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post #2671 of 3271
5/18/12 at 6:20pm
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The Micca EP950 arrived today and appears to be DOA. I can't get any response with the remote or the front panel button. I've connected the power (the brick gets REALLY HOT), Ethernet and HDMI. I tried several different sets of batteries, including those from another working remote. It says to remove a piece of protective plastic from the front before use, but there doesn't seem to be one. Am I missing something?

JC - did you get the replacement yet?

I've been using it around the clock, it's been working great in my setup. it's way faster than using the HTPC for 2D and 3D BD.
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5/19/12 at 6:29am
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Correct.
Most us forget that +90% or more of these projector owners enjoy the PQ and screen size and don't focus on specs.

If the PQ looks great, no need to worry about specs.

*I see blurring of panning shots on IMAX 3D, Real 3D & standard theaters so this is not just a home projector issue/observation.
The only cure for this appears to be FI enabled in 3D, which is currently not available/used in commercial projectors but I've heard the new Hobbit movie is being filmed in 48fps to cater to those who like smooth panning & the soap opera effect.
Peter Jackson and other directors are pushing for this frame rate to become the standard as well.

it will be interesting to see the reaction to the 48 FPS film. it's probably going to look more natural than any of the current FI software.

it's a shame that 4k content delivery and potential 4k 48FPS is so far off in the distance. Selling this will be very hard. it was hard enough for companies like Sony to push Bluray to the consumers, especially with Toshiba fighting back with HD DVD.

maybe in the next 3-5 years. I know for certain I don't want it to be a streaming format. I'd want maximum quality, so maybe another disk based format with 200GB of storage.
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post #2673 of 3271
5/19/12 at 12:10pm
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I know for certain I don't want it to be a streaming format. I'd want maximum quality, so maybe another disk based format with 200GB of storage.

Thats a tough one. I agree with the maximum quality statement, but I think the industry is going to fight you.

With faster broadband speeds at the same cost, plus H265 around the corner (less than a year), which gives H264 perceived quality at around 1/2 the bandwidth, content providers might well argue you are getting maximum quality via streaming.
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post #2674 of 3271
5/19/12 at 2:16pm
There is an ongoing show about the media wars (I think Monday on CNBC, or one of those channels). They talk about the streaming services at war with the cable companies.

The online streaming formats are geared towards people watching smaller screens. That said Vudu and Hulu Plus has some good streaming (Hulu Plus only on some of their newer TV shows in HD). Hulu Plus is a downer for what is available though (such limited selection). Netflix streaming is all over the place, sometimes it is good, but much of the time it is choked full of artifacts. I've learned to live with it.
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post #2675 of 3271
5/20/12 at 5:38am
@zombie10k

I am currently using an RS15 displayed on Da-lite Cinemavision screen (1.4 gain). I want to make the move to 3D. The addition of a W7000 as a 3D only projector is not an option.

I noted in the intial post of this thread that the Sony was your daily driver. I am not a fanatic for black performance; but I know I love the image of my JVC. I am wondering how the Sony will stack up against the RS15 for 2D, and am interested in your opinion.

Thanks,

Willie
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post #2676 of 3271
5/20/12 at 6:24am
Does anyone on this thread use a JVC 45 or higher to project to a big screen? I currently have an HD250 projecting to a 135" diagonal 16:9 screen from about 15 feet away in a totally dark- no light, dark walls and ceiling- theater room. I would love to go to 2.35:1 with something close to 165" diagonal from 18 feet away. With the HD250, I have plenty of brightness in 2D on my 1.0 gain elite screen. I could see going to 1.3 gain Carada for the 2.35:1. I know everyone says that'd be too dim for even 2D but I was hoping someone has tried it. How about for the other projectors? I love the JVC image, so it's hard to imagine going back to LCD (previously had the Panny AX100), but the reviews for the Epson are pretty good. Additionally, what does 3D look like when projected to screen sizes above 135" on lower gain screens in theater rooms?
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post #2677 of 3271
5/20/12 at 9:13am
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@zombie10k

I am currently using an RS15 displayed on Da-lite Cinemavision screen (1.4 gain). I want to make the move to 3D. The addition of a W7000 as a 3D only projector is not an option.

I noted in the intial post of this thread that the Sony was your daily driver. I am not a fanatic for black performance; but I know I love the image of my JVC. I am wondering how the Sony will stack up against the RS15 for 2D, and am interested in your opinion.

