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Is it OK to enjoy the subsonics in music?

post #1 of 18
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Some content is obviousely intended, created. Some content is obviousely from human voices and the mixers simply didnt HP the mics. Some is obviousely a bi product from creating sounds, not the sound itself... like a snair or high hat electronicly generated that has subsonic effects that weren't removed.

I don't care. I LOVE it all. I always have. I have only had a huge HT for about 2 years now and barely had the huge van as it's only survived a week or two a few times before I smashed coils from over excursion, or this last time ripped coils from spiders at the tripple joints..cuz down that low it's just not loud enough.

This isn't a new discovery of mine, I have been obsessed with infrasonics since I was a teen though I've very rarely gotten to experience it. But if it's not intended, is it OK to LOVE it? I have been fighting a battle for years on the forums, but as of recently I've been able to make some headway after creating some "good" low end systems.

Here are just a few songs out of so many songs that have infra... I have heard it in music for years, but I grabbed the camera and did searches on a few songs I recall off hand.

ATTENTION: EXPLICIT LYRICS (Though a very thoughtful meaningful song if you can deal with it) WITH EXTREME ULF CONTENT AT PARTS (Though the camera can barely capture it so don't worry about it)

The infrasonics in this track are from words: Bilabial, Labio-dental, Dental, Interdental, and Alveolar sounds that were not High Passed (HP'ed) from the mic during recording/mixing. Not intentionally created, but not removed either.

Pick The World Up Eminem Lil' Wayne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyHXDj6UeO0

This one seems to be a bi product of the drum beat. After the intro when it starts thumping there is a subsonic thump matching the high bass thump. Intentional or bi product I don't know...but either way... I like it.

Put On Young Jeezy Kanye West

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpfY1s8wzpo

This one is clearly intentional. It goes with certain parts of the song. It is so low that in the van it is unimpressive, too far below tuning, but with the towers (tuned to 13.4Hz) it was fun, and now...tuned to 5Hz EQed and crossed over...amazing.

Marilyn Manson The Nobody's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW6SyKk02nM

This one right here earned me "Douche Bag of the Month" on SMD forum, as I put a shirt in the window, stood outside the van, and tried to explain how I like the <30Hz content nobody else cares for and how I like 35Hz-50Hz attenuated...opposite of most. I had to delete the video as it caused a lot of trouble with so many bad comments on youtube and bad links to my threads on other forums to SMD's DB of the month thread.
Anyway, it's clearly intentional..again, I like it.

Tupac Dido Don't You Trust Me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDsJwiwWg-0

When I built "The Aztek Box", a semi-quasi-wall that was really just a 21.5 cubic foot enclosure that took up most of the hatch facing forward tuned to 15Hz, I downloaded a bunch of Gucci and this song struck me instantly. The subsoinics are again phonetics simply not HPed from the mic, but again, LOVE it..especially Minaj

Gucci Mane Nicki Minaj Slumber Party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAUuCke-c7I

OJ Da Juice Man Gucci Mane Half A Brick

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZfDFAOYQpg

Gucci Mane Jay Z Kanye West Lil' Wayne Bad Guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvGFyVje2rw

Gucci Mane Walking On Ice OJ Da Juiceman Twista

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_jTrrtdIW8

Juvenile Slow Motion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO_G4gyBcLU

Eminem 25 To Life

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIAwNXHh084

Gorilla Zoe Ft Yung Joc Juice Box DJ Zemix Remix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CcGnMYHh1Q

LAST AND CERTAINLY NOT LEAST, the LOWEST effects I have ever experienced in music OR movies.. even with my 4 18's in 1003 cubic feet tuned to 5.25Hz with 5000RMS on tap, Behringer EQ heavily boosting a wide center at 20Hz and heavily attenuating a medium center at 40Hz, and with my receiver LP set to 40Hz, at extreme levels... it is very hard to detect the lowest parts of this... it's even lower than Opus Dei's 3Hz pulses it seems...IDK......

