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post #1441 of 3383
5/31/12 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

The new style Ben Q glasses arrived today. They are very light and comfortable (I wear prescription glasses). The lenses look slightly larger than the ZD201's, I'll have to compare them side by side when I get home.

Overall very nice construction with an easy to access power button.

The real question is, are they going to perform the same as the ZD201's in regard to the ability to completely block the red flash from both lenses. Peter Gabriel's 3D concert is very easy to see this with since it's a relatively dark stage concert with a lot of dark areas of the screen.

let's find out tonight how they compare.


I decided to charge these now so they are ready to check out tonight. I noticed the instructions state 'Only use the including charging cable, other cables may damage the glasses'. It's not the typical microusb blackberry type charger, it looks like this:



These might be the lightest glasses in my collection. They weigh 38.5G or 1.3 ounces. The Sony glasses are 59G, ~ 2.1 ounces. The ZD201's are ~ 50G.

speaking of the ZD201's, they keep going down in price, almost the same price as the new BQ's. I'll know in 10 minutes tonight if these are as good as the 201's.
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post #1442 of 3383
5/31/12 at 1:29pm
I won't go to bed until I find out.
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post #1443 of 3383
5/31/12 at 2:21pm
come on zombi are they any good?
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post #1444 of 3383
5/31/12 at 2:29pm
He probably can't make himself to take off the glasses: they are that good.
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post #1445 of 3383
5/31/12 at 6:08pm
may be they were faulty and they hypnotized him...and now hes trying to take over the world...
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post #1446 of 3383
5/31/12 at 6:12pm
So I checked out this projector.

Do any current owners notice an annoying high pitched noise when the iris is working? I'm not talking about the usual racket (clicking and clacking) that all projector irises make.
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post #1447 of 3383
5/31/12 at 8:42pm
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Pool tables make a great holding place for projectors and glasses.



The ability to hold a sync seems to be much better than the ZD201's which are a little sensitive. The new BenQ's lock in and stay locked.

Going back and forth, I immediately notice the frames more on the ZD201's than the new BenQ's. You can see the lenses are larger on the BQ and the frame is are just outside of my peripheral vision.



Time to check out some 3D.
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post #1448 of 3383
5/31/12 at 8:42pm
Wow, still no zombie's post? I'm glad I went to sleep.

EDIT: WHA?.. We posted this at the same time!
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post #1449 of 3383
6/1/12 at 5:58am
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that took a lot longer than 10 minutes. I'm seeing some strange behavior with the new glasses that I need more time to evaluate.

all following comments are regarding the glasses ability to block the red flash. With my HP screen and the brightness of the W7000 in 3D, this is very noticeable to me in dark scenes with the various glasses i've tested.

The new BenQ's on first impression seem to leak more of the red flash through than the other glasses i've tested (including the original BQ). It's easy to test, just pause on a dark scene (space scene in Despicable me is good to use) and A/B the glasses at the same time.

The ZD201's are excellent at blocking the red flash in both lenses. I have several pairs, it's not unique to a specific sample. There is something special about the lenses they are using that completely blocks all signs of the red flash.

I'll test it more this weekend. It's a shame because they are very comfortable and light weight, plus have a great sync. But seeing red flash leaking through the lenses is going to drive me nuts when I know the 201's are perfect in this regard.
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post #1450 of 3383
6/1/12 at 6:10am
That's too bad You probably should report this to BenQ. They seem to listen to you
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post #1451 of 3383
6/1/12 at 7:11am
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Originally Posted by Elix View Post

That's too bad You probably should report this to BenQ. They seem to listen to you

it was very late when I doing this last night, i'll have to validate what I found this weekend when I have more time.

I haven't used the W7000 in a little while due to other projects and it was a great reminder to see how excellent the 3D is on this projector. 3D ghosting may or may not bother people directly, but it does have an effect on the overall image quality in regard to clarity and sharpness of the final image as seen through the glasses.

Watching the W7000 in 3D is like watching 2D on other projectors.. crystal clear and most important to me.. no flicker. Another topic that may or may not directly bother someone, but it's likely going to cause eye fatigue during extended viewing. The refresh rate of the W7000 and the glasses is about as good as I could ask for. The image is very solid and I could watch 3D for hours without an issue.

My eyes see the flicker on the glasses for all the other projectors with the JVC being the worst. The HW30 and 5010 are close, subtle but can still detect it. I mentioned this 2+ years ago when comparing the Acer 5360 vs my original RS40. There was no comparison in the comfort of extended viewing. I'm also seeing no RBE in 3D mode even though I am highly sensitive to RBE and can see RBE even on 6x color wheel projectors.