Thanks,

Willie

IMO, the HW30 is the closest in appearance to the JVC. of all the projectors i've tested this year, this is still one of my favorite. I don't hesitate to use it because of the inexpensive lamps and I like the overall IQ for just about any content. I use the FI in low on the Sony all the time in 2D and 3D since it's nice and subtle compared to some of the other projectors.

How big is your screen? 1.4 gain isn't much for 3D, there is a lot of light lost with the 3D glasses. The Epson 5010 is another good 'all-in-1' choice since it has good black levels and has brighter 3D mode compared to all the other current models.

If you end up choosing the Sony, i'd contact AVS for their best pricing. It appears Sony is doing something with the MSRP pricing after June 1st so the deals may not be as rewarding in another week or so.
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post #2678 of 3271
5/20/12 at 9:36am
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it will be interesting to see the reaction to the 48 FPS film. it's probably going to look more natural than any of the current FI software.

it's a shame that 4k content delivery and potential 4k 48FPS is so far off in the distance. Selling this will be very hard. it was hard enough for companies like Sony to push Bluray to the consumers, especially with Toshiba fighting back with HD DVD.

maybe in the next 3-5 years. I know for certain I don't want it to be a streaming format. I'd want maximum quality, so maybe another disk based format with 200GB of storage.

+100 on that. At least currently streaming is so far below bluray. I did try one movie on a download to outside theater through house and theater walls on one of my devices equipped with that. I have 5mbs DSL using wireless router, but receiving the signal out there I'm sure it was slower. Took 1 hr 40 minutes for the download. The quality looked good on 8.5' wide screen, but still not bluray good.
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post #2679 of 3271
5/21/12 at 11:33am
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IMO, the HW30 is the closest in appearance to the JVC. of all the projectors i've tested this year, this is still one of my favorite. I don't hesitate to use it because of the inexpensive lamps and I like the overall IQ for just about any content. I use the FI in low on the Sony all the time in 2D and 3D since it's nice and subtle compared to some of the other projectors.

How big is your screen? 1.4 gain isn't much for 3D, there is a lot of light lost with the 3D glasses. The Epson 5010 is another good 'all-in-1' choice since it has good black levels and has brighter 3D mode compared to all the other current models.

If you end up choosing the Sony, i'd contact AVS for their best pricing. It appears Sony is doing something with the MSRP pricing after June 1st so the deals may not be as rewarding in another week or so.

I ordered the HW30 today. My screen is 120" in a bat cave, so I am not overly concerned about 3D brightness loss. Appreciate the heads up on the forthcoming price increase; although puzzled that Sony would do that.

Thanks for your input.

Willie
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post #2680 of 3271
5/21/12 at 11:45am
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If you end up choosing the Sony, i'd contact AVS for their best pricing. It appears Sony is doing something with the MSRP pricing after June 1st so the deals may not be as rewarding in another week or so.

So I guess the minimum selling price for vendors online and in store is going to be effecting their projectors as well as the higher end LCD's?

Bill
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post #2681 of 3271
5/21/12 at 12:48pm
First, thanks to everyone for the very comprehensive thread. Learned a lot reading the entire thing. I've currently got a JVC RS1 and I'm looking for an upgrade. I'm on my fifth lamp and the fan is periodically squalling and my last bulb isn't striking so it's time for an upgrade. I've got the Epson 5010 on order through AVS and really looking forward to getting installed this week. 3-D wasn't my primary concern, although it was a consideration, but we go through a lot of hours on the projector and wanted to maximize my bulb life with my 120" Silverstar screen in our dedicated HT.

I'll share my thoughts coming from LCOS to the Epson LCD technology after I get a chance to get it mounted this week. I was never really sold on the RS1 as it related to perceived sharpness and it suffered with brightness uniformity issues as well. Not sure how much of that is actually attributed to LCOS technology but did not get the same pop that I experienced with watching single chip DLP in the past.

Fingers crossed!
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post #2682 of 3271
5/21/12 at 12:59pm
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JC - did you get the replacement yet?

I've been using it around the clock, it's been working great in my setup. it's way faster than using the HTPC for 2D and 3D BD.

I got a replacement power brick and that solved the problem. I thought it might, since it was getting so very hot. I've only had it working for a couple of days, but so far, so good. Playback for 3D and 2D is smooth and clean, with no annoying HDMI signal level problems, and no skipping that I've been able to pick up on. For films like Avatar and Monsters vs Aliens, which take FOREVER to get through the usual Blu-ray garbage on a regular disc, it's terrific. It goes straight to the movie.

