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post #1921 of 3365
8/1/12 at 9:44pm
I am not with the projector right now, but you have to look no further than the menu screen - its a blue sky with light clouds and a big bunch of balloons on the right.
The sky and clouds are posterized, and their is some grain present. Turn BC off, and it goes away!. I can also turn BC off and then start cranking the contrast up, and it will present some of the same artifacting.
Tonight while watching the news, the anchor had a large bright blue background behind him. It was solid blue but because of shadows it had slight gradients all over it. At every gradient, the blue was posterized, even with BC off!

Generally, since I received the PJ I've thought the color was a little too much. And, it seems that as soon as a color red strays off pure candy apple red, it very quickly becomes a rather gaudy magenta/pink.

I have to think that the scaling of the colors may be off somehow, as in instead of running from 16-256 they're set to something else.

I could have sworn that in this thread someone rather confusingly posted some photos of clouds and was making the same comment. I remember that one of the replies right under the sky photo was "and what exactly are we supposed to be looking at here????". The original poster wasn't very clear (second language?), but they DID say that they had found a solution.

Now I can't find that series of posts ANYWHERE. Was it in another thread, maybe??? Anyone?
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post #1922 of 3365
8/1/12 at 10:49pm
Ok, Easy question -
I'm using User one for my main viewing, and color temp is set at normal.
What are the default or "normal" range of settings in the Color Management window??
IN the manual, when it shows a photo of a menu window, it typically shows the default numbers. For the CMS window, it shows the Hue, Gain and Saturation for red at 15. Is this the "median setting?? If so, I may have discovered my problem, as all of mine are in the 50's and 60's.
Thanks for your responses!
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post #1923 of 3365
8/2/12 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

how many hours on the lamp? I am RBE sensitive and it bugged me for a bit at first but seemed to drop off noticeably after 100+ hours on the lamp.

About 80-90 hours. Do you suggest I wait and see if it improves? Did your eyes ache and then stop aching after 100 hours. The rainbows are not severe but the eye strain is annoying. Seems much worse in action movies.
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post #1924 of 3365
8/2/12 at 7:25am
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Originally Posted by TSO View Post

COLOR SMEARING AND POSTERIZATION
Okay, I've spent three days looking for a previous post I thought I read on this, complete with photos, but I can't find it, so bringing this up here.
I've discovered that my W7000 does some pretty serious posterization and color blocking with Brilliant color ON. I am using a new Panny 500 for source, and in using the spears calibration disc had to turn down contrast a click on the player to get all of the grey scale bars. Once done, it seemed to calibrate fairly nicely.
That being said - I've noticed some serious blocking of colors, mostly blue and red, on highly saturated images.
People faces in the olympics will have red posterized blotches on them, and where I really realized the issue was when watching "Up". In the opening menu, all of the clouds and the blue sky were posterized, including the blue pop up menu, which was supposed to be a subtle gradient.
A little fiddling around and I found that ALL the noise and posterization goes away when brilliant color is turned OFF. Subsequent tests on HD broadcast imagery showed that the red posterization was also now gone. I can just about replicate the good image by lowering contrast pretty significantly and leaving brilliant color ON, but this produces a less pleasing image than just turning BC off.
QUESTIONS - was this discussed earlier in the forum? Where?
Is there a setting somewhere I am missing that is out of whack, thus not allowing the use of Brilliant color?
I want my BC back! If you take away the blocking, I think the image WITH BC has more pop and detail, but evenutally a bright, saturated scene will kill it with the posterization.
Could someone see if they can replicate the posterization on "Up".? It's not subtle, at least on my Panny 500/W7000?2.8 High Power combo.
Or, maybe suggest a setting that I am overlooking?
THANKS
I just got my projector back after the upgrade and I am noticing this even when BC is off. I watched the original Star Wars and noticed it a lot with the scenes in the desert. Before the upgrade I could shut BC off and I wouldn't notice it. Now, BC is off and I notice it. I don't remember it being this bad.
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post #1925 of 3365
8/2/12 at 7:46am
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Originally Posted by curtishd View Post

So once you turned the W7000 off then on again did you try to turn the DI off then see if the problem reoccurred?
Also can you control how open or closed the iris is in the menu?
I don't remember whether I turned DI off again after the reset. I'll be sure to test that if it happens again.
I don't believe you can manually open or close the iris but I believe its been posted in this thread that there are adjustable iris limits in the service menu. I have not changed these limits (or even opened the service menu).
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post #1926 of 3365
8/2/12 at 7:56am
Well it looking like amazon might have some in stock now. Great as I want to buy from a place that will accept returns without any issues should the projector have any issues and then have to deal with the manufacture warranty (nothing against the manufacture warranty but I don't want to be stuck). Anyone here return theirs to amazon and what is amazons return policy on projectors?
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post #1927 of 3365
8/2/12 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by curtishd View Post

