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post #1891 of 3788
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Originally Posted by MikeArms24 View Post

I've found the dynamic iris a bit too loud on mine, as well as the fan in standard mode. This is most likely because the projector is only a few feet above our heads. I'm wondering if there are any tricks besides a full hush box to quieting these things down while still using their features. If not, I don't think I'm losing out on too much without the dynamic iris and extra brightness.
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Try playing with the iris settings.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1381679/official-benq-w7000-owners-thread/1650#post_22149579

Steps on accessing service menu:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1381679/official-benq-w7000-owners-thread/1650#post_22150635
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Thanks Imblind, I'll try that.
post #1893 of 3788
I'm still awaiting for amazon to get the W7000 in stock. Hopefully soon. In the mean time will my xpand x103 glasses work with the w7000?
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I also wanted to know when the w7000 originally came out? I'm wondering if a new model is due out soon and what it might feature.
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Been comparing this projector to the Epson 5010, which I got to see, great picture amazing, but got turn down do to the Ghosting which wasen't bad but still there, specially during fast moving scene. Zombie10k made a comment that the w7000's blacks where better than the Sony hw30, another projector I got to view and was very impressed with the colors it provided and pleasing blacks, but it also crosstalked another turn off. If the w7000 has better blacks that the Sony I'm sold. What screen should I look into HP grey or 1.4 white or HP white screen size about 120-130". Also from reading this projector is a bit dim in 3D mode, what would it compare to Sony , JVC , or what?
post #1896 of 3788
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Originally Posted by rob47v View Post

Been comparing this projector to the Epson 5010, which I got to see, great picture amazing, but got turn down do to the Ghosting which wasen't bad but still there, specially during fast moving scene. Zombie10k made a comment that the w7000's blacks where better than the Sony hw30, another projector I got to view and was very impressed with the colors it provided and pleasing blacks, but it also crosstalked another turn off. If the w7000 has better blacks that the Sony I'm sold. What screen should I look into HP grey or 1.4 white or HP white screen size about 120-130". Also from reading this projector is a bit dim in 3D mode, what would it compare to Sony , JVC , or what?

I must have 1 too many if I said that, the W7000 does not have blacks as good as the HW30 (at least in 2D mode). The W7000 is 1500 lumens @ D65 and the Sony is closer to 900, so if I equalized the light output, it might have been closer. Blacks in 3D is a different story. I have no problem with the black levels on the W7000 in 3D mode.

each projector has a series of compromises, it really depends on the environment of the room and the primary content being watched. I've been using the W7000 on my HP screen to tune my new AVR and it's great to be able to do this with an entire room full of lights. Once I was done, I tried out the 2 killer scenes in Tron and these are flawless on the W7000.

The way I see it now in this price range is that 2 projectors are required if your looking for the best possible 2D or 3D image. This is for those looking for that last 10-20% of performance. Most are going to be thrilled with projectors like the 5010 and HW30 which were the middle ground projectors this year. On the opposite end, we have JVC mastering 2D + excellent blacks and BenQ on the 3D side with zero ghosting, zero flicker.

maybe this will change with a miracle in the fall for 1 'do-it-all projector' under 10k.


@ curtishd - BQ didn't fix the firmware issue until nearly May of the this year with some dealers holding back stock until the fix. I'd be surprised to see a new model this year, but it's certainly possible.

The 103's will not work with the W7000, you'll need any brand of DLP link compatible glasses. The inexpensive True Depth 3D glasses from amazon work great.
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So if you will, what would the blacks of the w7000 compare to or at lest close to? Are they that gray? Also how about 3D brightness what would be its comparison. I ask since there aren't any w700 to be seen here in the Houston area.
post #1898 of 3788
From what everyone has measured and what most have said (but not all), the blacks are a little raised from the Benq w6000, but not world's apart.
There are w6000's to be seen at Fry's if you can talk them into setting one up in the theater room for viewing (might call ahead and ask).

People cannot exactly tell you "how gray" as there is no way to reference one mind to another. Go look at almost any DLP anywhere (Benq w1200, Mits hc4000, Optoma hd33) and the blacks on the w7000 might be a little better, but not by that much. That is the only way I can think of to "reference" it.