Chapter skipping has been spotty, with Monsters vs Aliens requiring me to have to go through a menu to jump from one chapter to another. The normal skip button doesn't work. I don't know how common that problem is going to be.

A couple of questions:

Is there a support forum or thread here on AVS? The manual is sketchy.

Is there an easy way to disable subtitles? They default to "on" and I have to cycle through all of them to turn them off.

I have a 3 TB drive which I formatted in Windows and then loaded all my 3D titles. The Micca doesn't see it. Since it's over 2TB, I had to format it as GUID instead of MBR (NTFS, of course). Have you run into that? When I try to format it in the Micca, I can't.
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post #2683 of 3271
5/21/12 at 2:10pm
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First, thanks to everyone for the very comprehensive thread. Learned a lot reading the entire thing. I've currently got a JVC RS1 and I'm looking for an upgrade. I'm on my fifth lamp and the fan is periodically squalling and my last bulb isn't striking so it's time for an upgrade. I've got the Epson 5010 on order through AVS and really looking forward to getting installed this week. 3-D wasn't my primary concern, although it was a consideration, but we go through a lot of hours on the projector and wanted to maximize my bulb life with my 120" Silverstar screen in our dedicated HT.

I'll share my thoughts coming from LCOS to the Epson LCD technology after I get a chance to get it mounted this week. I was never really sold on the RS1 as it related to perceived sharpness and it suffered with brightness uniformity issues as well. Not sure how much of that is actually attributed to LCOS technology but did not get the same pop that I experienced with watching single chip DLP in the past.

Fingers crossed!

kudos for reading the whole thread, there is a lot info here. The 5010 is nice projector, the 3D should be very bright when combined with the Silverstar screen.

let us know how you like it.
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post #2684 of 3271
5/21/12 at 2:19pm
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I got a replacement power brick and that solved the problem. I thought it might, since it was getting so very hot. I've only had it working for a couple of days, but so far, so good. Playback for 3D and 2D is smooth and clean, with no annoying HDMI signal level problems, and no skipping that I've been able to pick up on. For films like Avatar and Monsters vs Aliens, which take FOREVER to get through the usual Blu-ray garbage on a regular disc, it's terrific. It goes straight to the movie.

Chapter skipping has been spotty, with Monsters vs Aliens requiring me to have to go through a menu to jump from one chapter to another. The normal skip button doesn't work. I don't know how common that problem is going to be.

A couple of questions:

Is there a support forum or thread here on AVS? The manual is sketchy.

Is there an easy way to disable subtitles? They default to "on" and I have to cycle through all of them to turn them off.

I have a 3 TB drive which I formatted in Windows and then loaded all my 3D titles. The Micca doesn't see it. Since it's over 2TB, I had to format it as GUID instead of MBR (NTFS, of course). Have you run into that? When I try to format it in the Micca, I can't.

There is a thread here but I don't think it's that helpful since some folks are getting lost trying to do 50 different things with the device.

http://www.futeko.com/forum/

this is the official forum for the 900b which is the same device (minus the hardware fix for the 950). There is a member named OllyP who does great custom firmwares for the devices.

same findings on the subtitles. It hasn't bothered me enough to find a way to turn them off, but believe it's been addresses somewhere in the futeko forums.

For chapter skipping, I've been using the navigation buttons to scrub through the timeline, it seems to be the fastest way to get through the movie.

That is odd with the 3TB drive. I just formatted mine on a win7 machines, NTFS using GPT and dropped it into the 950. I have a 2nd 3TB waiting to be formatted, I'll try it again and let you know.

how has the 2D and 3D BD playback been? are you just using the local drive, or streaming from central storage?
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post #2685 of 3271
5/21/12 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by Makomachine View Post

First, thanks to everyone for the very comprehensive thread. Learned a lot reading the entire thing. I've currently got a JVC RS1 and I'm looking for an upgrade. I'm on my fifth lamp and the fan is periodically squalling and my last bulb isn't striking so it's time for an upgrade. I've got the Epson 5010 on order through AVS and really looking forward to getting installed this week. 3-D wasn't my primary concern, although it was a consideration, but we go through a lot of hours on the projector and wanted to maximize my bulb life with my 120" Silverstar screen in our dedicated HT.

I'll share my thoughts coming from LCOS to the Epson LCD technology after I get a chance to get it mounted this week. I was never really sold on the RS1 as it related to perceived sharpness and it suffered with brightness uniformity issues as well. Not sure how much of that is actually attributed to LCOS technology but did not get the same pop that I experienced with watching single chip DLP in the past.