Well it looking like amazon might have some in stock now. Great as I want to buy from a place that will accept returns without any issues should the projector have any issues and then have to deal with the manufacture warranty (nothing against the manufacture warranty but I don't want to be stuck). Anyone here return theirs to amazon and what is amazons return policy on projectors?

Amazon, like with all that they sell, will process the return easily. I swapped one out 3 weeks ago with no problem... They would have just taken a return as well, but I wanted a different unit.
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post #1928 of 3365
8/2/12 at 4:36pm
Has anyone changed their settings to quiet the fan down in normal lamp mode? I'm wondering if the lamp will undergo any damage if I run the fan closer to the economy mode setting. Considering I'm at sea level and the room is decently cool most of the time, it seems like this may be possible. The difference in noise between economy and standard is so much, I hate having to compromise brightness for noise or vice versa.

I noticed there were what looked like some settings for the fan to dynamically change speeds based on temperature in the service menu. That way if it got to a certain temp the fans could crank up.
Edited by MikeArms24 - 8/2/12 at 8:12pm
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post #1929 of 3365
8/2/12 at 6:49pm
I should have my W7000 on Saturday! I will give my review and comparison with the JVC RS40 (I recently sold mine). BUT I would like to see what you all out there have for settings... Do you think we should start a separate thread for settings with screen specs?
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post #1930 of 3365
8/2/12 at 8:03pm
Congrats Curtis, gotta love Amazon Prime. I've been running mine with default settings so far but I was searching for others' settings as well.
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post #1931 of 3365
8/2/12 at 8:06pm
Thread Starter 
there are variances with each projector (usually due the lamp) that can make one person's excellent calibration look awful on the same model projector.

it's best to leave all the settings at default if you don't have access to a calibrator or calibration equipment.
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post #1932 of 3365
8/3/12 at 4:23pm
I was watching a 3d movie last night (wrath of the titans) and I noticed that the screen was divided into two perfect halves, the left half was slightly darker, the right half was lighter with a line going right down the center of the screen. Almost like the iris was closed on the left half of the scren only. I didn't try to change out and back into 3d mode to see if it was a temoprary issue but will tonight. Hope nothing is wrong with my projector.
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post #1933 of 3365
8/3/12 at 5:32pm
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Originally Posted by MikeArms24 View Post

I was watching a 3d movie last night (wrath of the titans) and I noticed that the screen was divided into two perfect halves, the left half was slightly darker, the right half was lighter with a line going right down the center of the screen. Almost like the iris was closed on the left half of the scren only. I didn't try to change out and back into 3d mode to see if it was a temoprary issue but will tonight. Hope nothing is wrong with my projector.

My Infocus x10 use to do this sometimes when using brilliant color. Try turning it off.
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post #1934 of 3365
8/3/12 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by MikeArms24 View Post

I was watching a 3d movie last night (wrath of the titans) and I noticed that the screen was divided into two perfect halves, the left half was slightly darker, the right half was lighter with a line going right down the center of the screen. Almost like the iris was closed on the left half of the scren only. I didn't try to change out and back into 3d mode to see if it was a temoprary issue but will tonight. Hope nothing is wrong with my projector.

Can you reproduce this? Was BC on? Only while in 3D?
On a side note: anyone have any DLP glasses that they are looking to sell cheap or trade for IR xpand glasses?
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post #1935 of 3365
8/3/12 at 7:13pm
I will be trying it again in a few hours. I had BC on, and from reading earlier this forum, 3D looks best with BC on. I really hope the problem was just a hiccup and I won't be able to reproduce it. It was very noticeable last night, and that was the first time it happened.
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post #1936 of 3365
8/3/12 at 11:40pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

there are variances with each projector (usually due the lamp) that can make one person's excellent calibration look awful on the same model projector.
it's best to leave all the settings at default if you don't have access to a calibrator or calibration equipment.


...fair enough, but what's the harm in at least trying other owners' settings to see for oneself how it looks in comparison? Are the unit to unit varianes so drastic that we shouldn't even share calibration settings?