Marylin Manson Cryptorchild

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecZISkLVZ6Q

If I ever get to do another van build, I will be tuning subsonically again... and find a way to be able to do a rear brace without interfering. I had to bump from 110 cubic feet 15Hz tune to 45 cubic feet 22Hz tune in the van before it tore itself apart
post #2 of 18
kw, if you don't have spectrum lab running on your computer, you would probably enjoy it. there are some setup guides that walk one through step by step. then you can see what frequencies are in the signal that you are sending to your equipment and at what level and correlate them to what you are hearing/feeling and enjoying.

i ran a spectrumlab on 25 to life last night, but it appeared the camera mic might not have been capturing things properly, so i didn't post the results.

for the most part, ulf is not good in music because it just serves to bust out all the ported subs made by folks who don't know about high pass filters. i wouldn't get schadenfreude from seeing a guy blow up his new ported sub while playing bass i love you just because he didn't know about a high pass.
post #3 of 18
here is world up.

green line is peak, red line is average spl.

looks like every other song. subharmonics are -20db down both in peak and average. for all practical purposes, they don't exist.

i'll take a look at another of your tracks. not your camer rig, but someone who loaded the song up.
LL
post #4 of 18
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I see them moving like mad, I feel the house wobble, I hear the house complain.... LOL!
post #5 of 18
the 25 to life as uploaded, not via camera, but simple bits...

not sure what you are hearing, but the content below ~20hz is largely non extant (well, down 20db).
LL
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by LTD02 View Post

the 25 to life as uploaded, not via camera, but simple bits...

not sure what you are hearing, but the content below ~20hz is largely non extant (well, down 20db).

That's why I boost 40dB
post #7 of 18
sounds like you want an ulf synthesizer for christmas. such things exist for higher up in the bass, but i can't recall seeing one that created notes in the sub 20hz region.
post #8 of 18
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I have a tone generator and the smarts to create fake stuff myself, but I enjoy what is purposely put there and left there... just take a lot of work to recreate it at high enouygh levels. Especially movies... most movies have some single digit in it somewhere, a lot of movies have plenty throughout... no one knows cuz it's 20dB down, and even boosted 40dB it is nice and soft.
post #9 of 18
Perhaps you need dynamic eq on!!!!! Lol
post #10 of 18
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havent messed with that, maybe I will, what does it do?
post #11 of 18
"...but I enjoy what is purposely put there and left there... just take a lot of work to recreate it at high enough levels..."

i see.
post #12 of 18
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I don't like "chopped and screwed" music because that is tampering. I could take music I like and movies I like and put my own subsonics in there, but that's tampering. There is plenty of ULF content already present, and that matches up with everything not just carolusely added... it just takes a lot to recreate it at high enough levels to experience it. Horror films are almost all jam packed. But it takes at least 4 high displacement 18's, rediculous airspace, and ridiculous tuning... as well as abnormal EQing and crossing over to milk it in a small room
post #13 of 18
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Originally Posted by kryptonitewhite View Post

Is it OK to enjoy the subsonics in music?

NO! It's evil. Stop at once and say 1000 rosemary's.

Whatever u do in the darkness of your own castle with curtains drawn is your constitutional right!
post #14 of 18
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Originally Posted by MrBobb View Post

NO! It's evil. Stop at once and say 1000 rosemary's.

Whatever u do in the darkness of your own castle with curtains drawn is your constitutional right!

Now I am messing around the other way.. I defeated the 20Hz boost and 40Hz cut, now I have a 50Hz boost only... thump thump but still has down to infra... EQs are fun!

Merry Christmas Mr. Bob!
post #15 of 18
Hahaa, krypto is back. Here, try this, there should be plenty of subsonics, don't take too seriously the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGrd...ure=plpp_video
post #16 of 18
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

Hahaa, krypto is back. Here, try this, there should be plenty of subsonics, don't take too seriously the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIGrd...ure=plpp_video

whats up LFE! I couldn't stay away too long, esp after seeing the 5Hz Jupiter Horn thread I'll give it a go in a bit here after I get settled in! Merry Christmas Man!
post #17 of 18
^^Not much new, though started this thread to going again some time ago.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1333462


...And merry christmas and happy new year, krypto!
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by lfe man View Post

^^Not much new, though started this thread to going again some time ago.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1333462


...And merry christmas and happy new year, krypto!

Awesome! Comments made over there
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