Fingers crossed!

How many hours on your RS1? Gamma was never right on that projector. Needed a VP to get the most out of it. Sharpness is fine on mine.
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post #2686 of 3271
5/21/12 at 3:42pm
Benq W7000 update.

Per Benq, no W7000 projectors have shipped out with the new firmware. Benq is checking a couple more items before releasing them, but was told that they should start shipping very soon. Once I know that they have shipped, I will post here.
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post #2687 of 3271
5/21/12 at 3:45pm
I'm guessing between 12 to 13 thousand hours. Didn't keep a log unfortunately and reset the lamp hours each time. Primary TV for TV and gaming and we are 'enthusiasts'!

It was a great first PJ, just never wowed me in the sharpness and color department. I didn't do it any favors by being the primary calibrator either...
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post #2688 of 3271
5/21/12 at 3:50pm
Thanks to everyone who provided some valuable information in this thread. I am in the market to replace my Mitsubishi 5500 and the Sony looks like the one for me as I do play a bit of Xbox games (none on-line though).

Could anyone point me in the direction of where I could find a list of authorized dealers? Sony's website doesn't have anything on their webpage.
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post #2689 of 3271
5/21/12 at 5:38pm
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There is a thread here but I don't think it's that helpful since some folks are getting lost trying to do 50 different things with the device.

http://www.futeko.com/forum/

this is the official forum for the 900b which is the same device (minus the hardware fix for the 950). There is a member named OllyP who does great custom firmwares for the devices.

same findings on the subtitles. It hasn't bothered me enough to find a way to turn them off, but believe it's been addresses somewhere in the futeko forums.

For chapter skipping, I've been using the navigation buttons to scrub through the timeline, it seems to be the fastest way to get through the movie.

That is odd with the 3TB drive. I just formatted mine on a win7 machines, NTFS using GPT and dropped it into the 950. I have a 2nd 3TB waiting to be formatted, I'll try it again and let you know.

how has the 2D and 3D BD playback been? are you just using the local drive, or streaming from central storage?

It's curious that I can't format the drive. It just returns to the menu. I don't think it sees it at all. I'll check out the forum.

The Micca saw the UnRaid servers on my network automatically, and I have full access to all my Blu-ray titles. The only advantage to using the internal drive would be slightly faster access to 3D Blu-ray movies, but that's not worth it. Eventually, I'm going to put that 3TB drive in one of my video editing systems for project backup. I just need to figure out if there's a problem mechanically. If so, I'll send the 950 back for a replacement.

Playback has been very solid, for both 2D and 3D. HD audio is playing normally, too. There's been no skipping, and 24p has been flawless so far. Being able to bypass all the Blu-ray garbage makes this worth the $150. (It plays my own 3D iso files, too. ) Thanks for the tip.

Do you know if there are dedicated Harmony codes for this device?
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post #2690 of 3271
5/22/12 at 12:30pm
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I ordered the HW30 today. My screen is 120" in a bat cave, so I am not overly concerned about 3D brightness loss. Appreciate the heads up on the forthcoming price increase; although puzzled that Sony would do that.

Thanks for your input.

Willie

Enjoy your projector Willie.
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post #2691 of 3271
5/22/12 at 6:49pm
My Epson has failed to turn on twice in the last 2 months using the remote, I've had to turn the unit off and back on using the power switch on the unit for it to get going, after that it works normally. Anybody with this problem?
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post #2692 of 3271
5/22/12 at 7:16pm
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My Epson has failed to turn on twice in the last 2 months using the remote, I've had to turn the unit off and back on using the power switch on the unit for it to get going, after that it works normally. Anybody with this problem?

Do you mean it does not turn on at all or the fan comes on, lens cover opens, lamp never comes on, lens cover closes, fan goes in to high mode and projector shuts down?

If the latter, watch the LEDs on the projector and the flash rate then consult the manual on the detected fault.
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post #2693 of 3271
5/22/12 at 8:23pm
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It's curious that I can't format the drive. It just returns to the menu. I don't think it sees it at all. I'll check out the forum.

The Micca saw the UnRaid servers on my network automatically, and I have full access to all my Blu-ray titles. The only advantage to using the internal drive would be slightly faster access to 3D Blu-ray movies, but that's not worth it. Eventually, I'm going to put that 3TB drive in one of my video editing systems for project backup. I just need to figure out if there's a problem mechanically. If so, I'll send the 950 back for a replacement.

