JVC RS 45 / Sony HW30 / BenQ W7000 / Epson 5010 mini-shootout - Page 77

OK I've had a look at some scenes from Happy Feet 2, TinTin, Thor, harry Potter Deathly Hallows Part II, and Hugo. I used THX 3D mode and glasses set to medium brightness. I started with the first 10 minutes of Happy feet. I saw no ghosting at all and I was looking for it. I switched to Dynamic 3D mode and glasses at medium. No ghosting at all that I could see. This is really a fantastic projector. The brightness in Dynamic mode and no ghosting is addicting and really amazing. I keep forgetting how good it looks until I come back and watch it again. I have several other projectors in different rooms so I haven't actually used the 6010 all that often, but wow! I have TinTin in SBS and it looked really, really good with no visible ghosting.

John2910 -- I don't know what to say. I've been using the Sony PS3 glasses and they seem to work really well. Maybe you should try a replacement projector. I've certainly seen a little bit of ghosting on the 6010 that was quite noticeable with everything at maximum brightness until I took Joe's suggestion and switched the brightness of the glasses to medium and the ghosting literally disappeared. At the moment I'm very happy with this projector.

Hello his is strange.

So you werent using the epson glasses with happy feet 2?
Maybe with the Sony PS3 glasses made the differance?

Please let me know..

Best regards

Happy Feet is a total disaster on the JVCs right from the very beginning. It is simply the worst case scenario from the JVC, very defined black and white penguins with minimal texture distraction against a white background.

I thought this would be a tough one with the Epson too, but mine at least, didn't have a problem at all with it, which was a relief. I'm using a HP screen and brightness seems to exacerbate ghosting -- the Epson is just a notch down from my DLP when it comes to ghosting. the DLP gets 10/10 for ghosting and at this point I think it is valid to give the Epson 9.5/10 -- it is that good (glasses set to medium brightness) when it comes to crosstalk. Of course there may come a day when I show something that is a ghosting nightmare and my Epson suddenly appears in the for sale section. I'm aware that it could happen.

Jason, I gave you some time stamps a while ago for Hugo. Try the last couple -- especially the scene near the very end of the movie when the short film of the rocket landing in the eye of the moon. In high brightness for the glasses the Epson showed a few seconds of very obvious ghosting. Luckily it disappeared in medium brightness. The same for the very last scene with mechanical man sitting in the chair by the window. It would be interesting to see how the JVC handles those scenes. Not much point wasting your time with the W7000 since it won't show any ghosting at all in any scene, but for comparison purposes you'll need it as a benchmark.

I don't think the glasses have much impact on ghosting, but I'll try the Epson glasses next time I fire up the projector.

Quick follow-up... As suggested on the 95ES thread, I changed sharpness to 0. It made a big difference. Resulting image wasn't 100% ghost free, but it looked very good. I need to test with sharpness=0 some more before making any conclusions regarding SbS gaming...

... Altan

Oh, random pic of Skyrim on the HW30. Looks great! My character was walking up the side of a mountain at night and there were "northern lights"... HW30 handled the blacks very well.

I just finished watching Hugo on the Epson 6010. First of all, it's a wonderful film - beautiful and touching. I watched at medium glasses brightness on a 110" HP screen. I saw no more ghosting than any other film I've watched - that is, it wasn't distracting in the least. I was able to concentrate on the story. I kept thinking I knew Hugo's friend. In the credits I saw that it was Chloe Grace Moretz, the little girl from Kick-Ass. Both kids were terrific.

In terms of the 3D, there were edge violations everywhere, just as in Avatar. What this tells me is that two major filmmakers have chosen to ignore one of the "Cardinal rules" of 3D. I'd love to be able to sit down and talk with them about this issue. The closest I've come is an interview in which Cameron, in passing, poo-pooed the notion that edge violations were a bad thing. Edge violations in Hugo seemed even more "random" than in Avatar.

I will take a look at it today.

I shall also take a picture to for what i mean.

I dont get it why the subtitles also ghost that much.

Are those ps3 glasses good deja vu?

Hello zombie.

Here the timestamps and pictures from the epson.

First i must say the ghosting looks in real life worse than on these pictures.

And the ghosting is always through the left glass of the 3d glasses.

This is at time: 3.18



This is at time: 4.13 look at the left side of the picture.



This is at time: 4.40



This scene i dont remember the time it had major ghosting:




And here the subtitle ghosting in hugo(i have this in most movies) time: 38.46

Double post -- see my post below.