I've been on the fence whether or not to invest in buying and learning calibration. Some say the W7000 looks fairly close to calibrated out of the box, others have said differently, claiming that colours OOTB are awful and a calibration can bring it to "reference" levels (barring black level)
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post #1937 of 3365
8/4/12 at 2:50am
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Originally Posted by TweaKing View Post

...fair enough, but what's the harm in at least trying other owners' settings to see for oneself how it looks in comparison? Are the unit to unit varianes so drastic that we shouldn't even share calibration settings?
I've been on the fence whether or not to invest in buying and learning calibration. Some say the W7000 looks fairly close to calibrated out of the box, others have said differently, claiming that colours OOTB are awful and a calibration can bring it to "reference" levels (barring black level)

Using others setting are basically a waste of time. My W7000 was awful OOTB, i calibrated it with 5 hours on the bulb, then again at 30, and now at 150. Each time, settings needed to be corrected. I was about to tell when its needed. When I had my JVC no ones setting were the ones that was correct for my projector. Too many factors come into play, I would not even send mines off to be calibrated. It will have to be done in my theater about every 150 hrs. But there is no harm in trying tho, especially if you have no calibration software. Just save you original setting if it looks too far off
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post #1938 of 3365
8/4/12 at 3:38am
I watched the lorax in 3d last night and had the same problem. In the bright scenes there was a faint line right down the middle of the screen.
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post #1939 of 3365
8/4/12 at 1:49pm
I tested again last night to check for the half screen issue, watched Lorax, had no problems. I also watched Deep Sea and didn't have the issue. I'm thinking that sometimes the projector gets stuck in that mode and it needs to be taken out of 3d mode and back in... not sure about that though since I haven't been able to reproduce it and "fix" it like that.
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post #1940 of 3365
8/4/12 at 4:38pm
You can try the settings listed on the review sites projectorcentral.com and projectorreviews.com for the W7000. central is with cinema which I use, projector with user1 I think. Sadly though agree generally with zombie and blee that high variation among units. I generally liked mine out of box, but those sites' settings did not work. Try color temp - If faces look red, go cool, I needed to do that. Skin tone setting can help, and just minor tweaks going into the color settings. Usually I am changing by a point or two. Have now realized and also read on review site that variation in movie color will still be frustrating as cannot continually compensate for that. blee right that have to keep tweaking as bulb ages, too. Costs quite a bit for calibrator or that equipment, so do your best. Other than those night scenes, which still look good, but could be darker, happy with my picture.
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post #1941 of 3365
8/4/12 at 4:51pm
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Originally Posted by TSO View Post

COLOR SMEARING AND POSTERIZATION
Okay, I've spent three days looking for a previous post I thought I read on this, complete with photos, but I can't find it, so bringing this up here.
I've discovered that my W7000 does some pretty serious posterization and color blocking with Brilliant color ON.
I think my W7000 does this too. Here is what the Windows 7 desktop looks like with Brilliant Color on/off. My HTPC is connected via HDMI.


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post #1942 of 3365
8/5/12 at 6:35am
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Originally Posted by MikeArms24 View Post

I was watching a 3d movie last night (wrath of the titans) and I noticed that the screen was divided into two perfect halves, the left half was slightly darker, the right half was lighter with a line going right down the center of the screen. Almost like the iris was closed on the left half of the scren only. I didn't try to change out and back into 3d mode to see if it was a temoprary issue but will tonight. Hope nothing is wrong with my projector.
I am having the exact same problem. Called Benq about it but they had never heard of it and had no suggestions, other than check my cables and receiver. This happened in Kung Fu Panda and Journey... Center of the earth. Exactly as you describe. My BC was also on. But who cares, this shouldn't happen. It was only noticeable in bright scenes.

See my earlier post about this #1878. No one commented on it however.
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post #1943 of 3365
8/5/12 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by nellie75 View Post

I am having the exact same problem. Called Benq about it but they had never heard of it and had no suggestions, other than check my cables and receiver. This happened in Kung Fu Panda and Journey... Center of the earth. Exactly as you describe. My BC was also on. But who cares, this shouldn't happen. It was only noticeable in bright scenes.
See my earlier post about this #1878. No one commented on it however.