Playback has been very solid, for both 2D and 3D. HD audio is playing normally, too. There's been no skipping, and 24p has been flawless so far. Being able to bypass all the Blu-ray garbage makes this worth the $150. (It plays my own 3D iso files, too. ) Thanks for the tip.

Do you know if there are dedicated Harmony codes for this device?

According to a post last October, the Harmony codes were posted on the Harmony site for the Himedia 900b which is the same device as the Mica 950 (the remote controls are identical).

"Logitech Harmony remote setup: The HD900B is now on Logitech's database:
- Device: Media Center PC
-- Manufacturer: HiMedia
--- Model: HD900B"

Here is a detailed manual for the 950

http://content.miccastore.com/sites/...s%20Manual.pdf

there's a few features I wasn't even aware it had since i've been focused strictly on 2D and 3D BD playback.
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post #2694 of 3271
5/22/12 at 8:25pm
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Do you mean it does not turn on at all or the fan comes on, lens cover opens, lamp never comes on, lens cover closes, fan goes in to high mode and projector shuts down?

If the latter, watch the LEDs on the projector and the flash rate then consult the manual on the detected fault.

It doesn't turn on at all. it did it again a few minutes ago. I had to manually turn off/on the unit, once I do that, everything works fine.
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5/22/12 at 8:57pm
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According to a post last October, the Harmony codes were posted on the Harmony site for the Himedia 900b which is the same device as the Mica 950 (the remote controls are identical).

"Logitech Harmony remote setup: The HD900B is now on Logitech's database:
- Device: Media Center PC
-- Manufacturer: HiMedia
--- Model: HD900B"

Here is a detailed manual for the 950

http://content.miccastore.com/sites/...s%20Manual.pdf

there's a few features I wasn't even aware it had since i've been focused strictly on 2D and 3D BD playback.

Thanks. That's very helpful. I'm going to be building a bigger, faster UnRaid system soon, with 3 TB drives. I'm at about 30TB of storage right now, but that's in 2 UnRaid servers with smaller drives. I'm quickly running out of space. I'd like to double that storage space in a few weeks, consolidating all my media into one big server, and keep a smaller UnRaid box for video projects and miscellaneous files. I plan on making the 950 the centerpiece for playing back iso's from that big server.
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post #2696 of 3271
5/23/12 at 8:49am
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It doesn't turn on at all. it did it again a few minutes ago. I had to manually turn off/on the unit, once I do that, everything works fine.

Are you using an Epson remote or 3rd party remote?
Have you tried changing batteries in the remote to see if it makes any difference?
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5/23/12 at 2:43pm
Hey Zombie!

Long time man, so it's been more than 6 months since you've had the JVC and the Sony, in addition to other 3D projectors. Which one in your opinion was the best combination PJ for both 2D and 3D? I am just curious to know your long term findings. We all know no one could come close to the 2D PQ of the JVCs, especially the RS45/55. But I don't know if its just me, but I am just noticing way more ghosting now on the RS45 than I ever did on the RS40, maybe my eyes got smarter, maybe the higher lumens shows more imperfections. I am just dissapointed at how much more visible ghosting/crosstalk is on my RS45. At the same time I will never be able to have two projectors, I am just not set up to be able to do that, so I would not be intereseted in a secondary non-LCOS or non-LCD solution for 3D only. With that being said, how much better is the Sony in 3D, what about the Epsons or Panasonic? Is there anything out there that will give you 2D just as good as the JVC, and ghost-free or nearly-ghost-free 3D? Or are we to expect some big advancement in the 2013 crop of 3D projectors from JVC or Sony or Panaosnic?
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5/23/12 at 4:20pm
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Hey Zombie!

Long time man, so it's been more than 6 months since you've had the JVC and the Sony, in addition to other 3D projectors. Which one in your opinion was the best combination PJ for both 2D and 3D? I am just curious to know your long term findings. We all know no one could come close to the 2D PQ of the JVCs, especially the RS45/55. But I don't know if its just me, but I am just noticing way more ghosting now on the RS45 than I ever did on the RS40, maybe my eyes got smarter, maybe the higher lumens shows more imperfections. I am just dissapointed at how much more visible ghosting/crosstalk is on my RS45. At the same time I will never be able to have two projectors, I am just not set up to be able to do that, so I would not be intereseted in a secondary non-LCOS or non-LCD solution for 3D only. With that being said, how much better is the Sony in 3D, what about the Epsons or Panasonic? Is there anything out there that will give you 2D just as good as the JVC, and ghost-free or nearly-ghost-free 3D? Or are we to expect some big advancement in the 2013 crop of 3D projectors from JVC or Sony or Panaosnic?

hey Sam! 6 months went by quick. How many hours are on your current lamp?