This is a tough scene in DM3D for many of the current 3D projector. The W7000 handles it flawlessly.







Crystal clear 3D performance, very sharp on my 142" 2.8HP

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post #1452 of 3383
6/1/12 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

that took a lot longer than 10 minutes. I'm seeing some strange behavior with the new glasses that I need more time to evaluate.

all following comments are regarding the glasses ability to block the red flash. With my HP screen and the brightness of the W7000 in 3D, this is very noticeable to me in dark scenes with the various glasses i've tested.

The new BenQ's on first impression seem to leak more of the red flash through than the other glasses i've tested (including the original BQ). It's easy to test, just pause on a dark scene (space scene in Despicable me is good to use) and A/B the glasses at the same time.

The ZD201's are excellent at blocking the red flash in both lenses. I have several pairs, it's not unique to a specific sample. There is something special about the lenses they are using that completely blocks all signs of the red flash.

I'll test it more this weekend. It's a shame because they are very comfortable and light weight, plus have a great sync. But seeing red flash leaking through the lenses is going to drive me nuts when I know the 201's are perfect in this regard.

I've got several pairs of the ZD201's and all are equally perfect. Easy to get over in the UK though for around £40+VAT. Coming from a JVC X3/RS40 the 3D on the BenQ kills it - its stunning in comparison. I agree with what you say around the eye fatigue Zombie - the X3 left you feeling that your eyes have been "working" whereas 3D on the BenQ you could watch it all day and not feel tired.

I've been using an ND4 filter lately to help improve black levels in 2D as clearly the JVC is much better in this department. The BenQ will never be in the same league as the JVC but to make the blacks look blacker, the ND4 filter helps make watching dark movies more filmlike. I've only used the filter for movies though, no point in using it for regular viewing or sport etc.
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post #1453 of 3383
6/1/12 at 11:34am
I have a comment concerning the 3d of benq.
I notice that although the picture is sharp, but in fast moving objects, especially those who tend to come off the screen, i see on their edges some sort of distortion, which is not ghosting.

If I can describe, I would say that looks like the effect you see in the movie predator. Once the predator is invisible, we see the backround behind the predator to be visible, but distorted like to see through a prism.

Like a halo effect in 3d.

This is how I see outside the borders of moving objects.
The phenomenon exists everywhere, whether made use of the frame interpolation, or not.

There are other holders who see this, or should not assume that the benq malfunctioning. ?
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post #1454 of 3383
6/1/12 at 5:23pm
Hi zombie10k,
Have you seen 3D on both the Optoma HD33 & Acer 9500.
Is the 3D on the W7000 also better than those two models ?
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post #1455 of 3383
6/1/12 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by The big picture View Post

Hi zombie10k,
Have you seen 3D on both the Optoma HD33 & Acer 9500.
Is the 3D on the W7000 also better than those two models ?

I would like to know this as well.
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post #1456 of 3383
6/1/12 at 8:36pm
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sorry guys I haven't seen the 9500 or the HD33. If Acer fixes the 9500, i'll likely get one to demo/review. In the meantime, I know the 1:1 mapping issue will bother me because it did on the W7000 before they fixed it recently.

I like the VESA 3D port on the HD33. Their decision to go with the RF transmitter is a great idea since the RF Optoma glasses are the same as the popular MV3D's. This gives us choices of which glasses to run, RF based or DLP Link.

If the HD33 had the same kind of lens shift as the W7000, i'd be interested in getting one. With my setup, I can mount the projectors just a few inches above eye level for max gain on my 2.8HP. As an admitted brightness fanatic (especially in 3D), I decided on the W7000 since it's a perfect match for the HP screen in this situation.

When Optoma announced the 8300 with lens shift, I was hoping it was going to be HP friendly.
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post #1457 of 3383
6/2/12 at 12:16am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

If the HD33 had the same kind of lens shift as the W7000, i'd be interested in getting one.

It doesn't have an IRIS though so if the Benq IRIS is working properly then the Optoma hd33 is going to be even brighter in those darker 3D movies, but to me that's not a big concern.