Ok, so I had this issue again last night (in 3D, left half of the screen is darker, right half is lighter, in two rectangular sections split right down the middle) when I was watching Alpha and Omega 3D. I turned off BC, checked and the issue as far as I could tell was gone. I turned BC back on (while still in 3D mode) and I did not detect the issue for the remaining hour or so of the movie. I think that may be a workaround. Can you test that and see if it works for you?
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post #1944 of 3365
8/5/12 at 3:06pm
Ok so here is my review:
This projector is great. I came from the JVC RS40 and feel the switch was definitely worth while. The W7000 pic is FAR brighter! The sharpness is about the same as the RS40. I have been using the user 1 and cinema modes with BC on and so far I am very pleased. I also feel that the black levels and great, sure the RS40 had better black levels but not by leaps and bounds. One of my complaints would be to have a better/wider lens shift and electronic shift and focus. Personally I think the brighter the better and while black levels are important I like bright!
As for 3D, I don't have any dlp link glasses, I only have IR glasses so that will have to wait.
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post #1945 of 3365
8/5/12 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by kkrambo View Post

I think my W7000 does this too. Here is what the Windows 7 desktop looks like with Brilliant Color on/off. My HTPC is connected via HDMI.
This is the signature electronic manipulation of the (not so) Brilliant Color. There is only 24 bits to work with, and the heavy-handed image manipulation reduces in the number of available colors, especially the blue.
Here is from the Acer 9500French site (Kraine):
14366-4.jpg

Optoma took a different route in adjusting the brightness of the color wheel segments. The bottom line is increasing the brightness involves compromise, at least with this years DLPs.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=fr&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.audiovideohd.fr%2Ftests%2F313-Acer-H9500BD-5.html
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post #1946 of 3365
8/5/12 at 9:29pm
Thread Starter 
I'm not seeing BC do anything offensive on my W7000. i'm also looking at this scene on my Samsung LCD and Panasonic plasma.

@ kkrambo and TSO - can you guys grab this scene from your W7000?

BQ W7000 w/ brilliant color on

starwars1.jpg

Acer 9500 from Kraines site. I'd like to see how this scene looks with the latest firmware.

14366-4.jpg
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post #1947 of 3365
8/5/12 at 9:39pm
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Originally Posted by curtishd View Post

Ok so here is my review:
This projector is great. I came from the JVC RS40 and feel the switch was definitely worth while. The W7000 pic is FAR brighter! The sharpness is about the same as the RS40. I have been using the user 1 and cinema modes with BC on and so far I am very pleased. I also feel that the black levels and great, sure the RS40 had better black levels but not by leaps and bounds. One of my complaints would be to have a better/wider lens shift and electronic shift and focus. Personally I think the brighter the better and while black levels are important I like bright!
As for 3D, I don't have any dlp link glasses, I only have IR glasses so that will have to wait.

I had the RS40 and RS55, and I like the W7000 better. Its brighter, sharper, flawless 3D, no bulb issues, excellent for sports, better motion, does better with sources less than 1080p, it even excels in certain blu rays like Avatar. But when it comes to watching blu ray discs, there is nothing better than watching a JVC
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post #1948 of 3365
8/6/12 at 6:34am
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

I had the RS40 and RS55, and I like the W7000 better. Its brighter, sharper, flawless 3D, no bulb issues, excellent for sports, better motion, does better with sources less than 1080p, it even excels in certain blu rays like Avatar. But when it comes to watching blu ray discs, there is nothing better than watching a JVC

Wow, what can the JVC do better than the w7000? Your list of Benq "betters" was pretty exhaustive.
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post #1949 of 3365
8/6/12 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by MikeArms24 View Post

Ok, so I had this issue again last night (in 3D, left half of the screen is darker, right half is lighter, in two rectangular sections split right down the middle) when I was watching Alpha and Omega 3D. I turned off BC, checked and the issue as far as I could tell was gone. I turned BC back on (while still in 3D mode) and I did not detect the issue for the remaining hour or so of the movie. I think that may be a workaround. Can you test that and see if it works for you?

Wish I could help but I returned my W7000 to Amazon. I discovered that I'm RBE sensitive and it was causing eye strain. I loved the projector otherwise. However I was getting iris problems on dark games like Dead Space 2 and of course the weird shade line down the middle in 3d.

Now I'm projector less and am looking for something else. I'm not too optimistic on finding a better non-DLP projector, especially in the $1950 price.
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post #1950 of 3365
8/6/12 at 9:40am
Question is everyone experienceing the line in the middle of the screen in 3D mode? Also while I'm at it since there aren't any w7000 for me to view. I've been looking at the 6000. Colors are amazing but the pic looked grainy why is that sharpness was moderately low. Input would be most appreciated.
Edited by rob47v - 8/6/12 at 2:58pm
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