JVC RS 45 / Sony HW30 / BenQ W7000 / Epson 5010 mini-shootout - Page 97

Zombie, Mark,

Now that the Mitsubishi HC9000D street price is under $3K how would you compare it to the lot? I'm trying to decide for a family room setting, lots of ambient light, white walls, ceiling floor (it's a rental). 13' throw and 11' viewing distance, hoping for a 106 or 110" screen.

It'd be great to include the Mits in your shootout?

I'm torn between the 5010 and now the mitsibushi given the ambient light. Mostly movies, some sunday football, and if I can get a hold of some 3D movies I'll watch them..

Would love your expertise!!

Definitely go with 5010 for family room environment. It is bright which is good for ambient light and 3D and has excellent blacks and contrast. The 9000 is more designed for dedicated bat caves.

Which screen? For family room..

Look at the confusing options http://www.da-lite.com/products/selecting.php?viewMode=front#anchor-15

1.1 High contrast matte white? with a 50 degree cone?

or the high power 2.4 with a 30 degree cone?

I'm sitting 11' back and seats are the width of the screen 8.5 feet or so.

Also do I go 110 or 106"? will going a little smaller be better to make up for the ambient light?

Zombie,

I have blackout curtains which do a great job of darkening the room. In fact, the 8350 is what lightens the room. How would you compare the 6010/5010 in this environment.

106" diag. Screen not sure of gain.

Sitting about 13-15 feet from screen with pj overhead.

Uses: gaming, tv, gaming (probably in that order).

I have heard of the gaming lag, is it that noticeable? I dont play online. More of a casual gamer. I do play shooting games though.

Thank you

Thank you Zombie!! Projector will be right behind my head on a counter 36" high (I might have to raise it a bit so it is over my head a bit.

When you say HP, is that the Da-lite High Power? 2.4 Gain with 30 degree cone. at 11' back will the seats on the corner of the sofa be ok?

Looks like i'll do the 110" it's more a function of fitting on my wall since the garage door is to the left..

I meant mits 9000 instead of epson 6010/5010. Sorry.

Awesome.. thanks for the advice.. I need a motorized screen though since I'm dropping it in front of my 50" plasma (for day to day kids tv). So I think the Da-Lite Cosmpolitan is the only choice?

Here's 110 inch screen masked off for my room. what do you think? lots of white.. (it's a rental). I do need it to come out 7" off the wall to clear the plasma which means I guess I'm hanging it from the ceiling.

I have a 102" scope, 6010 at 11.7FT and even in THX mode in ECO it is way too bright, so im going 125" scope at 20FT to tame it.
Youll have no issue lighting up that screen no matter what colour walls, so dont worry about that.

Love the forum.. but of course there's always the opposite opinion

I'm gonna assume though Zombie is the formidable expert?
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1377321/official-epson-powerlite-home-cinema-5010-6010-thread/2160#post_22242080

I read the post. As an Epson 6010 owner, with a 110" HP screen, I find it very hard to understand how someone could make such claims. I have a light controlled room, and I agree that it's the best way to watch content on any projector. As for the rest, it's far from my personal experience.

My Epson is 15' back, directly over my head, so I'm getting close to maximum gain from it. At 1200 hours, I'm a fairly heavy user, but I'm still using THX mode for 2D and 3D. I love it for 2D and 3D.

1. The image is not too bright.
2. The screen does not hot spot.
3. The screen does not exhibit any noticeable "grain" from its glass beads. They're far too small to see.

If you can control light coming from behind you, the HP will take care of light from the walls and ceilings as well as any screen. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but ask most long-time HP owners what the only piece of their home theater gear they wouldn't trade away is and the answer might ease your doubts. Listen to Zombie.

Oh, and the HP is far from fragile. You have to take care putting it up, but I once cleaned a tough spot with Softscrub (carefully, of course and definitely not recommended). It was a particularly nasty stain from a squashed spider. Before I bought the screen, I deliberately abused the sample DaLite sent me, just to see what it would take to damage it. It took some extremely serious elbow grease to get it to fail. When it did, it was nasty looking, but I've yet to see a screen you can repair with Whiteout. There are enough "myths" about the HP. That's just one more for the long, silly list.

Thanks Joe! love to hear from folks who have the actual product.. I'm ordering the HP tomorrow

Jason, great find on the HP article.. super helpful.

Having viewed all of these and having had them in my HT, I would choose the Mitsu 9000 over the whole lot if for no more than lens quality. 2D viewing definately. Pure 3D there are better choices. I don't think Zombie has had a 9000 in his theater. They are losing money on every 9000 they sell to dealers now. It was a very expensive projector initially with much higher build quality than the ones being compared here. The others were designed to see at their respective selling prices. The Mits is a steal and the one I would buy if I were shopping at this price class.

The Mits should be sharper than the Sony. The blacks are still not in JVC territory, they are in Sony hw30es territory. The Mits doesn't fare as well as the Sony hw30 at 3D or the JVC at contrast. It fits into a middleground from my understanding (that is what I have gleamed from reading reviews and calibrator reports). It beats the JVC at motion and beats the Sony at sharpness for someone that doesn't care about 3D and holds those two attributes most dear, but it loses to the JVC at contrast and loses to the Sony at 3D.

Mits hc9000d = Sharper than the Sony hw30es, not as good of 3D, about the same blacks. Mits has better motion than the JVC but not as good of blacks. No idea which one has better 3D, JVC or Mits, but they are probably both near-equally "ghosty".

