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post #1231 of 3365
5/9/12 at 8:22pm
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Ron, those Viewsonic's look similar to the ZD101 glasses and also similar to the BenQ glasses.

The ZD201's are on the lower right and are flawless with the BenQ. All the other DLP Link glasses had some red flash leakage on the right eye - Especially noticeable on my HP screen. The 201's are balanced very well. I have several pair, so it's not a 1 off chance. They are all performing the same. These glasses changed my mind about DLP link glasses.

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post #1232 of 3365
5/9/12 at 8:50pm
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WSR / Optoma can defend the review if they like, It's in black and white print in their magazine, so let all the info be out there, good or bad.

It really does not bother me. I just figured you'd prefer the most accurate info to be out there, and I'm sure that review was bugged (it was one of the older ones too). BTW, I got an RS-45 that doesn't ghost but it has blue tint in dark scenes (just kidding)

All I can do is laugh in a jolly way... I don't mind trying to keep the thread on track, but I really was trying to get info for someone that asked me those questions.
I doubt very many would buy the Optoma hd8300 given its price anyways, so the Benq w7000 vs. Acer h9500bd is where the WAR is...
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post #1233 of 3365
5/10/12 at 4:50am
I'm disappointed to see all this discussion on poor black levels! I've purchased but haven't yet picked up a w7000 to replace a ptae7000 and I was under the impression from reviews and a few people on here that black levels on the w7000 are the same or even slightly darker than the ptae7000.

I was quite happy with the ptae7000 black levels so are they the same as the w7000's and people on here think the ptae7000 black levels aren't great either or am I going to be very disappointed with the black levels in comparison to the ptae7000?
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post #1234 of 3365
5/10/12 at 5:34am
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I'm disappointed to see all this discussion on poor black levels! I've purchased but haven't yet picked up a w7000 to replace a ptae7000 and I was under the impression from reviews and a few people on here that black levels on the w7000 are the same or even slightly darker than the ptae7000.

I was quite happy with the ptae7000 black levels so are they the same as the w7000's and people on here think the ptae7000 black levels aren't great either or am I going to be very disappointed with the black levels in comparison to the ptae7000?

If people are not happy with their black levels, the first place they should look at, is their room and screen selection. This is one reason why you see some people talking about good black levels with a projector and another talking about that same projector not having good black levels. You want better black levels, make the room less reflective and don't use a screen combination that gives you too much brightness in best image mode and you will have better black levels. Control of ambient light is the key. In a bat cave with complete control of ambient light most any decent projector will have acceptable black levels if you have the brightness set correctly and a projector like a JVC will have great black levels.
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post #1235 of 3365
5/10/12 at 6:20am
My room is currently light controlled and painted flat grey (ceiling and walls) with dark grey carpet and I have a high contrast screen goo screen. So that is my reference room with the ptae7000. I'm doing some modifications to the room now and painting it all flat black, and I am changing the screen from a high contrast (grey) goo screen to a white elune vision reference screen.

So unfortunately my variables are not fixed to compare the 7000's. I'm losing a grey screen but hopefully compensating somewhat with the black walls. I'll definitely report back on my own impressions but in the meantime what is the consensus here... if all room variables are the same, which is the better black level performer, the ptae7000 or the w7000?
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post #1236 of 3365
5/10/12 at 7:53am
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Originally Posted by jimmy12 View Post

if all room variables are the same, which is the better black level performer, the ptae7000 or the w7000?

Projector's don't have "better black level performance", they have better on/off CR. You can take a projector that has very poor performance and puts out only 100 lumens and you take a second with excellent on/off CR and 1500 lumens, it is very likely that the second one would have "poorer black level" even though it is a far better performer as it pertains to on/off CR. Black level is the result of lumens in relation to size of screen (and light pollution).

