector would allow a larger screen size using same throw distance or would it require the projector to be moved back to give same screen size as 16:9 ?

So if I had a 100" screen and the w7000 @ 4m which is 16:9 and then added a panamorphic lens could it then be a 120" screen and the W7000 @ 4m?

thanks
Dave
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post #1165 of 3383
5/6/12 at 8:05am
i got the ps3 working now. i was out of options on what i could change up with the system, so i just decided to run through everything from the beginning. i ran the display setup on the ps3 to detect everything again, and voila, it all works like it should! still not sure why it didn't work after doing all that the first time, oh well.
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post #1166 of 3383
5/6/12 at 8:39am
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Yah, 2000:1 Native On/Off, 10,000:1 dynamic on/off, it is what it is...

Unfortunately that isn't even as good as I'm measuring. Contrast is not this projectors strong suite.
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post #1167 of 3383
5/6/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by coderguy
Yah, 2000:1 Native On/Off, 10,000:1 dynamic on/off, it is what it is...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

Unfortunately that isn't even as good as I'm measuring. Contrast is not this projectors strong suite.

Yikes. So the marketing hype is exaggerated by over 5 times??

Good thing at least for me is the W7000 where it's going to be installed will be replacing a JVC G15, so should still seem like a winner all the way around and I can use the brightness.

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I think someone in this thread, like myself, also owns a Samsung LED DLP. If the contrast is as good as that I will be very happy. I can come in from the theater with a calibrated RS50 and watch the Sammy and never want to throw stones at it. Can anyone please confirm, or even with just a lamp rear projected DLP TV which I believe I have read might have a tad more on/off?
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post #1168 of 3383
5/6/12 at 10:09am
It should look fine, you will probably miss the blacks some once you get down to scenes with evening time brightness or darker.
Someone measured the w7000 at 2,200:1 on/off, but I guess that was optimistic then and maybe with a blown calibration.

For instance, I measured a Viewsonic Pro8200 at 2,800:1 on/off with a blown calibration (intentionally trying to max contrast but bad color and blown whites). I would be a bit dissapointed if the Benq w7000 cannot do 2000:1 on/off, considering I can get around 1,500:1 to 2,000:1 on/off at D65 on a VS Pro8200 (which I paid $450 refurb for). It does have DC3 instead of DC2, but that only makes maybe 10% to 20% difference at best.

The Mits hc4000 does about 3,500:1, but it's also a lot dimmer. The hc4000 would be killer with an IRIS.
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post #1169 of 3383
5/6/12 at 12:30pm
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i've been clear to point out that no one is going to mistake the W7000 for the RS55 anytime soon.

I haven't measured the contrast on the W7000. I can tell by eye it's better than the Acer 5360 and worse than the Sony HW30 when watching the first 10 minutes of Underworld Evolution. For the majority of content, the W7000 looks good including Sports, F1 racing, animations, HDTV etc.

My main goal with this projector has been for a 3D companion to the RS55. The cheap Acer 5360 showed non-believers that there was a specific front projector technology (DLP) that can handle completely ghost free 3D viewing. But there were a number of shortcomings on this projector including not-so bright 3D (~750-800 lumens), entry quality lens, 720P, no lense shift, no color controls, etc.

The W7000 ~ the low 2k price point fixed all these issues. it's brighter, sharper, has usable color controls and also the sought after lens shift for HP screens. The 3D is the cleanest of all the current models in the tough scenes. It would definitely be nice if it had higher overall contrast.

It would be interesting to see a compare between the W7000 and the Optoma 8300 which should have higher contrast.
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post #1170 of 3383
5/6/12 at 3:02pm
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Originally Posted by flyingmunkey View Post

well,I picked up an LG player after work, and so far it's been working great. I wonder what the deal with the ps3 is...

Make sure you have the PS3 updated. My PS3 did not want to link up the first time I tried it with my RS45. I had to play around with it a bit, but after getting it to link up the first time, it seems to work every time now.
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