If you go to a commercial cinema and can live with those blacks, then you should be able to live with the blacks of a Benq w7000.
Edited by coderguy - 7/30/12 at 11:06pm
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Just got my W7000 hooked up yesterday. I have AT&T U-Verse as my TV/Cable service. They have a 3D channel for the Olympics, when I switch to it, I get two images, side by side. I then have to go to the pj and switch ON the 3D mode and switch it to "side-by-side mode" for me to view it in 3D. If I have the pj set on AUTO, it doesn't seem to detect. The pj will go into 3D mode when i switch to the blu-ray player (Panasonic 220) and Underworld (the only 3D movie I have at the moment) plays fine.

Also, when I've got everything switched over and watching 3D on U-Verse, and I go to the channel guide, everything looks wide and doubled. I have to alternate opening and closing each eye to read the guide/menu.

I'm wondering if I'm missing something, or if this is common for anyone else out there?

Thanks for the feedback.
post #1900 of 3788
Anyone?

I just came back from Quebec Acoustic re: watching the BenQ 7000 in 3D.
But something strange was with the unit he demo'd.
It was a brand new box with the 1.03 firmware...I was SHOCKED to see the screen turn red when 3D kicked in...IS THIS NORMAL?

He called the BENQ rep but I guess he's incompetent as he did not know if the red was normal!!!

I was impressed with the 3D but that red was annoying has hell.
Oh and I wasn't impressed with the black when they put the movie Sanctum. I'm hoping that the red was screwing the black performance.

I have a RS45 and could not believe the difference between the 2 units with the black level.

thanks
Edited by Fatshaft - 7/31/12 at 2:52pm
post #1901 of 3788
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Originally Posted by Fatshaft View Post

Anyone?
I just came back from Quebec Acoustic re: watching the BenQ 7000 in 3D.
But something strange was with the unit he demo'd.
It was a brand new box with the 1.03 firmware...I was SHOCKED to see the screen turn red when 3D kicked in...IS THIS NORMAL?
He called the BENQ rep but I guess he's incompetent as he did not know if the red was normal!!!
I was impressed with the 3D but that red was annoying has hell.
thanks

that red is normal and how the DLP link works. the red syncs with the sensor in the glasses to get you the 3D image. that's why you need a decent pair of glasses (zd201 or truedepth) to block most of the red. i have the truedepths, and i can't notice it unless i start looking for it. zombie says the 201s block it all.
post #1902 of 3788
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Originally Posted by flyingmunkey View Post

that red is normal and how the DLP link works. the red syncs with the sensor in the glasses to get you the 3D image. that's why you need a decent pair of glasses (zd201 or truedepth) to block most of the red. i have the truedepths, and i can't notice it unless i start looking for it. zombie says the 201s block it all.

Mr. Monkey,

Thanks for replying...I had BenQ glasses on and was not impressed with the blacks.
I watched scenes from Under the sea (That looked flawless) It destroys the RS45! The lack of ghosting is what did it for me.
I tried really hard to see it but could not!
After seeing that demo I was thinking to myself...ah man I gotta get this 7000. The 3D I saw is what I want!

Then we played the movie Sanctum and it was not watchable for me. The blacks were just not there.
I came out of there more confused and frustrated than before.

I went from...ya I'm gonna sell my RS45 and get the 7000 to there's no way I can live with the black I saw!

did we do something wrong?

Thanks
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Fatshaft View Post

Mr. Monkey,

Thanks for replying...I had BenQ glasses on and was not impressed with the blacks.

I watched scenes from Under the sea (That looked flawless) It destroys the RS45! The lack of ghosting is what did it for me.
I tried really hard to see it but could not!

After seeing that demo I was thinking to myself...ah man I gotta get this 7000. The 3D I saw is what I want!
Then we played the movie Sanctum and it was not watchable for me. The blacks were just not there.
I came out of there more confused and frustrated than before.

I went from...ya I'm gonna sell my RS45 and get the 7000 to there's no way I can live with the black I saw!
did we do something wrong?

Thanks

I replied to one of your questions on the last page of this thread. The best performing glasses at this time are the Optoma ZD201's, they block the red flash perfectly from both eyes. I am not a fan of other BQ glasses (the new or old models). The ZD201's are the leader in this area.

I don't think sanctum is a great example - dark movies + 3D isn't a great combo. another example of average dark 3D is Fright night and Underworld Evolution.

The 3D on the w7000 is on a different level than the RS45. The image is rock solid with zero flicker and no ghosting. it's not possible on this projector, regardless of the content.

If your comparing black levels in 2D from the RS45 to the W7000, that's not going to work out well. To start, the W7000 is cranking out 1500 lumens in user1 mode and the RS45 is closer to 900. You'd have to equalize the light output for a better comparison. In the end, we'd be trying to compare best in class black levels vs. the typical DLP black floor which isn't great even on more expensive models.