If the Panasonic puts out less light than the Benq, even if the Benq has better on/off CR (which it is not clear it does), it will still have a higher black level.
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post #1237 of 3365
5/10/12 at 8:25am
Ok... you're right, my question needed more clarity. I am referring to the absolute blackest black the projector is capable of. Sure, the in-scene contrast is likely great on the w7000 as it also is in my opinion on the ptae7000, so what I'm talking about are the dark scenes in movies or even movie credits - which projector is going to look greyish and which is going to look more inky black? Or even a 2.35 image on a 16:9 screen... which am I going to notice the black bars more. I'm looking from input from people who have seen both projectors in the same environment (knowing that yes, there is obviously variations unit to unit and yes calibration/picture settings will have an impact). It is just a general question to get the general consensus from those who have seen both units. Nothing more.
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post #1238 of 3365
5/10/12 at 8:28am
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Ron, those Viewsonic's look similar to the ZD101 glasses and also similar to the BenQ glasses.

The ZD201's are on the lower right and are flawless with the BenQ. All the other DLP Link glasses had some red flash leakage on the right eye - Especially noticeable on my HP screen. The 201's are balanced very well. I have several pair, so it's not a 1 off chance. They are all performing the same. These glasses changed my mind about DLP link glasses.


Jason, if I am not seeing anything of a red flash leakage (at least I don't think I am) is there any other improvement with the 201s? I will need more than 1 pair of glasses at some point soon, of course. But I wear glasses which are fine with the Viewsonic and fine for my JVC with its glasses. I thought someone remarked pages back that there was not enough room for glasses with the Optoma 201s?
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post #1239 of 3365
5/10/12 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by RonF View Post

Jason, if I am not seeing anything of a red flash leakage (at least I don't think I am) is there any other improvement with the 201s? I will need more than 1 pair of glasses at some point soon, of course. But I wear glasses which are fine with the Viewsonic and fine for my JVC with its glasses. I thought someone remarked pages back that there was not enough room for glasses with the Optoma 201s?

I like them because they are light and comfortable. I wear prescription glasses and personally don't have any issues, but everyone's fit is going to be different.

The red flash leakage would stand out for me in any 3D movie in 2:35:1 (looking at the black bars) or a dark 3D concert like Peter Gabriel and the New Blood Orchestra. It's subtle and only obvious when A/B between the ZD201's and the rest of the DLP link glasses.
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post #1240 of 3365
5/10/12 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by jimmy12 View Post

Ok... you're right, my question needed more clarity. I am referring to the absolute blackest black the projector is capable of.

The blacks bars will look darker on the Panny if all factors are equalized.
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post #1241 of 3365
5/10/12 at 11:50am
I calibrated the BenQ in 3D mode today, but haven't had the chance to watch anything else. The main issue is that I wanted to keep the contrast high to keep extra brightness, but you start to run out of red at the top end if you do that. I decided that it was worth the sacrifice for 3D, as too dim of an image is going to be a larger issue than a slightly bluish grayscale at 85-100%. At the defaults, I measured an average grayscale dE of just over 30, and even after calibration it was barely under 10 I believe, so you can't be totally color accurate in 3D mode.

Perhaps with other glasses it would work better, but these are when BenQ provided and I'm guessing will be the pair most commonly used with it, so it's what I'll use for reviewing. I'll have to get to Hugo and Cars 2 this week, as well as Puss in Boots which ghosted really badly on the Sony 95ES when I tested it.
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post #1242 of 3365
5/10/12 at 2:34pm
Looking for a sharp 3D projector:

I really don't care for the black levels since I still can live with my old NEC XVGA DLP projector and I recently just installed a BD GIII 119" screen. However, I would like to know if I can get the W7000 to fill the BD GIII 119" at ~14.2'? Thanks in advance.

Michael
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post #1243 of 3365
5/10/12 at 2:48pm
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Originally Posted by X-2001 View Post

Looking for a sharp 3D projector:

I really don't care for the black levels since I still can live with my old NEC XVGA DLP projector and I recently just installed a BD GIII 119" screen. However, I would like to know if I can get the W7000 to fill the BD GIII 119" at ~14.2'? Thanks in advance.

Michael

You are right at the edge, with around 0.2' to spare to fill that 119" screen with the BenQ from that distance. What gain is the screen? It should be plenty bright, and the BDIII should give you some better black levels as well.
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post #1244 of 3365
5/10/12 at 4:29pm
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You are right at the edge, with around 0.2' to spare to fill that 119" screen with the BenQ from that distance. What gain is the screen? It should be plenty bright, and the BDIII should give you some better black levels as well.

