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post #61 of 3788
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Originally Posted by mikesnapp View Post

Zombie,

Where did you get the BenQ 3d glasses?

the projector and glasses came from AVS.
post #62 of 3788
Benq glasses info


http://www.benq.com/product/projector/3dglasses
post #63 of 3788
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Originally Posted by jmalto View Post

1. Manual iris? If so, available in 3d? - Dynamic Black is available in 3D, I am assuming this triggers the Iris as you can notice a difference in black levels

2. Can you switch between low and high lamp for 3d? - Yes

3. Is there masking in the 7000 and if so what kind of range does it have? - Not sure as I don't use it and didn't look. The projector does support a lot of various aspect formats.

4. Lens shift responsive and easy to use? - Yes, from what I used.

5. Is the lens stable/solid? - Yes, and the entire unit feels solid overall for a DLP

Black levels may be a tad ahead of the Epson 3010 but not much more in 2D. The HW30 has better blacks IMO if that helps. In 3D I'd say the 7000 does well and it is not as noticeable. If someone is looking for inky blacks in 2D and 3D, this is probably not the right unit from what I've experienced thus far. Keep in mind this is uncalibrated short of changing the color temp so things may change down the line once people have more time to tweak.

Thanks Jmalto!

Reason I was asking about the manual iris is I like cranking this down a bit more when throwing a 1.78 image vs a 2.35 image (I am doing the zoom method on my CIH screen) so brightness is similar between the 2......is there a manual iris and if so what kind of range does it have (the JVCs have a range of 0 to -15)?

Masking is something I like to use since I zoom a 2.40 image to fill the height of my 2.35 screen which leaves some slight overscan on the sides of the screen border. I like to mask this overscan since it spills a bit onto my speakers and is annoying otherwise. Can one of you guys check the menu to see if there is masking available and what range it has? Thanks!
post #64 of 3788
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Thanks Jmalto!

Reason I was asking about the manual iris is I like cranking this down a bit more when throwing a 1.78 image vs a 2.35 image (I am doing the zoom method on my CIH screen) so brightness is similar between the 2......is there a manual iris and if so what kind of range does it have (the JVCs have a range of 0 to -15)?

Masking is something I like to use since I zoom a 2.40 image to fill the height of my 2.35 screen which leaves some slight overscan on the sides of the screen border. I like to mask this overscan since it spills a bit onto my speakers and is annoying otherwise. Can one of you guys check the menu to see if there is masking available and what range it has? Thanks!

I should be more specific Toe my apologies, for the dynamic black it is either on or off, there is no sliding scale for it

I will check on the masking for you if Zombie doesn't beat me to it.
post #65 of 3788
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Originally Posted by jmalto View Post

I should be more specific Toe my apologies, for the dynamic black it is either on or off, there is no sliding scale for it

I will check on the masking for you if Zombie doesn't beat me to it.

Sounds good, thanks!
post #66 of 3788
Thread Starter 
Todd - I don't see any masking features or ability to adjust the iris. There has to be a service menu, I'd at least look around in there to see what's going on if I can find out how to get in.

This is way better in every way compared to the Acer 5360, but the theme is the same, there isn't any ghosting to be seen. Plus the W7000 is a lot sharper, FI in 3D, HP friendly lens shift, etc.

I'll check out some 3D gaming over the weekend and some SBS content as well.
post #67 of 3788
Thanks Jason. So what you are saying is I could finally watch Giants of Patagonia past the 6:30 mark with the 7000?
post #68 of 3788
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

Todd - I don't see any masking features or ability to adjust the iris. There has to be a service menu, I'd at least look around in there to see what's going on if I can find out how to get in.

If it is the same as the W6000 -- go to the last menu page that has bulb hours and such. Hit up, down, up, down on the remote and you should be in. Hope it works.

I have only had the W6000 for about six months, but I am tempted to jump to the W7000. I like that it has the faster CW. How is the noise level when it is in 6X as opposed to 4X?

Sounds like RBE is completely gone at 6X?

Thanks.
post #69 of 3788
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Thanks Jason. So what you are saying is I could finally watch Giants of Patagonia past the 6:30 mark with the 7000?

The absense of ghosting is immediately noticeable, everything looks clear and sharp in 3D. I watched the Peter Gabriel 3D concert for a while (starting at track 18, Red Rain) and it looked great. I also watched the M v A bridge scene and it's as good as it gets.

Comparing all other 3D projectors, the 1 thing that also stands out is the lack of flicker from the glasses.
post #70 of 3788
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Originally Posted by bdbaba View Post

If it is the same as the W6000 -- go to the last menu page that has bulb hours and such. Hit up, down, up, down on the remote and you should be in. Hope it works.

