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post #2911 of 3271
7/30/12 at 3:42am
I have the Epson tw9000/6010 and I've seen a good deal of crosstalk on it but it depends on the content. For example Cars 2 looks great in 3D, it does have a little bit of crosstalk here and there but nothing that takes away from the experience and the 3D is very well implemented. Happy Feet 2 on the other hand has crazy crosstalk all the way through and it couldn't be corrected. The Epson is brighter than the Benqw7000 in 3D and has better contrast so I think with the right movie the Epson might provide a better 3D experirence than the Benqw7000, but in other cases like with Happy Feet 2 then the Benqw7000 should be better if doesn't have the crosstalk I saw on the Epson. For 2D I think the Epson will be better all of the time though unless one has a particular bias towards the look of dlp. I came from dlp myself and have been happy with the lcd tech of the Epson, I don't feel it's missing anything.
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post #2912 of 3271
7/30/12 at 4:48am
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Originally Posted by rob47v View Post

I've seen the crosstalk it is slight but still there. Hopefully someone might shed some light on my question. Don't get me wrong i would still consider the Epson if the w7000 just isn't going to do on black and contrast level. It crosstalks but not drastically .

When you USE the RIGHT 3D Glasses there is NONE
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post #2913 of 3271
7/30/12 at 6:01am
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

When you USE the RIGHT 3D Glasses there is NONE

And what glasses are those?

I have the Epson glasses that came with the projector and a pair of Panasonic Gen 3's, they both perform the same when it comes to crosstalk.
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post #2914 of 3271
8/2/12 at 8:02am
I had my 6010 mounted just above my head and decided to table mount it (I put another projector where the 6010 had been). In the new position I was surprised at how ghost free the image was so I decided to put Happy Feet 2 on just to prove myself wrong. Even this movie in 3D looked great -- no ghosting that I could see and I was looking hard for it. I saw plenty of ghosting with this title before moving the projector. Right now the ghosting is negligible and I using the bright setting for the glasses. I'm at a loss to explain why the little ghosting I was seeing before (except in the toughest material) has basically disappeared, except for the possibility that the lamp has dimmed a little or the more direct throw to the screen (less angle) has helped. Maybe more horizontal and vertical adjustment to the throw angle exacerbates ghosting -- who knows, but I'm very happy at the moment with my Epson. BTW I'm using the Playstation 3D glasses -- they seem brighter to me than my Epson glasses, they're cheap, rechargeable and I don't find them uncomfortable (like many others do).
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post #2915 of 3271
8/2/12 at 10:22am
That's odd. You'd think angle wouldn't have much to do with ghosting, since you have an HP screen. The screen completely randomizes light polarization. A simple test would be to move around the projector to see if ghosting differs with the angle. Find a shot that ghosts a lot and freeze it, then position yourself above, below and to the sides. If ghosting changes, then the angle does matter, even with an HP. I'm going to try that with my setup. I'm relieved that the age of the lamp doesn't seem to have made a big difference in ghosting. With the JVC at 1,200 hours on the lamp, 3D is unwatchable. I'm still very happy with the Epson 6010. Even at over 1,200 hours, it's still bright and performing very well with 3D content.
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post #2916 of 3271
8/2/12 at 12:57pm
I own a 5010 along with 9 pairs of Epson 3D glasses, and it is inverted on a ceiling mount in my theater room. I have the 3D brightness setting at the default medium setting, and I see no ghosting at all in any movies. When I switch the 3D Brightness to the brightest setting, I will see some very slight ghosting around text when captioning is turned on, but that is about it. The medium setting is pretty much perfect on my projector, and all 9 pairs of Epson glassess perform the same. The only small complaint I really have with the 5010 is the slight judder I see while panning in 3D movies, which actually seemed to get slightly more pronounced AFTER upgrading the firmware from 100 to 104... 104 was supposed to improve the 3D judder issue... frown.gif The firmware did fix all the other issues it was supposed to, though, especially quieting down the Iris enough that I can use it in Fast mode without even noticing the iris is turned on.
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post #2917 of 3271
8/2/12 at 2:23pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