Some are running an ND filter to knock down the light in 2D to help out here.

You can always run a 2 projector setup. cool.gif I use the jVC RS55 for 2D and the W7000 for 3D.
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As stated before I've been kicking the thought of this projector around for awhile , but after seeing its brother the w6000 and its blacks, well I'm confused. My old Sony SXBR panel provided better blacks, richer colors. Might a filter take care of the problem and if so how much, and how many lumens are being given up? The Epson 5010 is sure looking good, but I don't want anything that will ghost, and I know DLP's don't. The image looked milky not clean, I always hear that DLP's have a pop to them well where was it?
post #1905 of 3788
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Originally Posted by rob47v View Post

As stated before I've been kicking the thought of this projector around for awhile , but after seeing its brother the w6000 and its blacks, well I'm confused. My old Sony SXBR panel provided better blacks, richer colors. Might a filter take care of the problem and if so how much, and how many lumens are being given up? The Epson 5010 is sure looking good, but I don't want anything that will ghost, and I know DLP's don't. The image looked milky not clean, I always hear that DLP's have a pop to them well where was it?

Generally they do have pop and the w6000 is no exception. Chances are something wasn't calibrated or setup properly.
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I replied to one of your questions on the last page of this thread.

Yes you did and I thank you for it...many thanks for your help Zombie. I thank you even for the help prior to buying my RS45 back in December...Your imput was greatly appreciated!
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You can always run a 2 projector setup. cool.gif I use the jVC RS55 for 2D and the W7000 for 3D.

Unfortunately re: 2 projector setup....I just can't afford it right now. It's so sad that that's a solution.

Anyways...just wanted to update that I just rented Sanctum and just finished watching it in 3D of course.
I wanted to compare what I had in my memory from the 7000 at the store to what I just finished watching in my home on the RS45.

I will NOT be changing my projector...the details on the RS45 was stunning to me. the difference was way in a different league, the RS45 even looked a lot brighter on the 45. On top of all that, Sanctum had almost no ghosting.
The picture was extremely detailed to me...even the wife said it looked great.
Oh and get this...I have 201 hrs on the bulb.
I watched the movie on normal lamp (I never use high mode)
My 3D setting is:
Contrast is at +2
Brightness is at -6
Color is at +10
Sharpness is at +35
Detail Enhance is at +25
Lens Aperture is at -15
Using WinDVD from HTPC
It is PLENTY bright in my completely dark HT room.

This has been a great learning experience for me.

I read like a madman everyday on this wonderful forum but at the end of the day always trust YOUR OWN EYES!
I'm glad I saw the 7000 but am completely spoiled with the contrast of the RS45...I'm going to live with the f%K$%en ghosting of my RS45 because for me at the end of the day, well the blacks are too important for me.
Please this is only for my eyes and speak ONLY for me.

Kind regards,

PS. JVC, I hate you with a passion!!! Why can't you make a ghost free projector??? Come out with a ghost free projector and I'm your SLAVE forever!!!!
HURRY UP!
post #1907 of 3788
Thread Starter 
was this projector at the store calibrated? it only takes a few clicks of the remote to destroy the image.

The only possible way to compare 2 projectors is in the same environments, both fully calibrated. The W7000 is quite a bit brighter in user 1 Mode. It has 1500 lumens @ D65. The RS45 has about 900 @ D65.

JVC is going to have to pull a miracle (major panel changes) to offset the intense ghosting in the difficult scenes. The HW30 and Epson 5010 did a much better job with 3D this year than JVC. Both also have better contrast than the W7000. On the 2D side, the RS55 is the best 2D i've seen under 10K (including the VW95)..

The W7000 is for those with zero compromise on ghosting or flicker. I find the flicker on the JVC as annoying as the crosstalk. For those sensitive to flicker, watching 3D on the W7000 is like watching 2D - rock solid and easy on the eyes.

Also, the original BenQ glasses are not as good as the ZD201's, these are the glasses BQ should be shipping with the W7000.
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Originally Posted by money042 View Post

Just got my W7000 hooked up yesterday. I have AT&T U-Verse as my TV/Cable service. They have a 3D channel for the Olympics, when I switch to it, I get two images, side by side. I then have to go to the pj and switch ON the 3D mode and switch it to "side-by-side mode" for me to view it in 3D. If I have the pj set on AUTO, it doesn't seem to detect. The pj will go into 3D mode when i switch to the blu-ray player (Panasonic 220) and Underworld (the only 3D movie I have at the moment) plays fine.
Also, when I've got everything switched over and watching 3D on U-Verse, and I go to the channel guide, everything looks wide and doubled. I have to alternate opening and closing each eye to read the guide/menu.
I'm wondering if I'm missing something, or if this is common for anyone else out there?
Thanks for the feedback.