I think the Optoma hd8300 is pretty good if someone gets a refurb, but it's too pricey new. I'm kind of torn between a refurb hd8300 or a new hd33/hd3300.
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post #1458 of 3383
6/2/12 at 5:22am
Does anyone know, how to save in the service menu the new value of speed color wheel. ?
when I put the value 3x, each time I restart the benq, returns to 2x. (sequene and lamp waveform also returns to the original setting)

Is there any way, or is a matter of firmware and can not be absolutely nothing about this problem. ?


no one see RBE with the new firmware (1.03) ? ONLY ME. ?
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post #1459 of 3383
6/2/12 at 9:14am
zombie, have you tried these glasses? http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-PGD-...653391&sr=1-18
They look like great performers.
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post #1460 of 3383
6/2/12 at 9:57am
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no one see RBE with the new firmware (1.03) ? ONLY ME. ?

How many hours do you have on projector? I can see RBE on 6x projectors but the RBE went down considerably for me after 100 hours on the lamp on the W7000, I have to try and find it now in 2D and don't see it in 3D. give it some time after you put some hours on it.

Even after 100 hours, I am still measuring 1500 lumens @ D65. Let's see how the lamp holds up over the next 200 hours which is usually the time it will drop a fair amount.


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Originally Posted by Elix View Post

zombie, have you tried these glasses? http://www.amazon.com/ViewSonic-PGD-...653391&sr=1-18
They look like great performers.

These look identical to the new BenQ's, even down to the power button location and style. It's likely that BenQ and Viewsonic have OEM'd them from the same manufacturer (the same way Optoma and Monster licensed the same glasses from BIt Cauldron)

I haven't had a chance to revisit my findings from the other night, I'll get back to comparing the glasses this weekend. It's looking like the ZD201's are going to be the king of DLP link glasses for a while though.
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post #1461 of 3383
6/2/12 at 1:29pm
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How many hours do you have on projector? I can see RBE on 6x projectors but the RBE went down considerably for me after 100 hours on the lamp on the W7000, I have to try and find it now in 2D and don't see it in 3D. give it some time after you put some hours on it.

I have about 50 hours now.
But the point is, with the previous version of firmware I could not see RBE at all, even with rbe test patterns.

Now, if i adjust the wheel το 3Χ, the RBE disappears like with the previous version of firmware (1.00-4)

If i let it to 2X, i see enough RBE in 2D (less in 3D).

Nobody knows how to save the new value (speed wheel) in service menu. ?

once i began to see rbe with the new firmware, stop seeing movies with benq.
I'm very disappointed.
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post #1462 of 3383
6/2/12 at 2:39pm
On some BenQ projectors there is a Save Settings option in a factory OSD (service menu). But I can't find it on your photos. I guess your best bet is to ask BenQ directly (or ask zombie to ask them).
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post #1463 of 3383
6/2/12 at 5:13pm
On the subject of color wheel speeds, the 1X term originated from the original single chip DLP design displaying the primary colors one time each 1/60 second (North American versions). The original 3 segment color wheel design rotated at 3600 rpm or 60 times per second. A 3 segment color wheel that rotates at 7200 rpm would be referred to as a 2X color wheel. However with the introduction of 6 and 7 segment color wheels where the primary colors are repeated two times per each mechanical revolution of the color wheel, a 7200 rpm color wheel may be referred to as 4X, even though the mechanical speed of the wheel is only 2X. I believe that the 2X setting in the BenQ's menu means 2X mechanical speed with a 4X effective speed, and the 3X setting has an 6X effective speed. This would correspond to the somewhat confusing 4X/6X listings in some BenQ spec. sheets for the W7000. Also the max. available color wheel speed may be different depending on frame rate of the source signal is 24Hz, 50Hz or 60Hz. Anyone tested to see if the 2X vs. 3X setting in the menu makes a difference as far as visible RBE with 60Hz inputs or does it only make a difference with 24Hz inputs (or perhaps also 50Hz inputs as used outside North America).
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post #1464 of 3383
6/2/12 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by quack724 View Post

I just received my replacement W7000 with 1.03. During my lunch hour (working today), I quickly installed the projector to my Chief and centered everything, left my A-lens out of the way and focused as best as possible. I then put on AVS HD pattern to see if I could get the same level of pixel definition as Zombie in his post # 941 but to my eyes when I look up close, i still cannot see the pixel definition. In fact, the center pixel looks a bit "broken up" in terms of fringing .. a bit out of focus (Sorry I don't have a picture. I had limited time during my lunch hour). Now, that being said, when I did a quick demo of Star Wars Ep IV ANH it looked pretty sharp to me. The Oppo 93 splash screen also looked sharper.