That's odd. You'd think angle wouldn't have much to do with ghosting, since you have an HP screen. The screen completely randomizes light polarization. A simple test would be to move around the projector to see if ghosting differs with the angle. Find a shot that ghosts a lot and freeze it, then position yourself above, below and to the sides. If ghosting changes, then the angle does matter, even with an HP. I'm going to try that with my setup. I'm relieved that the age of the lamp doesn't seem to have made a big difference in ghosting. With the JVC at 1,200 hours on the lamp, 3D is unwatchable. I'm still very happy with the Epson 6010. Even at over 1,200 hours, it's still bright and performing very well with 3D content.

Joe,

My concerns are for 2D only as I unfortunately cant see 3D. Which JVC do you have? I currently have a RS40 and love the black level It produces but I also love a bright picture. I'm wondering if the 5010 would give me the brightness I desire while not sacrificing too much with black level. What do you think?

Thanks,
Mike
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post #2918 of 3271
8/2/12 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by nirvy111 View Post

And what glasses are those?
I have the Epson glasses that came with the projector and a pair of Panasonic Gen 3's, they both perform the same when it comes to crosstalk.

So what are the best glasses?
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post #2919 of 3271
8/2/12 at 5:45pm
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

Joe,
My concerns are for 2D only as I unfortunately cant see 3D. Which JVC do you have? I currently have a RS40 and love the black level It produces but I also love a bright picture. I'm wondering if the 5010 would give me the brightness I desire while not sacrificing too much with black level. What do you think?
Thanks,
Mike

I really hated to give up the black level of my RS40, but 3D on the Epson is so much better. The Epson's black level is good, and I was surprised at how well dark scenes come off, but it can't touch the JVC. If I didn't care about 3D, I wouldn't have made the trade. The JVC's contrast is remarkable. With a 110" HP screen, brightness was not an issue for me with either projector.
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post #2920 of 3271
8/2/12 at 6:23pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I really hated to give up the black level of my RS40, but 3D on the Epson is so much better. The Epson's black level is good, and I was surprised at how well dark scenes come off, but it can't touch the JVC. If I didn't care about 3D, I wouldn't have made the trade. The JVC's contrast is remarkable. With a 110" HP screen, brightness was not an issue for me with either projector.

Thanks Joe,

I use a 45" x 80" 2.4 HP pull down screen for 1.78/1.85 movies but i have a fixed wall 1.2 gain 41" x 96" 2.35 screen as well as I don't like black bars. I might need to either buy a 2.4 HP 2.35 fixed wall screen or just buy a 110" 1.78 2.4 HP screen and mask it for 2.35 material so I can get the brightness I need for 2.35 movies.

Mike
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post #2921 of 3271
8/2/12 at 11:40pm
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Originally Posted by mbw23air View Post

Joe,
My concerns are for 2D only as I unfortunately cant see 3D. Which JVC do you have? I currently have a RS40 and love the black level It produces but I also love a bright picture. I'm wondering if the 5010 would give me the brightness I desire while not sacrificing too much with black level. What do you think?
Thanks,
Mike
I think the JVC is brighter than the Epson in their respective best picture modes, the Epson is brighter in torch mode. Living room picture mode on the Epson is very bright but personally I wouldn't use it for movies because the colours look pretty off at times, might be o.k for sports and games though. If I was you I would stick with the JVC you have or upgrade to the RS45 if you have the cash.
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post #2922 of 3271
8/2/12 at 11:53pm
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

So what are the best glasses?

If you mean between the Epson and Pana Gen 3 glasses, then the Panny's are way more comfortable, very light hardly know you're wearing them but they do have smaller lenses so the frame is a bit more noticeable during viewing. Performance wise the Epson's are better because they seem to have a more neutral tint and are slightly brighter, the Panny has a bit of a green tint. Personally I prefer to use the Panny's because they're comfortable, I also prefer 2D over 3D but that's a different story.
Edited by nirvy111 - 8/19/12 at 1:19am
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post #2923 of 3271
8/3/12 at 8:03am
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The 5010's torch mode can be tamed to D65 @ 1400 lumens. The RS45 at best is ~900 lumens @ D65.