Thanks Smack for your quick reply. The BDIII has the 1.4 gain and I will be sitting at ~15'-14' to the screen. Attached are some pics from my old setup before I installed the BDIII screen. Do you think this should work for my setup? Thanks.

Edit: the projector is 6-7 years old and the wait for a sharp/good 3D projector has come true.

Michael

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post #1245 of 3365
5/10/12 at 7:47pm
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Originally Posted by X-2001 View Post

Thanks Smack for your quick reply. The BDIII has the 1.4 gain and I will be sitting at ~15'-14' to the screen. Attached are some pics from my old setup before I installed the BDIII screen. Do you think this should work for my setup? Thanks.

Edit: the projector is 6-7 years old and the wait for a sharp/good 3D projector has come true.

Michael

I would use Coderguy's screen calculator (look at his signature) to make sure the offset from center is going to be fine. I have the BenQ installed right in the center of the screen, and the range of the lens offset doesn't seem to be huge on it. It's also a bit of a pain to get right after using motorized lens adjustments on the past few projectors, but it gets the job done eventually.
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post #1246 of 3365
5/11/12 at 2:54am
Do you know how can I get into the service menu. ?

In the older w6000 was: "Press menu and goto Last tab which is information page. Press up, down, up, down. You should enter the service menu."

The method is applicable for the w7000. ?

Also if i want have access to the ISF menu should put the code:
"131342"
W7000 has a numeric keypad on the remote control. ?

I had the epson 5010 but i returned it 3 times (focus problems) and now waiting the w7000.
A friend of mine will do calibration, but i need to know the service menu access method (maybe for tweaking iris) and if the code "131342" is correct for access to ISF menu. (and how i type it, has a remote control keypad. ?)
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post #1247 of 3365
5/11/12 at 9:57am
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I would use Coderguy's screen calculator (look at his signature) to make sure the offset from center is going to be fine. I have the BenQ installed right in the center of the screen, and the range of the lens offset doesn't seem to be huge on it. It's also a bit of a pain to get right after using motorized lens adjustments on the past few projectors, but it gets the job done eventually.

Thanks Smarck. I've checked his calculation matrix and it looks like the W7000 will be placed all the way back to the wall with the lens zooms out to the max. Also, do you think I should get an A-lens to pair with the W7000 since my BDIII screen is a 2.35 format? I also read that the A-lens can help shorten the distance. Is that true? Many thanks in advance.
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post #1248 of 3365
5/11/12 at 12:00pm
I believe an A-lens streches the picture horizontally 1.33x, so I think you would move the projector forward and with the A-lens 1.33x strech you would still mantain your current 16:9 width but with a 2:35 aspect ratio.
The picture will be smaller vertically(all direction really) since you moved it forward, but horizontally it will be streched to the current 16:9 width of where the projector is at now,before moving it forward.Your 16:9 screen will be smaller in this forward position and since you are already at full zoom you can't make it bigger.
Ofcorse if you had the wall space (width wise) and the screen was big enough, you could leave the projector where it is and do the 1.33 streach as is, giving you a 2:35 screen with the same vertical hight you have now.
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post #1249 of 3365
5/11/12 at 1:29pm
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I believe an A-lens streches the picture horizontally 1.33x, so I think you would move the projector forward and with the A-lens 1.33x strech you would still mantain your current 16:9 width but with a 2:35 aspect ratio.
The picture will be smaller vertically(all direction really) since you moved it forward, but horizontally it will be streched to the current 16:9 width of where the projector is at now,before moving it forward.Your 16:9 screen will be smaller in this forward position and since you are already at full zoom you can't make it bigger.
Ofcorse if you had the wall space (width wise) and the screen was big enough, you could leave the projector where it is and do the 1.33 streach as is, giving you a 2:35 screen with the same vertical hight you have now.

Thanks for the useful info. Looks like A-lens + W7000 is the best choice for me since we only watch movies 99% at night, occasionally with some Karaoke nights or parties (videos with 4:3 format). I think it's time to search for a fixed A-lens.

I have a question for the AV staff here, do you guys have special promotions/deals to ship the W7000 with 2x free BenQ GenII 3D glasses because one of our members (J. Skovgaard) got his W7000 with the free 3D glasses. These GenII 3d glasses are more comfortable to wear than the ZD201 ones as he had stated in his post. Thanks ahead for the help.

