Official BenQ W7000 Owners Thread - Page 104

How exactly do you turn down the light output for 2d in the service menu?

Thanks,
Tom

Thanks Toe.

What a great way to explain the difference in sharpness for us zoomers.

I need to upgrade my JVC RS2 to a newer model. The 7000 destroys it when it comes to sharpness I'm anxious to try the Darbee tomorrow.

Tom

Thanks for the tip. The projector is the Benq W7000.

Yes, good tip, as that should work. I had similar problem with my older 5.1 processor some years ago, and I would have to reset it by turning off/on. But last few years nothing; only thing I can figure is I have all equipment now connected to surge protectors (a few are better than others), as I did nothing on the humidity front.

 

After using a couple W7000s I think they are the same as other projectors (I have used over the years). Virtually all of them drift during warm up... from JVC, Sony, BenQ, Optoma and others... My guess is the different elements in the lens assembly move slightly as they warms up causing the focus to drift. The last one I used the image moved slightly to the right as it warmed up too.

 

So if you focus with the projector warmed up you are setting a point where it looks best after the elements are warmed up. When you first turn it on the elements aren't in the same alignment which makes the image out of focus. So it's not that the projector has better focus after it warms up... rather it duplicates your prior setting (the elements are at the same state) when it warms up. If you focus right after turning it on it will get out of focus after warming up but will look wonderful the next time you turn it on... at least for a few minutes.

Edited by Charles R - 2/21/13 at 10:23am

Hey guys i would like to ask. I have a HD33 and looking for a upgrade in performance. How much darker are the blacks in 2D mode of the W7000 compared to the HD33? And also is the W7000 really brighter in 3D mode? And by what approimate %? Ive read loads of reviews and they can be so conflicting. Hoping skme members here have experience of both machines.

Thanks.

The w7000 is not a huge upgrade over the hd33, other than a boost to textual sharpness. The hd33 actually is one of the brighter 3d DLP's other than the w7000, as the hd33 has had lumens posted for it in 3d modes ranging from 850 all the way to 1000 lumens. It is about 900 lumens in 3D, whereas the w7000 is 1050ish. This is too small of a difference to consider for an upgrade. As far as black levels, well it's hard to answer since it depends on how aggressive you set the IRIS, but the hd33 has higher native on/off than the Benq at least slightly, so the difference isn't going to be huge even though the Benq has the IRIS unless you like the IRIS. That said, the w7000 does have the advantage of controlling the lumens. Don't get me wrong, it is an upgrade overall, but if I were really looking for an upgrade, I'd keep the hd33 for 3D and just get a used JVC or Sony or something. I have seen the hd33 and own the Benq, that is my opinion anyhow.
Edited by coderguy - 3/2/13 at 10:03am

Well I am on my third w7000 and I think this one may be ok. The Iris is still a bit loud but quieter than previously. I think I may just use Coder's suggestion and turn the DB off and tweak the manual Iris.

Coder - what did you come up with for your Iris settings?

Coder or Zombie - would you guys mind posting some settings you guys came up with for 3D? I know it will not be the same as mine but a good starting point is all I am looking for as I do not have the equipment to calibrate behind the glasses. I am finding it very difficult to get good color in 3D due to the glasses...

Is anyone out there playing 3D PC games on the BenQ?? If so which software are you using? It looks like iZ3D has stopped operation but you can still download their drivers.
I have an ATI card so I can either use that or the DDD software....any suggestions?

Thanks coder guy, fantastic reply. I just noticed your projector pick 2012 link, really concised, excellent work . Based on it im gonna get a HW50es as an all arounder and use the HD33 when i want absolutely perfect 3D. I do love the optomas 3D, its so beautiful and clean with really nice colours and sharpness.

As a side note the HW50es has the best 720p to 1080p scaling for gaming i have seen in a projector. The scaling is so good it almost looks native.

The reason i considered the benq is becuase hometheater website game the HD33 3 out of 5 stars for 3D, stating that its 3D was really dim. This did not match my experience as i find the HD33 fine for 3D on my 70in diagonal.

The same site gave the benq 5 of 5 stars for 3D saying it is the brightest 3D DLP projector... Hence i thought it would make a great upgrade. Yet as yourself and other forums members have said.... Its not that much brighter than the HD33 in 3D. Yet their 2 extra stars above the optoma would lead readers to think it is vastly better than the HD33 for 3D which is not correct.

Anyway both HD33 and W7000 are great DLP projectors and owners of them should be happy they have the best affordable 3D experience
Edited by 3DMamper - 3/2/13 at 1:23pm

i was looking around but couldnt find .. how many hdmi inputs for video signals would the 7000 have? or better projectors in general ?

i was just thinking hdmi from blue ray and cable box might be better than routeing everything though the avr?

thanks

cheers

Hi Coderguy.. when do the top projector picks of 2013 come out?

cheers..