The Epson 5010 glasses are some of the best performing factory glasses i've demo'd in the mini-shootout. I find them quite comfortable even with prescription glasses.
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post #2924 of 3271
8/3/12 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

That's odd. You'd think angle wouldn't have much to do with ghosting, since you have an HP screen. The screen completely randomizes light polarization. A simple test would be to move around the projector to see if ghosting differs with the angle. Find a shot that ghosts a lot and freeze it, then position yourself above, below and to the sides. If ghosting changes, then the angle does matter, even with an HP. I'm going to try that with my setup. I'm relieved that the age of the lamp doesn't seem to have made a big difference in ghosting. With the JVC at 1,200 hours on the lamp, 3D is unwatchable. I'm still very happy with the Epson 6010. Even at over 1,200 hours, it's still bright and performing very well with 3D content.

I'll try moving the projector around. Maybe I'll put it back in its original location and watch some of Happy feet Two and then table mount it. I'm almost afraid to touch it since it is performing so well.
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post #2925 of 3271
8/4/12 at 9:06am
I bought the HW30 because I was in a hurry and couldn't wait for the RS45. AVS called about the RS45 two days after I opened the Sony. Immediate buyers regret, the RS45 would have made my deadline after all. But man, I love the HW30. The RS45 clearly handles some scenes in 2D better, but frankly, not a lot better. The HW30 is better house broken, avoids the JVC legacy bulb drama, and the 3D rocks. I was disdainful of 3D before I got it -- even had to buy a new bluray player to test it out. Amazing -- talk about immersive.

These are three fine projectors, each has its points, but after 8 months with the HW30 I can concur that the best all around goes to the Sony.

These comparisons would be unneeded if my wife would just let me have 3 projectors. But no! smile.gif
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post #2926 of 3271
8/17/12 at 9:44am
I'm not sure if this has been asked or not, and I do see that there have been some 5010 to W7000 comparisons, but I am looking to purchase either the W7000 or the 3010. My personal limit for this buy is $2000, hence the weird comparison. I was leaning towards the Epson, but I do like to game, and would like to get into 3d. So far the pros and cons are:

W7000
Pro:
Excellent 3D
Great Colors
Placement
Sharpness
Cons:
Contrast
Blacks
Warranty
Bulb Life

Epson:
Pro:
Blacks
Contrast
3d (for the most part)
Warranty
Cons:
Lag
placement

I know that the Epson 5010 is miles ahead in contrast and black levels, but how does the 3010 compare. I would assume that the w7000 would be comparable, and very much worth the extra $500 or so.

Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
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post #2927 of 3271
8/17/12 at 3:16pm
The 3010 has significantly worse ghosting than the 5010. That's a killer for 3D.
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post #2928 of 3271
8/17/12 at 3:29pm
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Originally Posted by TheGearbox View Post

I'm not sure if this has been asked or not, and I do see that there have been some 5010 to W7000 comparisons, but I am looking to purchase either the W7000 or the 3010. My personal limit for this buy is $2000, hence the weird comparison. I was leaning towards the Epson, but I do like to game, and would like to get into 3d. So far the pros and cons are:
W7000
Pro:
Excellent 3D
Great Colors
Placement
Sharpness
Cons:
Contrast
Blacks
Warranty
Bulb Life
Epson:
Pro:
Blacks
Contrast
3d (for the most part)
Warranty
Cons:
Lag
placement
I know that the Epson 5010 is miles ahead in contrast and black levels, but how does the 3010 compare. I would assume that the w7000 would be comparable, and very much worth the extra $500 or so.
Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