Michael
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post #1250 of 3365
5/11/12 at 9:53pm
Hi, I've stumbled upon this used "ISCO Anamorphic Lens 1.33x S with motorized sled". Has anyone on here used this lens before? I know it has HQ optics and made in Germany, but would like to know how it performs in real environment. Thanks.

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post #1251 of 3365
5/11/12 at 10:50pm
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Hi, I've stumbled upon this used "ISCO Anamorphic Lens 1.33x S with motorized sled". Has anyone on here used this lens before? I know it has HQ optics and made in Germany, but would like to know how it performs in real environment. Thanks.


The S is the smaller A-lens so I think your throw and panel size need to be taken into consideration. I am not qualified to further comment since I do not own one. FWIW, I do own an ISCO 4XL but so far have had limited experience with it. My newly installed BenQ W6000 was recently sent back due to (lack of) sharpness issue. My W6000 is ~17.5 ft back and is paired with a 125" wide 2.37 Seymour screen. My TR is > 2 so I had no noticeable issues on the crosshatch - lines looked straight to me. Wish I could comment on the sharpness but I think people here will tell you it's a great lens but with a heavy price tag.

I intentionally got the XL and not the S to be more "future proof" - I think 4XL can handle a greater number of projectors now and in the future . GetGray is the expert on the lens and from the photo, i think the stand is also made by him. Here is a thread from the 2.35 forum
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post #1252 of 3365
5/11/12 at 11:08pm
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The S is the smaller A-lens so I think your throw and panel size need to be taken into consideration. I am not qualified to further comment since I do not own one. FWIW, I do own an ISCO 4XL but so far have had limited experience with it. My newly installed BenQ W6000 was recently sent back due to (lack of) sharpness issue. My W6000 is ~17.5 ft back and is paired with a 125" wide 2.37 Seymour screen. My TR is > 2 so I had no noticeable issues on the crosshatch - lines looked straight to me. Wish I could comment on the sharpness but I think people here will tell you it's a great lens but with a heavy price tag.

I intentionally got the XL and not the S to be more "future proof" - I think 4XL can handle a greater number of projectors now and in the future . GetGray is the expert on the lens and from the photo, i think the stand is also made by him. Here is a thread from the 2.35 forum

Thanks, I can get the L model. However, since I only need a fixed A-lens, I think the Panamorph FVX200 will be a better choice for my tight setup. Will this model work better? thanks.

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post #1253 of 3365
5/12/12 at 4:33am
Has anyone received their updated W7000 with latest firmware back? If so is it any better?
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post #1254 of 3365
5/13/12 at 9:34am
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Has anyone received their updated W7000 with latest firmware back? If so is it any better?

And on a related note - AVS was to have received updated units from BenQ this past week, shipped out I believe on the 8th. Does anybody know if they receivevd their shipment yet?
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post #1255 of 3365
5/13/12 at 10:34am
The new version is supposed to be 1.03
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post #1256 of 3365
5/14/12 at 4:22am
What's the best a/v receiver for this projector?
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post #1257 of 3365
5/14/12 at 8:48am
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What's the best a/v receiver for this projector?

Umm... one with the proper inputs and outputs??

I'm not sure what sort of question this is - it's like asking folks "what's the best car to buy?"

I'm sure the Krell Evolution 707 would perform wonderfully, though some may argue other "best" options. It can be yours for $25,000.
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post #1258 of 3365
5/14/12 at 2:28pm
Sorry, long thread, I *will* read the whole thing, but I figured after searching and not finding it, I'd throw the question out there and maybe there will be a response by the time I get to the last page -

Does this thing REALLY not support HDMI CEC?!?

I've been through the menu 12 times and the manual twice and I can find no mention of it. I've tested and tested and can't seem to make it turn on via my Onkyo TX-NR1009 or when I connect it directly to my Oppo BDP-93 :-(
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post #1259 of 3365
5/15/12 at 5:14pm
So did AVS receive there shipment from BenQ today?
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post #1260 of 3365
5/15/12 at 5:38pm
This projector can use DLP link Glasses only ?
I thought I read a post about using the RF Monster/Optoma glasses with it ???
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