The Sony HW30 and Epson 5010 are the 'jack of all trades' projectors this year. They both have nice 2D and 3D with their own unique strengths.

The Sony has inexpensive lamps and I like the FI (which i'm not generally a fan of) but it looks great with sports, racing and 3D. The Epson has the killer 'torch' modes which could light up your AT screen with more than 2x the lumen output of the RS45. The 3D performance is definitely better on the HW30 and the 5010 vs the JVC.

We've had a number of 'JVC Converts' who switched to the Epson 5010 and are loving it. Send a PM to Joseph Clark, i'm sure he'll fill you in with his experience. Great price on the 5010 too.

There aren't any good rumors yet as to what we'll see in the fall. JVC's 3D got hit pretty good in most of the pro reviews (print and web) so they are likely well aware that they are lagging behind the competition. I just hope they don't make any sacrifices to 2D quality in the attempt to get the 3D better.

The BenQ W7000 has the most flawless 3D i've seen yet. The overall 3D quality is very refreshing when there is no chance of ghosting, even in the toughest scenes. It cranks out ~1500 lumens @ D65 in 2D mode, but the contrast is typical for the DLP's at this price point, so black level fanatics are likely going to prefer the Sony or Epson as an all-around projector.
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5/23/12 at 4:26pm
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Hey Zombie!

Long time man, so it's been more than 6 months since you've had the JVC and the Sony, in addition to other 3D projectors. Which one in your opinion was the best combination PJ for both 2D and 3D? I am just curious to know your long term findings. We all know no one could come close to the 2D PQ of the JVCs, especially the RS45/55. But I don't know if its just me, but I am just noticing way more ghosting now on the RS45 than I ever did on the RS40, maybe my eyes got smarter, maybe the higher lumens shows more imperfections. I am just dissapointed at how much more visible ghosting/crosstalk is on my RS45. At the same time I will never be able to have two projectors, I am just not set up to be able to do that, so I would not be intereseted in a secondary non-LCOS or non-LCD solution for 3D only. With that being said, how much better is the Sony in 3D, what about the Epsons or Panasonic? Is there anything out there that will give you 2D just as good as the JVC, and ghost-free or nearly-ghost-free 3D? Or are we to expect some big advancement in the 2013 crop of 3D projectors from JVC or Sony or Panaosnic?

Hi, Sam,

You missed a lot of discussion on these topics while you were away.

I traded my RS45 for another AVSer's Epson 6010 because of the severe ghosting. As you've found out, crosstalk has actually gotten much worse with the RS45 compared to the RS40. I couldn't take it. The good thing about the Epson besides less ghosting is the brightness. It's a thing of beauty to see 3D this bright. As with all lamps, though, it dims with age. And just like the JVCs, ghosting gets worse with the Epson as the lamp gets a few hundred hours on it (at least in my experience). At its worst, though, my 6010 still hasn't approached the level of ghosting the JVC had when its lamp was brand new. I think the consensus is that people really like the Sony HW30, which has comparable levels of ghosting with the Epson 5010/6010 (not DLP like, but very good), but it's not as bright.

BTW, if anyone is interested in an RS40, I have one that just came back from JVC, with a brand new lamp (plus a spare with low hours), and 4 pairs of Xpand 103 3D glasses. PM me if interested.
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5/24/12 at 9:58am
Got my 5010 setup and have watched Underworld Awakening and IMAX Deep Sea in 3D as well as some 2D Direct TV television the last two nights. My observations in this short period of time is as follows:

- Color accuracy, brightness uniformity, sharpness, and overall brightness (no surprise) are all vastly superior to the RS1

- Black levels are excellent in 2D and acceptable in 3D with auto iris set to Normal. Whether they are superior or not would require a side by side, which hasn't been done. Regardless, they are impressive and I'm not left wanting in that regard.

- Fan noise is non existent compared to the RS1 when in ECO mode - very happy.

- image is more "digital" looking than the RS1. I find this more to my taste on most things and a slight downgrade in others. Overall, I find it closer to DLP than LCOS which was what I'd hoped.

The only calibration done to date is basic adjustments - running in Cinema mode at 7000 ct and playing around with FI and Super Res based on content.

Very happy thus far and will post final thoughts after I get more time with the unit.
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