It would be nice if you could see a W7000 in person. The blacks and contrast are very good, not quite as good as the Epson but still better than most. And lag time is very low. I had the W7000 and I am an avid COD MW3 player online and I was very impressed with the motion and low lag levels.
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post #2929 of 3271
8/17/12 at 4:14pm
Benq w7000 or Optoma hd33 or Epson 5010 is where it's at for 3D IMO. The 5010 being more expensive leans most to the w7000, plus gaming is going to better on the Benq than the Epson because ghosting is easier to see in games even when it's not there in movies very often.
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post #2930 of 3271
8/18/12 at 3:04am
I've had both the 3010 and 6010 in my dark theatre room and the 6010 is much better, atleast in 2D anyway.
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post #2931 of 3271
8/18/12 at 8:44pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

The 5010's torch mode can be tamed to D65 @ 1400 lumens. The RS45 at best is ~900 lumens @ D65.
The Epson 5010 glasses are some of the best performing factory glasses i've demo'd in the mini-shootout. I find them quite comfortable even with prescription glasses.

How do you 'tame' it?
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post #2932 of 3271
8/20/12 at 6:55am
Thank you to everyone who replied. I have seen the Epson 3010 in person and very much liked it (new to the projector world), but it seems that everything I've been reading, that the Benq is probably the one for me. Unless someone has an idea on something else comparable at the $2000 mark, I'll probably go that route.

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post #2933 of 3271
8/20/12 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by TheGearbox View Post

Thank you to everyone who replied. I have seen the Epson 3010 in person and very much liked it (new to the projector world), but it seems that everything I've been reading, that the Benq is probably the one for me. Unless someone has an idea on something else comparable at the $2000 mark, I'll probably go that route.
Thanks

You might want to check out the Acer 9500 -- go over to the under $3000 section and check out the thread there.
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post #2934 of 3271
8/20/12 at 9:34am
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You might want to check out the Acer 9500 -- go over to the under $3000 section and check out the thread there.

I guess I have been scared away due to all the early issues, but they appear to have been fixed. Has anyone here compared this projector to the Benq? How does it stack up?

Thanks again
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post #2935 of 3271
8/20/12 at 2:35pm
Went to the W7000 from a Sony hw-10 do to the fact that I wanted 3D. But I must admit its good. Even tho the Sony has a lower in contrast by 10,000. It still rendered better blacks but not by much. The W7000 is a light cannon tho. I'm not too much on brightness do to the fact that my room is light controlled. Sill tho if the Sony was brighter it would win by a long shot. Haven't tried 3D yet waiting on glasses and the new Panny blue-ray player so that I don't have to change my Pioneer Elite receiver. The Panny has dual HDMI out puts, one for the Pioneer the other the Benq. Would have loved the Epson 5010 colors are amazing but I could see the crosstalk. Seams like 480hz is till not enough to get rid of it. But DLP at 10,000hz ,well as of yet no one has claimed being able to see crosstalk unless there having glasses sink issues.
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post #2936 of 3271
8/24/12 at 4:18pm
Well Sammy's Adventure 3D is out of stock for months
Now here seems an even better 189 minute 3D demo Blu-ray, but only from Amazon UK - $27 USD total shipped
No specification on region or frame rate

Product Description
Experience over 3 hours of exciting 3D productions from various genres with breathtaking effects as seen only in the movies. On Best of 3D you will encounter alligators, experience fast sports cars, walk through cities, plunge into the Coral Reef, get lost in stunning animations all in amazing 3D. In addition, you will experience the adrenaline rush of 3D extreme sports, dive with sharks in Thailand and see the award winning animated film Little Postman. Best of 3D has been developed and compiled to include the most exciting and thrilling productions from around the world and present them with stunning 3D technology on a Blu-Ray.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008CFGVU8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00
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post #2937 of 3271
8/26/12 at 5:09am
Hey Everyone,