Not sure if I maybe fumbled the install or focus. My projector is about 17 ft back and it's hard for me to know if my focus is perfect. I'm also using a lot of the vertical lens shift so maybe that has something to do with it? So my question to everyone with 1.03 - are you seeing the same level of pixel definition as Zombie ? And if you are, any of you guys using max lens shift?

If after I double check my install & focus and the results are still the same I'm still reluctant to send back the W7000 again. This is my third projector. I'm hoping it's my issue.

Like Zombie's is what you should see.
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post #1465 of 3383
6/3/12 at 4:45am
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Originally Posted by Ron Jones View Post

On the subject of color wheel speeds, the 1X term originated from the original single chip DLP design displaying the primary colors one time each 1/60 second (North American versions). The original 3 segment color wheel design rotated at 3600 rpm or 60 times per second. A 3 segment color wheel that rotates at 7200 rpm would be referred to as a 2X color wheel. However with the introduction of 6 and 7 segment color wheels where the primary colors are repeated two times per each mechanical revolution of the color wheel, a 7200 rpm color wheel may be referred to as 4X, even though the mechanical speed of the wheel is only 2X. I believe that the 2X setting in the BenQ's menu means 2X mechanical speed with a 4X effective speed, and the 3X setting has an 6X effective speed. This would correspond to the somewhat confusing 4X/6X listings in some BenQ spec. sheets for the W7000. Also the max. available color wheel speed may be different depending on frame rate of the source signal is 24Hz, 50Hz or 60Hz. Anyone tested to see if the 2X vs. 3X setting in the menu makes a difference as far as visible RBE with 60Hz inputs or does it only make a difference with 24Hz inputs (or perhaps also 50Hz inputs as used outside North America).

I tried 2X with 24hz, 50hz, 60hz. = Always see RBE. (2D/3D)
I tried 3X with 24hz, 50hz, 60hz. = Never see RBE. (2D)
(in 3d, the speed was 1X, and i can not change it, with previous firmware has no rbe, but i dont know where was the speed wheel)

Tested with htpc. (ati 4890)
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post #1466 of 3383
6/3/12 at 8:38am
Ok, its decision time for me, I have narrowed it down to two projectors, Acer 9500 and Benq W7000 for my 3D, sports, and gaming projector. I know the W7000 is brighter but I think in my setup with a 119in HP screen shelf mounted, I don't think it will be a big deal. To me I only think the $800 difference will play a difference in 3D. Is 3D that much better on the W7000 or will the Optoma ZD201 make 3D easier on the eyes like it does with the W7000. And of course if I choose the Acer, I will wait for a firmware that is supposed to happen in the next 2 weeks or so
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post #1467 of 3383
6/3/12 at 8:40am
What does the new firmware on Acer 9500 fix?
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post #1468 of 3383
6/3/12 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by Elix View Post

What does the new firmware on Acer 9500 fix?

Apparently the 1:1 pixel mapping
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post #1469 of 3383
6/3/12 at 9:09am
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I know the W7000 is brighter but I think in my setup with a 119in HP screen shelf mounted, I don't think it will be a big deal.

I assume you mean 119" diagonal.

Right now in this moment I am experimenting with my new W7000 on my 165" HP screen using the ZD201s.

While in 2D, the W7000 easily lits my HP even in eco mode, there would IMHO be no way to have a satisfactorily lit picture with 119".

Right now I'm experimenting with smaller picture sizes, and with my new bulb I feel the picture to be well lit at a diagonal size of 90".

It is as cruel as it is...

Probably I will attach a second smaller HP screen to the ceiling at a smaller distance (in addition to the 165"), in order to get the same viewing angle as I have with the more distanced (165" as well) large screen in 2D.

And if I may make a recommendation: don't let yourself be fooled by thinking to allow for a much darker picture in 3D: you will be spoiled by the bright picture in 2D, and thus most certainly be very disappointed by the loss of light (not to 80%, but by 80% to a resulting 20%) in 3D.

EDIT Just for fun I did a calculation: the lux factor (brightness per square) between the 90" and the 165" taking into account the additional difference between full and eco mode results in exactly compensating a light loss of 77%. I was not aware of this before finding the 90" diagonal subjectively as satisfying in brightness terms as is the eco/165" setup with 2D. Funny...
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post #1470 of 3383
6/3/12 at 10:27am
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Apparently the 1:1 pixel mapping

Nobody has gotten an answer on a firmware fix from Acer to my knowledge. If you don't believe me call Acer support and check for yourself. As of last week ACER Corporate support told me there was no news on a firmware fix and they deny any problems with the unit contrary to some reports otherwise.
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