No doubt that Happy Feet is a torture test. The JVCs suffer badly with "black on white" scenes vs "white on black" (where they do very well in dark scenes).

I found that using the crosstalk canceller on the JVC and setting it to White -8 helped. Also reducing sharpness and reducing contrast also help as well. But its never going to look good on this projector.

If the crosstalk is always in the left lens, then it will also be the case that if you are "right eye dominant" the ghosting may be less visible. However, adjusting the parallax control may help if the scene depth stays relatively constant throughout the movie.

[quote=john2910;21735543]Hello zombie.

Here the timestamps and pictures from the epson.

First i must say the ghosting looks in real life worse than on these pictures.

And the ghosting is always through the left glass of the 3d glasses.

This is at time: 3.18



This is at time: 4.13 look at the left side of the picture.



This is at time: 4.40



This scene i dont remember the time it had major ghosting:




And here the subtitle ghosting in hugo(i have this in most movies) time: 38.46

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If I really strain I think I can see an aura around Mumble's wife's body in the top photo. I had my wife take a look and she thinks she can see something that might be ghosting around Mumble's wife's outline as well. In photo three I think I can see some ghosting on the figure to the left to the right of that figure, if you follow me, and maybe some ghosting on the main figure -- white outline to the right. In photo 4 the figure to the far left appears to have ghosting up and to the right and is the most noticeable for me. I can't honestly say I find the little ghosting in these photos offensive -- not like the ghosting in Jason's photos. Maybe if the areas were zoomed in on it would be more apparent. The "W" in the last photo is ghosted to the left of the actual "W" and is noticeable on repeated viewings and there's some ghosting above the other letters. If this little amount is driving you to distraction then you need to switch to a DLP for 3D and do it now! Maybe my eyes are failing me -- ignorance is truly bliss. I'm not seeing any ghosting, even this little amount, in these scenes on my 120" HP screen. Maybe I've now lost all credibility in any discussion concerning "ghosting". John move to a DLP for 3D and the sooner the better. Life is short so be happy! I think this ghosting would definitely be more apparent on the true screen size John is watching on. The photos probably don't show it as well as "being there" does.

[quote=Deja Vu;21735916]
Hello dejavu.

Its hard to take a picture from the ghosting.

On the top picture is there is alot of ghosting around his mouth.

Did you try the playstantion 3 3d glasses vs the epson glasses test?

So maybe i need to get some monster glasses here in holland(i cant find them here).

I just got the xpand 104 as well but you cant control the parrallax only the open en close time.

Question on the 5010/6010: Where exactly is this "glasses brightness level" adjusted on the 5010 - or is this only a feature on the 6010? I see a "3D Brightness" setting in the 3D section of the menu on my 5010, but that is only enabled of you have the "3D Format" set to a manual selection instead of the default "Auto", which would seem very awkward when switching sources back and forth from 2D and 3D modes. Is this what everyone is referring to for glasses brightness, or is there some other setting for this I'm totally missing? Thanks!

Hello did you tried also the playstation 3 3d glasses wich dejavu mentioned?

Based on my viewing experience with the 5010, the Epson glasses were definitely the best. Other glasses (MV, 104s, Sony) were good, but the Epson's had less ghosting and it seemed more depth. Not sure if Dejavu has tested the Epsons yet. If you want 100% confidence you have the absolute best Epson 3D experience, it should be a no-brainer that using the Epson glasses is the choice. No other glasses have performed equal or better on the Epson.

Thanx for the info.

Both the 5010 and 6010 have a setting in the 3D menu that if you click on it you enter into another window with high, medium and low brightness settings for the glasses, which can be adjusted when the projector is in auto selection for the 3D playback formats, which is located in another window. I don't know why you don't have access to it when the projector is set to auto.

From Page 42, "Making Detailed Adjustments" in the 5010/5010e User Manual - jives with what I am seeing in my menu... *shrug*

3D Brightness
Signal > 3D Setup > 3D Brightness>
Adjusts the brightness of 3D images. Select the Medium or High settings if the 3D display is too dark.
Note: This setting is not available when 3D Format is set to Auto.

Maybe it's different in just the 6010? No, I just checked the 6010 manual, page 42 is identical. Am I not in the correct menu? I'm beginning to feel a little inadequate...

I've set the brightness settings for the glasses numerous times in 3D so something is amiss. I'll check.

My 6010 is set to auto recognize 3D and I can set brightness as needed. The manual must be wrong.

double post - see below. sorry.