I have cablevision, and the exact same thing...
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Received my ZD201's, thanks to everyone who recommended them. I see why everyone says they're the best. They don't stay on quite as tight as the true depths, but I like everything about them including not having to recharge the batteries. I like the True Depths too, but those will remain for guests. In retrospect, I should have ordered a couple more considering the combined shipping discount from UK.
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Originally Posted by money042 View Post

Just got my W7000 hooked up yesterday. I have AT&T U-Verse as my TV/Cable service. They have a 3D channel for the Olympics, when I switch to it, I get two images, side by side. I then have to go to the pj and switch ON the 3D mode and switch it to "side-by-side mode" for me to view it in 3D. If I have the pj set on AUTO, it doesn't seem to detect. The pj will go into 3D mode when i switch to the blu-ray player (Panasonic 220) and Underworld (the only 3D movie I have at the moment) plays fine.
Also, when I've got everything switched over and watching 3D on U-Verse, and I go to the channel guide, everything looks wide and doubled. I have to alternate opening and closing each eye to read the guide/menu.
I'm wondering if I'm missing something, or if this is common for anyone else out there?
Thanks for the feedback.

Normal it seems.
I have an epson 6010 and im from Australia, our olympics is also showing side by side in 3D and i have to manually select it through the projectors menu etc...
Seems its hard for a projector to detect side by side images so they give us the option to do it manually.
post #1911 of 3788
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Originally Posted by kkrambo View Post

That's interesting that we've both seen this with Dead Space 2. Even more so that I saw it on PS3 and you saw it on PC. For me it happened in chapter 2 or 3. First at the bench just next to the trash compactor, and then at various places after that. At the point where you have to fly up the chute out of the trash compactor there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel. Every time I looked up at that bright light the iris would close and I'd have to look away to get the picture back. That made it pretty difficult to get out of that tunnel. smile.gif But in other places where the iris closed there was no obvious bright light like that.
I've played further another night and the problem has not occurred again -- just that one night. I'm in chapter 4 or 5 now, the church. I haven't noticed any degredation of the projected image. I've left the dynamic iris on. I will turn it off next time and see if the blacks are noticibly worse.

I played more Dead Space 2 last night and this problem occurred again. Except this time the iris did not close entirely but it closed mostly leaving a very dim image on the screen. Again, I could use the PS3 controller to look a different direction and the iris would open and the image would restore. Then I would look back in the original direction and the iris would close again. This time I tried turning off the dynamic iris while the iris was open. Surprisingly, when I turned dynamic iris off, the iris would close to the very dim position and remain fixed there. When I turned dynamic iris back on, it reverted to the bad behavior. Next I turned the projector off and back on and then the problem was gone and the iris behaved normally. On both occassions this has occurred, I had been playing for about an hour when the bad behavior started.
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COLOR SMEARING AND POSTERIZATION
Okay, I've spent three days looking for a previous post I thought I read on this, complete with photos, but I can't find it, so bringing this up here.

I've discovered that my W7000 does some pretty serious posterization and color blocking with Brilliant color ON. I am using a new Panny 500 for source, and in using the spears calibration disc had to turn down contrast a click on the player to get all of the grey scale bars. Once done, it seemed to calibrate fairly nicely.

That being said - I've noticed some serious blocking of colors, mostly blue and red, on highly saturated images.
People faces in the olympics will have red posterized blotches on them, and where I really realized the issue was when watching "Up". In the opening menu, all of the clouds and the blue sky were posterized, including the blue pop up menu, which was supposed to be a subtle gradient.

A little fiddling around and I found that ALL the noise and posterization goes away when brilliant color is turned OFF. Subsequent tests on HD broadcast imagery showed that the red posterization was also now gone. I can just about replicate the good image by lowering contrast pretty significantly and leaving brilliant color ON, but this produces a less pleasing image than just turning BC off.

QUESTIONS - was this discussed earlier in the forum? Where?
Is there a setting somewhere I am missing that is out of whack, thus not allowing the use of Brilliant color?

I want my BC back! If you take away the blocking, I think the image WITH BC has more pop and detail, but evenutally a bright, saturated scene will kill it with the posterization.