I have only had the W6000 for about six months, but I am tempted to jump to the W7000. I like that it has the faster CW. How is the noise level when it is in 6X as opposed to 4X?

Sounds like RBE is completely gone at 6X?

Thanks.

thanks, i'll try it tomorrow. I have a W6000 at work, the W7000 looks similar in 2D, but of course has the great 3D to go along with it, plus the faster color wheel. I can't tell when the color wheel speed is changing.

RBE has kept me away from several DLP's in the past, but I haven't noticed it yet on the W7000. It's pretty bad on my Acer 5360, so this is a big difference between the two.
post #71 of 3788
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

thanks, i'll try it tomorrow. I have a W6000 at work, the W7000 looks similar in 2D, but of course has the great 3D to go along with it, plus the faster color wheel. I can't tell when the color wheel speed is changing.

RBE has kept me away from several DLP's in the past, but I haven't noticed it yet on the W7000. It's pretty bad on my Acer 5360, so this is a big difference between the two.

Thanks. Sounds great. I do not see RBE too much with the W6000, but it is there often enough for me to notice. W7000 is very tempting.

Look forward to all your future posts.

Have a great night.
post #72 of 3788
I just read the owners manual (again) and don't see a picture mode of "3D" so I'm confused by Art's comment at ProjectorReviews.com:

Back to 3D and brightness. I’m hoping this will change, but the single 3D mode that exists isn’t near as bright on the screen as the brightest 2D mode, and that’s before you put on the glasses. This may well change.

The owners manual says the preset mode cannot be changed while in 3D mode but doesn't indicate what preset it is set to. The preset modes the manual shows include: Cinema, Dynamic, Standard, User 1/User 2/User 3 (no mention of a 3D mode). So what preset mode is the projector in when displaying 3D? and who can explain Art's comment of 'the single 3D mode that exists isn’t near as bright on the screen as the brightest 2D mode'? I'm confused...
post #73 of 3788
I read the W7000 manual and have to ask: is it true that the W7000 uses only DLP-Link for syncing with the glasses?

I really, really hope that is not the case because on every DLP 3D projector I've tested so far, DLP-Link has royally screwed the image.
post #74 of 3788
Zombie said his screen was 142 inches wide. Assuming a 1.78 Diag, that would make his scren a 163 inch diag.

Elkhunter at short throw of 18 ft 3/4 inch, shortest throw ratio possible is 1.62, would end up with an image width of 133 1/3 inches or so. He said he could almost fill his 159 inch 1.78 aspect screen. Such a screen would have a width of 139 inches. So I think it safe to assume his 159 inches is the screen diag.
post #75 of 3788
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

I read the W7000 manual and have to ask: is it true that the W7000 uses only DLP-Link for syncing with the glasses?

I really, really hope that is not the case because on every DLP 3D projector I've tested so far, DLP-Link has royally screwed the image.

I've followed your posts for a while now and I have seen some confirmation from others too about DLP-Link glasses ruining the contrast. I'm presently using an Acer 5360 with the Nvidia glasses and I'm always surprised at how good the blacks look in 3D mode -- especially on a pj with relatively low on/off contrast.

I'm very tempted to buy the W7000. I'm just waiting for a little more discussion about black levels etc.
post #76 of 3788
Art of Projector Reviews just posted this blog and first review.

http://www.projectorreviews.com/blog...t-look-review/
post #77 of 3788
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

I've followed your posts for a while now

That sounds sinister!

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and I have seen some confirmation from others too about DLP-Link glasses ruining the contrast.

It's not only the contrast. I've seen DLP-Link tint blacks/greys to red or purple all the way up to IRE30.
post #78 of 3788
Ruining the contrast I think would require more explanation. Does the on off substatially decrease through the glasses? Measured in 3D mode with and without the glasses?

If the tint of glasses is noticeable at low IRE but not high IRE, and BTW calibrators brash me for say IRE levels using digital projectors, but that's another story, just calibrate the tint out. That is not hard to do.
post #79 of 3788
Can one of you guys post a link to the owners manual? I found it on my phone the other day on the Benq site, but could not open it. For some reason, I cant find it on my desktop......something I am doing wrong no doubt, but if someone could post a link to this it would be great.
post #80 of 3788
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Can one of you guys post a link to the owners manual? I found it on my phone the other day on the Benq site, but could not open it. For some reason, I cant find it on my desktop......something I am doing wrong no doubt, but if someone could post a link to this it would be great.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/pdf/...anual_6743.pdf

Having spent a good bit of time with this projector yesterday I think it is safe to say this is a sharp and bright 2D projector that has serious potential after a nice calibration and the 3D looks awesome if you have a bright enough setup to accomodate this unit. If you have anything over a 120" screen with under a 1.5 gain screen I am going on a limb here and saying it is probably going to be too dim for a majority of people. Right now I am throwing about a 130" image (can't fill the entire 140" because of throw distance) and the image is dimmer than what I was hoping for. It really doesn't make sense to me considering how bright it is in 2D mode so hopefully it is some type of bug, or it could be my optoma/viewsonic glasses.