As far as the optics being the reason, I don't think sharpness is the overriding factor once you reach a certain point. Yes, I've seen the Runcos and I know the Mits is not going to be as sharp as a Runco... Even a Runco vs. my JVC, I'll still take the JVC for some movies. One major thing some people are up tight about in this forum is sharpness. As always, with any NON-DLP projector, sharpness is going to be partly luck of the draw (but I'd suggest Mits and JVC have the strictest average tolerance and sharpest for a non-DLP).
Edited by coderguy - 7/28/12 at 5:27am

New 3D King of the Hill

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The $28K Sim2 M.150 water cooled(!) 3D LED DLP HD Front Projector is reviewed and smokes its $25K Sony 1000 competition:
http://hometheaterreview.com/sim2-m150-led-dlp-hd-front-projector-reviewed/?page=2


Who wants something close to this performance for 1/10th the price?
UHP lamps burn very HOT while LED cannot tolerate much heat. Hence the water cooling is required - at least for today.
Wait six more months for the next big advance in technology.

Update:
Trusted Review Site chimes in:
"3D Performance
The extra brightness further has a profound effect on 3D viewing, enabling the Sim2 M.150 to combat more effectively than the Mico 50 the inevitable dimming you get when you don a pair of Sim2’s active 3D glasses. This helps 3D images look more dynamic, more colourful, more detailed, and more full of depth.

Couple all this with the M.150’s complete freedom from active 3D’s dreaded crosstalk ghosting problem, and as with every other Sim2 3D projector we’ve seen, the M.150 provides staggering proof that 3D viewing in the home really can be an amazing experience rather than just the headache-inducing marketing gimmick it can appear to be on lesser products.

2D and HD Reproduction
Going back to 2D, the M.150’s pictures also benefit from more or less perfect colour response. Colours are immaculately balanced, almost infinitely nuanced, totally natural in tone (even in dark picture areas), and utterly free of any sort of noise or distortion. In other words, here again the M.150 is capable of delivering a ‘celluloid-like’ experience on a level we just haven’t witnessed before other than on the aforementioned Lumis 3D-S.

The sharpness of the Sim2 M.150’s HD pictures needs to be seen to be believed, too. Its images are so precise and clean, in fact, that the only Blu-ray scenes we’ve been able to find that do maximum justice to them are the shot-for-IMAX bits of The Dark Knight - most notably the opening bank robbery sequence. So extreme is the clarity on show here that we found it hard to believe we were just watching a normal HD feed rather than some sort of ‘super resolution’ source.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/sim2-m-150_Projector_review_more-pic-quality-and-conclusion_Page-3
Edited by HiFiFun - 7/27/12 at 3:38pm

Are you manually zooming to get the A/R or using a lense? If using a lens, which one? Thinking of going with a 6010 and scope screen also.

Tried both.
Was using a old lens i bought way way back (markII CAVX) with my DLP benq w5000(due to short zoom), but now with the 6010 im zooming manually and like it more, and very easy to do and get to,due to my short ceiling, i can set it up in under 10sec.
To me its not worth it unless you go with an expensive lens, or cant due to short zoom capabilities.

cheers.

Since this is the 3D catch-all thread, the $400 BenQ xl2420 24" is an excellent 120Hz 3D PC monitor.
Its certified as NVIDIA 3D Vision 2-ready with the new NVIDIA 3D LightBoost technology which doubles the brightness.
There are positive reviews at Newegg (94%!) and Amazom and here:
http://pcmonitors.org/reviews/benq-xl2420t
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014270
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006HIKIG0/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=

No sooner had I posted when Asus comes out with a similar 27" monitor but with a 144Hz refresh rate!
http://bg.asus.com/Display/LCD_Monitors/VG278HE#overview
Edited by HiFiFun - 7/27/12 at 7:33pm

Hello to all. Been doing lots of reading on the Epson 5010 and the Benq W7000. My quest is this, first off a detail of my present room and projector. Room is light controlled dedicated theater room, screen is 120" 1.4 gain, projector Sony vpl hw-10. First entry digital for me coming from greatest contrast and blackest black projector ever but Hell to converge not to mention not bright a CRT. Seen the Epson 5010 very impressed, but it does crosstalk hate that, haven't seen the w7000, but have seen the w6000, don't know if it was calibrated but a bit too dark and blacks looked grayish. Will the w7000 with a hipower gray screen to help with the blacks and enrich the colors make it come close to the Epsons performance. That was impressive the Epson that is. Also I was under the impression that the w7000 latest firmware was also suppose to help with the contrast.

NO CROSSTALK on the 5010

I've seen the crosstalk it is slight but still there. Hopefully someone might shed some light on my question. Don't get me wrong i would still consider the Epson if the w7000 just isn't going to do on black and contrast level. It crosstalks but not drastically .

i have watched a ton of 3D movies on my 5010. I almost never notice crosstalk. Only 1 time has it ever bothered me. Harry Potter's glasses left a weird crosstalk. Still 1 or 2 instances here and there is a really silly reason to rule out a projector. The bad blacks on every other projector are going to be there on your sorta-black bars ALL THE TIME!

The 5010 is a good step up from the W7000 especially in blacks and contrast. The W7000 biggest advantages are its brightness in comparable best modes and 3D if those attributes are needed. A high power screen will raise the black level but also the white level too. The raised black level of the HP is bothersome to a few but most appreciate the added overall brightness more. A 120" HP with a W7000 would be very bright.

I went from a benq w5000 ( which would have similar blacks to the w7000, if not better) to a 6010 and the difference in blacks and contrast is huge, never knew what ive been missing out on until now.
From now on forward i doubt id be going to a projector with worse blacks, once you know a decent black theres no going back lol.
Ive watched 6 3D movies so far(only got the projector), and seen a tiny bit of crosstalk for like a second or two in only one movie/one scene and it didnt take away any enjoyment at all. If i could see heaps of crosstalk during one movie then i would be worried.