Could someone see if they can replicate the posterization on "Up".? It's not subtle, at least on my Panny 500/W7000?2.8 High Power combo.
Or, maybe suggest a setting that I am overlooking?
THANKS
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by TSO View Post


Could someone see if they can replicate the posterization on "Up".? It's not subtle, at least on my Panny 500/W7000?2.8 High Power combo.
Or, maybe suggest a setting that I am overlooking?
THANKS

Can you provide a time mark / scene? I can check it out later tonight on my W7000.
post #1914 of 3788
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Originally Posted by kkrambo View Post

I played more Dead Space 2 last night and this problem occurred again. Except this time the iris did not close entirely but it closed mostly leaving a very dim image on the screen. Again, I could use the PS3 controller to look a different direction and the iris would open and the image would restore. Then I would look back in the original direction and the iris would close again. This time I tried turning off the dynamic iris while the iris was open. Surprisingly, when I turned dynamic iris off, the iris would close to the very dim position and remain fixed there. When I turned dynamic iris back on, it reverted to the bad behavior. Next I turned the projector off and back on and then the problem was gone and the iris behaved normally. On both occassions this has occurred, I had been playing for about an hour when the bad behavior started.

So once you turned the W7000 off then on again did you try to turn the DI off then see if the problem reoccurred?
Also can you control how open or closed the iris is in the menu?
post #1915 of 3788
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Originally Posted by kkrambo View Post

I played more Dead Space 2 last night and this problem occurred again. Except this time the iris did not close entirely but it closed mostly leaving a very dim image on the screen. Again, I could use the PS3 controller to look a different direction and the iris would open and the image would restore. Then I would look back in the original direction and the iris would close again. This time I tried turning off the dynamic iris while the iris was open. Surprisingly, when I turned dynamic iris off, the iris would close to the very dim position and remain fixed there. When I turned dynamic iris back on, it reverted to the bad behavior. Next I turned the projector off and back on and then the problem was gone and the iris behaved normally. On both occassions this has occurred, I had been playing for about an hour when the bad behavior started.

RETURNING W7000 to Amazon

Unfortunately I will not be able to give anymore input on the Iris problems with Dead Space 2. The only thing that can be said is its probably not a problem isolated to your projector since i saw the same thing on mine.

I really wanted this projector to work out but apparently I'm RBE sensitive. I could see rainbows only every once in a while, like moving my eyes across the screen on high contrast scenes. I could have dealt with that as it was pretty minor but after two weeks with this projector i noticed my eyes started to ache a lot. Depending on the film I found my eyes starting to ache and sting after about 30 min of watching. I hate to return it as I got it for just $1,949.00 when Amazon was selling them themselves. I'm also returning the tru Depth glasses, which performed great (Journey To the center of the earth was awesome in 3D).


What non-DLP projector should I look into? I would appreciate better blacks but will hate missing the detail, "pop" and clear 3D of w7000. I'm also going to miss the $1949 price tag!
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This is the first time I've heard of someone complaining that the RBE is actually making them physically feel pain. Is it a headache inducing thing for some people?
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For me personally its eye strain. My eyes start aching, not much different than that chlorine in the eyes feeling after swimming.
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For me personally its eye strain. My eyes start aching, not much different than that chlorine in the eyes feeling after swimming.
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Thread Starter 
how many hours on the lamp? I am RBE sensitive and it bugged me for a bit at first but seemed to drop off noticeably after 100+ hours on the lamp.
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I am not with the projector right now, but you have to look no further than the menu screen - its a blue sky with light clouds and a big bunch of balloons on the right.
The sky and clouds are posterized, and their is some grain present. Turn BC off, and it goes away!. I can also turn BC off and then start cranking the contrast up, and it will present some of the same artifacting.
Tonight while watching the news, the anchor had a large bright blue background behind him. It was solid blue but because of shadows it had slight gradients all over it. At every gradient, the blue was posterized, even with BC off!

Generally, since I received the PJ I've thought the color was a little too much. And, it seems that as soon as a color red strays off pure candy apple red, it very quickly becomes a rather gaudy magenta/pink.

I have to think that the scaling of the colors may be off somehow, as in instead of running from 16-256 they're set to something else.

I could have sworn that in this thread someone rather confusingly posted some photos of clouds and was making the same comment. I remember that one of the replies right under the sky photo was "and what exactly are we supposed to be looking at here????". The original poster wasn't very clear (second language?), but they DID say that they had found a solution.

Now I can't find that series of posts ANYWHERE. Was it in another thread, maybe??? Anyone?
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