Bottom line if you can tolerate the black levels and aren't throwing this on a huge screen for 3D (unless high gain material) you are in for a treat, especially if you are a gamer. I am watching my son today so I am going to hook up the bluray player and 360 (has PIP) and see how it works.
post #81 of 3788
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Originally Posted by jmalto View Post

http://www.projectorcentral.com/pdf/...anual_6743.pdf

Having spent a good bit of time with this projector yesterday I think it is safe to say this is a sharp and bright 2D projector that has serious potential after a nice calibration and the 3D looks awesome if you have a bright enough setup to accomodate this unit. If you have anything over a 120" screen with under a 1.5 gain screen I am going on a limb here and saying it is probably going to be too dim for a majority of people. Right now I am throwing about a 130" image (can't fill the entire 140" because of throw distance) and the image is dimmer than what I was hoping for. It really doesn't make sense to me considering how bright it is in 2D mode so hopefully it is some type of bug, or it could be my optoma/viewsonic glasses.

Bottom line if you can tolerate the black levels and aren't throwing this on a huge screen for 3D (unless high gain material) you are in for a treat, especially if you are a gamer.

Thanks Jmalto. Curious how the 3d brightness will compare to the 45 when Zombie gets them side by side. I know he has already mentioned the 7000 is a bit brighter in 3d through the glasses vs his Sony, but not sure where the JVC falls in 3d brightness vs the Sony. If the 7000 is at least as bright as the JVC in 3d open iris, that will be plenty for me.
post #82 of 3788
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Originally Posted by Toe View Post

Thanks Jmalto. Curious how the 3d brightness will compare to the 45 when Zombie gets them side by side. I know he has already mentioned the 7000 is a bit brighter in 3d through the glasses vs his Sony, but not sure where the JVC falls in 3d brightness vs the Sony. If the 7000 is at least as bright as the JVC in 3d open iris, that will be plenty for me.

I've had the RS45 since last Monday boxed up sitting on the floor with 2 pairs of new JVC glasses and the emitter. I've decided to keep the JVC as my main unit this year for 2D and was going to return the 3D stuff and save the $300. If I decide to open up the RS45 with the 3D stuff I will let everyone know.

It has been awhile since I've owned the HW30 (was at least 4 projectors ago) but I don't remember it being any dimmer than what I am getting out of the BenQ. I may have been spoiled with the output of the Epson 3010 since it was my last projector I've had here.
post #83 of 3788
Zombies pictures showing NO cross talk make me think that it's a trade off between switching the mirrors on and off less to avoid the crosstalk vs brightness of switching mirrors on more of the time.
I really really am thinking about this projector to replace my aging benq8720. If the gaming lag times and color wheel are the same or better than my 8720 I think it's my next projector.
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found link for testing lag, I will give it a shot tonight if I have time.
post #85 of 3788
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

Ruining the contrast I think would require more explanation. Does the on off substatially decrease through the glasses? Measured in 3D mode with and without the glasses?

If the tint of glasses is noticeable at low IRE but not high IRE, and BTW calibrators brash me for say IRE levels using digital projectors, but that's another story, just calibrate the tint out. That is not hard to do.

I don't have a great understanding of this stuff, but here goes. With DLP-Link the glasses are synchronized with a white flash from the projector. There's obviously going to be a lot of white flashes. Supposedly these "white flashes" effect the contrast and other things in a detrimental way.
post #86 of 3788
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 4 View Post

If the tint of glasses is noticeable at low IRE but not high IRE, and BTW calibrators brash me for say IRE levels using digital projectors, but that's another story, just calibrate the tint out. That is not hard to do.

It's not glasses tinting low IRE, it's the DLP-Link sync pulse. Good luck dialing that out
post #87 of 3788
Another thing I'd like to know about the W7000 is how well the CMS and other controls work.
post #88 of 3788
Anyone know a website that sells the BenQ Active Shutter 3D Glasses for the W7000? PP, Visual Apex, etc do not show them on their sites.
post #89 of 3788
I just ordered 2 el-cheapo DLP link glasses off ebay.

$79 for 2 of them, with free shipping.

Includes usb cord, and they are rechargable.

Only thing is that they are white. So if that bugs me, I may need to paint them once I get them.

I will report back. Everything I read said they are good and they work.
post #90 of 3788
Does W7000 has a 2D to 3D conversion mode? If so, how good (or bad) is it?
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