I just got a JVC RS45 today to replace an Epson 5010. I was having a powering off issue where neither my Harmony 1100 or Epson remote would turn it off. The only way I could get it to turn off was by cutting off the power supply in the back. I installed the newest firmware and that didn't help. Epson sent me a brand new replacement unit and I figured if I was going to make a change now would be a good time since I got a brand new unit. Here are some initial impressions in comparison to the Epson for those people considering both. I haven't watched any 3D yet. I'm not a 3D guy. The JVC is awesome... I got it setup earlier today. Man its a tank. Built very well. The Epson was not built as solid. Its a big projector. Longer than the Epson. Picture quality I prefer on the JVC. Its a smoother, sharper image. The Epson had a great image but wasn't as smooth and the iris was a little noisy. The black levels are deeper and richer on the JVC although they were very nice on the Epson. I like the powered lens features on the JVC vs the Manual on the Epson. It was much easier to align the JVC with my screen. The Epson was harder due to the manual controls. The Epson is a great value for the money projector. The JVC is a true performer. I'm very happy I made the switch thus far. I've watched a couple movies so far. One that I already watched and it looks noticibly better. I'm also using a Darbee Darblet which is a nice unit as well. You should get one if you haven't already.
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post #2938 of 3271
8/26/12 at 5:50am
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Hey Everyone,
I just got a JVC RS45 today to replace an Epson 5010. I was having a powering off issue where neither my Harmony 1100 or Epson remote would turn it off. The only way I could get it to turn off was by cutting off the power supply in the back. I installed the newest firmware and that didn't help. Epson sent me a brand new replacement unit and I figured if I was going to make a change now would be a good time since I got a brand new unit. Here are some initial impressions in comparison to the Epson for those people considering both. I haven't watched any 3D yet. I'm not a 3D guy. The JVC is awesome... I got it setup earlier today. Man its a tank. Built very well. The Epson was not built as solid. Its a big projector. Longer than the Epson. Picture quality I prefer on the JVC. Its a smoother, sharper image. The Epson had a great image but wasn't as smooth and the iris was a little noisy. The black levels are deeper and richer on the JVC although they were very nice on the Epson. I like the powered lens features on the JVC vs the Manual on the Epson. It was much easier to align the JVC with my screen. The Epson was harder due to the manual controls. The Epson is a great value for the money projector. The JVC is a true performer. I'm very happy I made the switch thus far. I've watched a couple movies so far. One that I already watched and it looks noticibly better. I'm also using a Darbee Darblet which is a nice unit as well. You should get one if you haven't already.

These projectors cost the same. At least for me they did. Glad you enjoying it! I see another convert. I'm a hard core JVC fan now. Not much else out there I would consider personally. 3D isn't a major priority either.
A projector will have to be leaps and bounds better than my current unit's 2D in order to warrant me buying another projector. So far i haven't seen that one yet.
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post #2939 of 3271
8/26/12 at 6:31am
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These projectors cost the same. At least for me they did. Glad you enjoying it! I see another convert. I'm a hard core JVC fan now. Not much else out there I would consider personally. 3D isn't a major priority either.
A projector will have to be leaps and bounds better than my current unit's 2D in order to warrant me buying another projector. So far i haven't seen that one yet.

Yeah, I'm a big JVC fan now. I see you live in GA. I live in GA as well. I'm in the Alpharetta area. What part of GA are you in?
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8/26/12 at 7:37am
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun View Post

Well Sammy's Adventure 3D is out of stock for months
Now here seems an even better 189 minute 3D demo Blu-ray, but only from Amazon UK - $27 USD total shipped
No specification on region or frame rate
Product Description
Experience over 3 hours of exciting 3D productions from various genres with breathtaking effects as seen only in the movies. On Best of 3D you will encounter alligators, experience fast sports cars, walk through cities, plunge into the Coral Reef, get lost in stunning animations all in amazing 3D. In addition, you will experience the adrenaline rush of 3D extreme sports, dive with sharks in Thailand and see the award winning animated film Little Postman. Best of 3D has been developed and compiled to include the most exciting and thrilling productions from around the world and present them with stunning 3D technology on a Blu-Ray.http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B008CFGVU8/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00

Thanks for the heads up! Has anyone here seen this?
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