How would not using an AVR work? The projector doesn't do sound itself. And certainly HDMI video isn't altered in any way by going through an AVR, given it is digital after all. I fail to see where going direct would provide any benefit in any situation.

Hey delta...the w7000 has 2 HDMI inputs but you should not have a problem routing through the AVR as long as its just pass through and not touching the signal.

I started a thread about this, but thought maybe I'd throw it here too. this is troubling;

ok, so I don't really know what effect is called, and I'd bet it's not white wash...but in any scene with a bright, white sky....the entire sky is washed over with a 'blaring' white. all details are lost. example: looking out of the cockpit window in "Flight"....the sky over the beach in "ultimate wave tahitii"

admittedly, I have NOT painted my screen yet. just throwing image onto white painted wall (primer, actually) but I'd be hard pressed to think that the screen paint is going to completely fix this.

suggestions?

Did you try calibrating your picture?

Ive tweaked the settings a number of ways, but i haven't done any sort of formal calibration. much less hired a pro to do so. nothing has really helped...and I've played with basically all the settings.

You should at least do a basic contrast/brightness calibration with the free AVS709 disc (or other calibration disc if you have one). It sounds to me like your contrast is simply set to high which a quick adjustment with a calibration disc will fix.

Would this projector be a good upgrade from an Epson 8350?

I've had my 8350 for two years now and my warranty is almost up. I've had too replace it several times due to dust blobs and auto iris errors. So I don't want to keep it without a warranty.

Are the blacks better then the 8350? How much brighter can I expect this projector to be? I will be mainly watching 2d and don't plan on using the 3d. I need something bright with lens shift.

My other choice is the Epson 5020 but I don't know if I want to deal with Epson again.

I have a 16ft throw with a 102in Carada screen brilliant white 1.4 gain.

i have a denon 3313ci and you can adjust the video at the denon.. the 3d will pass through.. i notice the picture to my led tv seem a tad better direct from cable box..

its nice to know it has 2 inputs so you have some options 3 would be better ...

thanks..

its altered .. try and see.. from a cable box you run hdmi to projector and digital cable from the box to the avr for the sound!!!!

no altering of the signal.. i find the signal is slightly darker out of the denon..

cheers..

If it alters it then you must have configured it to do so. There is no reason the AVR should do anything other than pass it through untouched.

out of the box factory settings.. routing the signal via the denon avr makes the led picture a tad darker vs direct from cable box..

cheers..

Has anyone been able to calibrate the 3D mode yet behind their glasses? If so could you post your methods/results? I am still having trouble getting a realistic picture for 3D.
I am using the True Depth glasses and the 3D works pretty well but the picture looks dull and lifeless.

Does the light output go down in 3D when that mode is properly calibrated?

Thanks,
Tom
Edited by Tom Monahan - 3/7/13 at 2:54pm

White clipping...

You need to make sure the projector and the video source have the correct brightness/contrast settings, also try lowering your gamma temporarily and see if that helps (choose lower Gamma in Benq menu). Also in some rarer cases, both devices need to be optimally chosen for the color space that is compatible between the two (RGB generally for PC, ycbcbr or AUTO Detect for the Bluray Player).

Ultimately, you'll need to burn a copy of the AVS Rec 709 disk to check how much you are really clipping. There are going to be some devices / instances where you can't quite get the clipping perfect, fairly normal as it will depend on the player partly (believe it or not). I think I got everything unclipped and visible except the last highest white level. To get the overall best viewing experience, you really need calibration equipment.

Well, the Benq w7000 is an upgrade over the 8350 mainly due to sharpness and a brighter best mode, but the blacks aren't as good on the Benq technically unless you AMP up the Benq's IRIS. Yes the Benq can do darker blacks, but only with a very aggressive IRIS setting. The w7000 is more of an upgrade for HTPC and gaming sharpness than movie sharpness (though it will be an upgrade here as well). I would go with a used, new, or B-stock Sony or JVC and spend about the same as a new Epson if you really want the best movie experience instead of other uses. Otherwise, the Epson 5020 sounds like a good choice.

Yes, but I didn't measure how much, 10% to 20% is likely.

coderguy, epson is better than W7000 other than 3D mode?

My existing setup is non-dedicated setup but not much ambient light. Benq W10000 13 ft from 106" HP 2.8 screen. Thinking about W1070, W7000, 5020, the B stock sony if I can find one.

Thanks

Tom

Coderguy

I know it's possible to control the light output closing the iris on the service menu, but I can't mach the light output X dark on the same paused scene, when the dynamic black is on. My image gets washed out If I manually close the iris, but if I turn on the dynamic black, the projector have darker blacks and more output light on the same scene. Are there any more controls for the iris besides closing it down manually?

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